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Feric -> RE: Stress or depression = physical weakness? (2/18/2008 11:20:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CuriousLord Can depression and stress cause serious physical and mental fatigue? How does it feel to be depressed or stressed? Is it possible to be depressed and/or under panic attacks without consciously feeling it? As a side question, are there any other conditions (physical or otherwise) that can cause heavy fatigue in an otherwise syptom-free person? Yes, it can. Also, those who suffer from Clinical Depression or Manic Depression will spend long periods dozing or sleeping, or be unable to complete simple tasks because of lethargy. Another condition which can cause fatigue is CFS - Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Although this is not completely accepted, it is gaining some ground with the medical community.

servantheart -> RE: Stress or depression = physical weakness? (2/18/2008 11:30:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CuriousLord Can depression and stress cause serious physical and mental fatigue? Yes, definitely. Is it possible to be depressed and/or under panic attacks without consciously feeling it? If a panic attack is happening, the person experiencing it will not be able to ignore it. It feels like you're about to die. As a side question, are there any other conditions (physical or otherwise) that can cause heavy fatigue in an otherwise syptom-free person? There are other conditions that can cause heavy fatigue, but there are other symptoms as well.

Owner59 -> RE: Stress or depression = physical weakness? (2/18/2008 11:31:11 PM)
IMO,a good workout every other day will break the stress/ fatigue cycle. Regular exercise ,fresh food , 6-7 hours of ~regular sleep~ and sex is my Rx. Good luck.

Sanity -> RE: Stress or depression = physical weakness? (2/19/2008 7:21:49 AM)
I think what Alumbrado is trying to say with those brief rude comments is that there are different levels of depression, and that chronic, moderate to severe depression requires medical intervention while someone in the initial stages of light depression may be able to find their own way out of it. Depression is a self-feeding monster that will grow within a person if unchecked, and there are natural cures for the initial stages of depression. Do not stay in a darkened room by yourself abusing drugs and / or alcohol if you feel depression coming on. Put the poisons down and get some natural stimulation for the pleasure centers of your brain... including some of the things that several people here are recommending. quote: OK Stuart...

Alumbrado -> RE: Stress or depression = physical weakness? (2/19/2008 7:29:55 AM)
Anyone who advises that people should just 'get up off their duff' or 'find their way out of' depression and CFS, needs to be spoken to rudely, and told to quit pretending to medical knowledge they do not possess.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Stress or depression = physical weakness? (2/19/2008 7:50:45 AM)
When I looked at the OP I was wondering if this was some kind of rude joke thread....... Since it is not, YES! Welcome to my world!! Stoked to the gills on drugs, exhausted, overweight, disinterested, mysterious pains, the whole nine yards. It's a great place to be! Those that are in a short-term depression as a response to a trauma can phase out of it with the good advice of proper food, changing the environment (ie LEAVING THE HOUSE), interacting with other people face to face, and moving around. Drugs can make a big difference too, though they are such a crapshoot, I can't recommend them as a first option.

popeye1250 -> RE: Stress or depression = physical weakness? (2/19/2008 9:06:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I think what Alumbrado is trying to say with those brief rude comments is that there are different levels of depression, and that chronic, moderate to severe depression requires medical intervention while someone in the initial stages of light depression may be able to find their own way out of it. Depression is a self-feeding monster that will grow within a person if unchecked, and there are natural cures for the initial stages of depression. Do not stay in a darkened room by yourself abusing drugs and / or alcohol if you feel depression coming on. Put the poisons down and get some natural stimulation for the pleasure centers of your brain... including some of the things that several people here are recommending. quote: OK Stuart... Another thing that helps low grade depression besides taking a walk daily is getting about 1/2 hour of sunlight a day. I know that when I go outside and sit in the sun for a bit I feel a lot better.

