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Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 2/19/2008 12:14:40 AM   
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For some reason, an (for lack of a better word) endearment that has always pressed my button the wrong way has been "Sir."  Even when it's a Dom I like and respect, it's hard for me to call them Sir, even when they're my Dom.  But then I met this Dom and although we've been talking platonically for a while now (and may continue to do so as He is not in my area) and as my feelings develop more to the romantic, I've found myself more and more willing to call Him that, if he were to be my Dom at some point.  I'll add that Sir is the endearment He perfers. 

So, I was wondering if anything similar had ever happened to anyone else.  Have you ever objected to calling a Dom/me a certain name/endearment for whatever reason but then met someone who you would be comfortable calling that name or it just seems to fit?
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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 2/19/2008 1:19:52 AM   
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I really dont understand what the problem wuld be with it? Unless you have always had a rebellious streak and dont like authoritiy figures. It is a term of respect used to approach starngers with respect, or your elders or in the military. A yes sir or yes maam is quite common and a term most have no problem with. I could see a struggle with the term Master, but Sir is used in a much gentler way. Just my POV.

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 2/19/2008 2:19:22 AM   
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Here in the south every male who is a stranger or a person of authority is called "sir" and is just a part of everyday language.  Because of this i've been very confused by the honorific because i've had plenty of Doms get almost mad at me for saying "Sir" because they are not my Dominant.  Sort of your problem in reverse.

i think it's rather common for certain terms of endearment to feel natural toward a specific person.  Not every female is 'pumpkin' but my daughter is and will always be 'pumpkin' to me.  my Master is 'Master' and it flows easily for me.  If He told me He prefered to be called 'Cupcake'  i would most likely start finding a good doctor for Him as the term would be totally out of character and perhaps symptom of a serious disorder.



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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 2/19/2008 2:37:20 AM   
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I get my share of mail from fem/subs and occasionally one will address me as 'Sir' from the get go....  Now I don't particularly appreciate that level of familiarity from a sub who is not my sub but I do realise it's done with the best of intentions and respect etc, so no big deal.
 
My girl takes her cues from me.  Anytime I call her 'girl', I'm 'Sir' in return - or else.  In public I'll use her name and that's what I expect back.  Anytime we're alone and I'm not actively taking charge of her, she may use her own discretion - either name or honourific are fine.  I mostly prefer to be called 'Sir' but only by MY girl - she's earned the right; strangers haven't!  The fact is, within a personal D/s relationship, 'Sir' is my title when she's under instruction and it's also a term of endearment when she's not.
 
So I say to the OP, what you're feeling is quite normal relative to the subs I've had in my life - it was hard at first for them but got ridiculously easy once we were a couple.
 
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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 2/19/2008 3:31:55 AM   
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In all seriousness, names are irrevelant. Dom or Sir.....what is important is what one feels, and what one wants to convey. I had to have a nick so I choice mine, but it does not represent me nor my interests. So again, you are right.

What do you like to be called?

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 2/19/2008 5:17:44 AM   
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Being from the south, I was raised to be polite.  The only ways I'll ever call a man "Sir" is if he is older, as a sign of respect, or if the person has provided me a service or gift.  I do not refer to male doms as sir and I never will.  I'm just not wired that way.  I will call any woman "Ma'am", no matter if she is domme or submissive.  I've always been taught to be respectful to women.  I remember geting a strange look by a nineteen year old girl at Wal-Mart for holding the door open for her.  She told me, "Thank you", for holding the door open, so I responded, "You're welcome, ma'am."  It's just a natural reaction, but she looked at me like I had a third eye.  LOL  Oh well, I guess not everyone appreciates a polite gentleman anymore.

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 2/19/2008 5:23:29 AM   
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i don't like to greet dominants as "Master" ...it makes me gag however i don't have any problems calling mine Daddy or Sir (if He so desires that i do)

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 2/19/2008 5:36:13 AM   
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quote:

it's hard for me to call them Sir, even when they're my Dom. [/quote

.sweet,

Well to Sir or not to Sir; that is the question!

Your in a lifestyle when the normal is not normal when compared to the vamilla world. If your a submissive then it is normal and proper to use the term.

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 2/19/2008 5:36:34 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: rubberpet

.  I remember geting a strange look by a nineteen year old girl at Wal-Mart for holding the door open for her.  She told me, "Thank you", for holding the door open, so I responded, "You're welcome, ma'am."  It's just a natural reaction, but she looked at me like I had a third eye.  LOL  Oh well, I guess not everyone appreciates a polite gentleman anymore.


That's cause you called her Ma'am instead of "Miss"...the young ones think "Ma'am" sounds OLD

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 2/19/2008 5:41:12 AM   
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I'll call Master whatever he prefers...Master, Sir, or Grand Master of the Entire Universe-All Knowing One, if he asked me to!
Seriously, I am in the group of Southern girls who uses Ma'am and Sir quite naturally, so it's not a stretch to call him that. I feel more odd saying "Daddy", but there are moments when it might feel more appropriate. If he's the right one, you won't have any trouble saying whatever he wants you to say, and be happy to do it.

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 2/19/2008 5:49:45 AM   
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If i was to call every dominant i met Sir or Ma'am then to me it would loose meaning in the Ds sense... there are some domainants i really dont like nor get along with so to address them as Sir would make the title mean very little when I adressed those I do like and respect as Sir... just my opinion

As for the use of Sir or Ma'am in general, its not common place in the UK to use those titles unlike the USA.. its a shame as as I find it polite and well mannered...