TheHeretic -> RE: Stress or depression = physical weakness? (2/19/2008 7:36:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado Anyone who advises that people should just 'get up off their duff' or 'find their way out of' depression and CFS, needs to be spoken to rudely, and told to quit pretending to medical knowledge they do not possess. I'm quite familiar with severe depression, as well as CFS/CFIDS, Alum. I don't think thats what was being brought up by the OP. As far as I'm concerned, it's the ones who advise doctors (and presumably, meds) to someone dealing with early depression that need to be spoken to rudely. A good doctor would likely give exactly the prescription that has you beating your head against the wall, plus maybe a bit of blood work. A not-so-good doctor might very well prescribe the latest thing (not yet pulled for side-effects) and start cashing the checks from follow-up visits. He would do this by playing with the least understood, and most critical organ in the body. Q: What did the coroner say to the cop at the scene of a murder-suicide? A: Find the Prozac yet? That's the worst case (unless the recent shooting counts), I grant. No matter how well we may come to understand the chemical/electrical systems of our brain, it's output is also governed by a lifetime of individual experience. Have we got a model for how that plays in? We are learning, we can achieve positive results, the potential benefits may often outweigh the risks. If you have somebody suicidal enough to go at his wrists with a cheese grater, then by God, starting working on those serotonin uptake inhibitors. Giving these drugs to somebody with "the blahhs" is fucking criminal. Curious: I enjoy reading your posts. I've pulled all-nighters and all-weekers. I've held a "sleep on Sunday" schedule. Sometimes it is as much about challenging yourself as it is about being a pragmatic choice. Like alcohol, cumulative sleep deprivation can impair judgement. It changes the chemical balances in your brain, and can seriously throw things out of whack. Take it far enough and one thing will happen. Your body and brain will say "fuck you." After 9 weeks of sleeping only in catnaps and for 18-20 on Sunday, I had a full physical collapse. It took me as long to recover as it did to get there. I guarantee my brain chemistry was deeply unbalanced. In that time, I was easily considered insane. Mood swings, delusions, deep depression. Probably the only reason I didn't wind up being hauled off somewhere is because I slept 18 hours a day. You've proved you can run hard. Tell you what, keep the lousy diet, but find a fun way to break a sweat a few times a week, and lay down a mandated average of six hours sleep, six nights a week. You can still push the edge during finals, and pull an adrenaline induced all-nighter on a key paper. Yes, there are drugs that can address problems with the brain's ability to regulate chemistry. At this point, there is no reason to believe that there is anything wrong with yours, other than you've been abusing it.

girlygurl -> RE: Stress or depression = physical weakness? (2/19/2008 7:47:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado Anyone who advises that people should just 'get up off their duff' or 'find their way out of' depression and CFS, needs to be spoken to rudely, and told to quit pretending to medical knowledge they do not possess. This comment in my opinion deserves an AMEN!!!!! Well said Alumbrado, and thank you! girly

TheBanshee -> RE: Stress or depression = physical weakness? (2/19/2008 7:54:19 PM)
yes it can - but make sure it isn't something else first. Thyroid problems can cause those symptoms as an example. Get a physical - JMHO but depression meds are overprescribed. If you need them, use them, but make sure the doctor doesn't just prescribe them without really reviewing what the problems are.

Mystique567 -> RE: Stress or depression = physical weakness? (2/19/2008 7:56:09 PM)
I worked out daily, slept well, ate well, meditated and tanned. I still had depression and panic attacks. These things are not a cure-all for depression and sometimes you need the guidance of a professional and the right medication to help you get back to where you were.

Alumbrado -> RE: Stress or depression = physical weakness? (2/19/2008 8:04:42 PM)
If Heretic, Popeye, Sanity, or anyone else had the proven ability to diagnose complex medical conditions over the internet, the JREF would be a million dollars poorer. Depression meds are in fact less then 100% effective, and have their share of problems... And once properly diagnosed, there are non-pharmaceutical regimens worth looking into (as in the recommendation made here about E-B). But none of those have anything to do with advising someone one not to go to the doctor to find out what might be causing symptoms until they get to the point of suicide attempts. That is simply promoting ignorance in order to puff up one's own ego.

TheHeretic -> RE: Stress or depression = physical weakness? (2/19/2008 8:38:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado If Heretic, Popeye, Sanity, or anyone else had the proven ability to diagnose complex medical conditions over the internet, the JREF would be a million dollars poorer. And if the internet weren't so full of people insisting a simple cause and effect has to be treated like a complex medical condition, the forums would be a lot less interesting. For some, a diagnosis becomes an excuse to spiral into worthless victimhood. Start simple.

TheBanshee -> RE: Stress or depression = physical weakness? (2/20/2008 4:47:32 PM)
Alumbrado - It says your reply was in response to my reply - I NEVER ever said not to see a doctor - I said get a physical!! My only point was not to assume it was depression until he had a full examination - by a doctor and rule out other possible causes. I don't think anyone else was suggesting that either.

camille65 -> RE: Stress or depression = physical weakness? (2/20/2008 4:54:20 PM)
caution, lengthy entry ahead lol quote:* ORIGINAL: CuriousLord Can depression and stress cause serious physical and mental fatigue? How does it feel to be depressed or stressed? Is it possible to be depressed and/or under panic attacks without consciously feeling it? As a side question, are there any other conditions (physical or otherwise) that can cause heavy fatigue in an otherwise syptom-free person? How does it feel.. this is my typical morning. Chronic pain causes depression which causes chronic pain which causes depression. I'm debating whether or not to post this, it is really personal. It is an unsent letter to my Mother. Okies I'm posting it, who knows maybe someone who needs to know they aren't alone will read it. Sometimes before I'm awake I think I'm going to awaken then get ready for work. Then I really do wake up. I lay with my eyes shut and do an inventory. I concentrate on each section of my body and gauge the pain level. Is it my hips today? My shoulders? Maybe my legs or just that total ache? I shift my legs and move my arms. I open my eyes and slide my legs towards the edge of the bed. Sometimes it takes awhile to get to that spot, usually Mickey moves to my back or side. Most days I slither off the bed until my feet touch the floor then I roll a bit on my side and pull myself up using Mickey. Then I sit on the edge of the bed, if I get up too fast I tend to go very wobbly and lurchy because my legs won't hold me up and I get disoriented. It takes four steps to my dresser, first handhold. One more step to the doorway, hold onto the door jamb. The wall leads me three steps to the bathroom then another five steps to the toilet. Hopefully Mickey is not doing her 'I have to go outside and pee' wiggle dance, if she isn't I use her to get up and back to the bathroom doorjamb. The stairs are hell. Crabwalk very slowly. It hurts hurts, my balance is off and if I look down I get dizzy. It is six steps to the front door and I'm beginning to move a bit easier. Mickey gets let out and Barney winds around my feet in her plea for food, starving kitty who forgot I got out of bed twice in the night to feed her. Bending for her bowl. Give up and get a new one, feed her. Get to the coffee pot and hit the button. Using furniture and walls I go back to the front door for Mickey. Sit on the floor and dry the snow off of her. Sit there while I hear the last gurgle of the coffee pot then command 'Stand' so Mickey knows I need her to stand steady for me. Once up, back to the kitchen for Mickeys treat and my coffee. Back upstairs. Sit on the edge of my bed, place the coffee on my nightstand then lay back down for a moment. Then I roll onto my side if my hip doesn't hurt too much. If it hurts too much that first cup of coffee gets cold. If it is okay to roll over I take a sip then use my laptop to check the weather. The cold itself exhausts me, hurts me. But by now I'm a bit sweaty from going downstairs and shivery from the air. Too hot but too cold all at once. As I check my email I do leg lifts on my right leg because I'm laying on my left side. Some days that leg doesn't go very high, other days it is normalish. By now either my coffee is cold (YUCK) or it needs a refill. So it begins again, that slow painful moving off the bed, not nearly as labor intensive as the first getting up but still there. Still my main thoughts as I move and get more coffee, usually letting Mickey out again then drying her off again et al. By now it has been about an hour since I got up out of bed and I'm tired. Sometimes I hug Mickey and cry into her fur but that makes her upset so I try not to. Sometimes I get angry. Sometimes depressed. Demon kitty hops onto the bed and lays across my leg so I coax her to my hip. She makes a marvelous heating pad. If I'm laying on my side I do my email to send out. Those are the bad mornings. The good mornings I get to skip the step of lurching and grabbing furniture, door jambs, the dog on the trip to the bathroom then downstairs. It still hurts, I still crabwalk the stairs but it is not all consuming. I get to have the good days three mornings a week.

DesFIP -> RE: Stress or depression = physical weakness? (2/20/2008 5:03:02 PM)
I don't think you can have a panic attack without knowing something is wrong even if you can't define it. But physical illness cause depression and depression causes physical illness. We think of the body/brain barrier as the Berlin wall. It isn't, there's traffic going back and forth all the time. Speaking of Epstein-Barr, that one mimics depression. So does toxoplasmosis, low thyroid and a host of other illnesses. Get thee to a doctor for a complete checkup before you decide to go visit your local shrink.

laurell3 -> RE: Stress or depression = physical weakness? (2/20/2008 5:07:31 PM)
Yeah CL the two can be interchangable. However, things as simple as very cheap low level thyroid medication could possibly (if that was the issue) abate both symptoms. It's always a good idea to get a complete workup before assuming depression is the culprit. Depression causes illness, illness causes depression...chicken, egg...and as you can see from the well-meaning responses no two eggs are the same. It is never as simple as taking vitamins in my opinion, however and doing so without checking with a physician and getting tested is playing with fire.

summerblossom -> RE: Stress or depression = physical weakness? (2/20/2008 5:11:00 PM)
I have dealt with serious depression my entire life starting from a very young age. It can, and does cause physical and mental fatigue. I have that all the time. I'm not stupid but sometimes I forget things that I shouldn't forget and I'm still only 25. It's because my mind wanders alot. I am also tired all of the time. And it is possible to have panic attacks and be depressed without realizing it. There might be many reasons for this including or not... 1- If you have not experienced these emotions before and are not used to them you might not recognize these feelings as valid and might unconsciously push them away. 2- Or if you are one of those people that likes to ignore or push away bad feelings or emotions than you might not recognize when having a panic attack or depression episode. (I'm not saying you are) Depression is very draining mentally and physically and can have many many side affects including... 1- Insomnia or sleeping too much. 2- Weight gain or weight loss. 3- Difficulty concentrating or remembering things. 4- Fatigue, tiredness, being lethargic. 5- Loosing interest in certain activities that you once loved. 6- Noticing that more things iritate you than usual. I hope this helps. I have more information if you need it.

dcnovice -> RE: Stress or depression = physical weakness? (2/20/2008 5:23:09 PM)
Mental Health America's Signs of Depression Checklist might be worth a look.

DesFIP -> RE: Stress or depression = physical weakness? (2/20/2008 5:27:12 PM)
Plus there's depression and then there's depression. If it only hits in the winter, then it's Seasonal Affectiveness Disorder and a $200 light machine used properly first thing every morning is the only solution you need, good for year after year with the occasional new bulb. But if you're being the typical college student, eating badly and sleeping worse, then following your grandmother's advice of getting some fresh air, having a solid healthy breakfast, and getting 8 every night can do wonders. Put a sign on your door saying you're ill and not to be disturbed if your friends think nothing of waking you up at all hours. Do this for a week and see if you feel better. Do the AA thing. H.A.L.T. - meaning hungry, angry lonely, tired. Figure out which of those it is and fix it. Wayne Gretsky went from the Juniors into the NHL at age 17, having the time of his life he indulged in cheeseburgers and soda for three months. Then he wound up in the hospital and learned that his mother nagging him to drink his milk and eat his vegetables was right all along. If it's only been for a short while, you could be coming down with something but no symptoms yet. I've never felt like I was dying when I had a panic attack. Just knew I had to get out of there.

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