When i first met my Master I used his name, then when it felt right i progressed to Sir and when He collared me it seemed only natural to call Him Master..... however..... He also likes the title Daddy when its appropriate and that was one i had real trouble with and to this day can only manage it in private never in chat or around others.........

i think everyone has words they struggle with for whatever reason.... mine is and has always been cu*t (see, cant even type it lol) Master can call me what he wants but when he first called me that i kicked up such a fuss i hated it....

just my opinion, right or wrong... its mine lol


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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 2/19/2008 6:46:41 AM   
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I totally get how the OP feels, I sometimes feel silly saying Sir, the only time i used it in rela life was in referance to teachers. I could never call any Dominant Sir i feel it requires a bit more substance. Sir to me is liek the saying you belong to that person and then saying it takes on a new meaning. Its admiting your feelings for them and to me is as potent as saying i love you. the first time i refered to my Dom as Sir my whole body tingled, I know its jsut words but words hold power. I find that the more you trust and respect someone the easier it becomes to use the term and the more you get from saying it. The fact that saying Sir empowers him and makes him happy which is my ultimate goal in turns makes me glow :D

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 2/19/2008 8:21:51 AM   
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i'm on a reverse side, i'm not one to refer to anyone as mistress, and it's even uncommon for me to say ma'am.  it feels out of place for me, and i've never been reliant on titles to insinuate respect.  i've also never cared for the little C/capital letters game of the internet.  it means nothing to me, i don't care that others do it, i simply don't share in their necessity of it, or reasons for doing it.  to me it's completely arbitrary and like saying to someone in person "good morning capital em mr. capital eee edgeworth".  just "mr. edgeworth" should be more than sufficient in any means of courtesy or respect.  but in titles altogether, saying yes, "Mistress Alexia of the Wolf and Stars that shine over our lives" (over exaggeration much? lol) seems just as odd to me as being referred to as "slave andrew" or something, the name is enough.  everyone has a name, and i like to stick with those, the name has more definition and importance than a "label", and i hate putting labels on things. 

whether or not i talk to people on equal level, i still talk to people on a personal level, and find titles and labels dissassociating, and highly unecessary.  for the most part though, i don't often refer to people in the first place.  for instance, if i need someone's attention, i call their name if i know it, otherwise i gesture to them and say excuse me, or in often cases, my direction to them is obvious enough to not need to do anything other than speak.  if i need to talk to josh, and josh is talking to sarah, i will probably say "hey josh".  i might also walk up to a woman and say "excuse me ma'am", but i'm not going to put the word ma'am or the name josh or the title mistress at the end of every sentence or reply.

say i did have a mistress, and say she asked/told me to turn the heater up, some people like these games and would respond "yes Mistress, i do all my Mistress requires", i'm more prone to say nothing at all, or simply nod, or if i do say something, to say "mm'hmm", or "sure, be right back.  would you like me to grab a comforter for you too?".  i would retain my natural intelligence in dialogue and conversation, even if at the time of her asking it i was being used as a an ottoman, or in the middle of a discussion during dinner.

normally i just tend to use titles in condescending sarcasm.  like when i worked at wal-mart during high school, i might be asked why the hell i was mixing paint for someone instead of doing my other tasks like driving the forklift, i would probably say "because someone needed paint mixed, and since no one's in hardware they came to me, and customer satisfaction is still priority #1... right?  mr. senior executive marketing manager of customer service?"  some might see that as me having a problem with authority, i rather saw the customers being the authority.  the customers are the mistress, the store is just the leash.  i sure know i called customers "sir" and "ma'am" much more than i did any of my "superiors".  the workplace is like a poly household; and with wal-mart you had a lot of masters to please, and did so along side a handful of other servants, who just so happened to be clad in a quite snazzy blue vest in place of a collar.

another reason i'm reluctant to call someone my "mistress", is the other meaning of the word that i have known for far longer, that of course being "a woman who is having sexual relations to a man other than her husband".  in the vanilla world, you tell john that heather is someone's mistress, most likely he's going to assume he/she is cheating on their spouse.  but if you tell john that heather is a dominatrix, he'll better understand what you're talking about, even if he does look at the both of you a little weird from then on.  why does john need to know anyway?  but that's not to suggest i'd use that term either or say "yes, my dominatrix" when asked of something.  but simply, if i called someone my mistress, even if it wasn't what i'd implied, i'd feel like i'd be telling someone, and i'd expect them to assume "this is just some girl i'm secretly screwing".  if someone were to ask me "what is laura to you?" (aside from a figment of my imagination) i will tell them what laura means to me, not put a label on her or us (such as delusional).  i could feel comfortable in saying in a more openly defined sense, she is my dominant, leaving many ways to interpret but overall understanding of her importance to me, but assuming their likely response will be a shit eating grin followed by "oooohohoo, i get what you're saying bro, i like em fiesty too"... i'd probably just stick to saying "she is what matters most to me", and let them think what they will.

more to the point though, if my dear laura, who i would do any number of things to please, wanted me to call and refer to her as "mistress", i would be very well inclined to start doing so.  i might not feel comfortable at first, i might feel extremely silly each time i say it, but i seek the means to make my dearest figment of imagination we know as laura happy and content.  if she wanted, i would call her bob, i would end every sentence with and answer every question as "yes, bob", i would capitalize Bob on the internet while being respectful to lower-case bobs, and i would tell our waiter that "my Mistress Bob would like another glass of zinfindel, so lets not keep Bob waiting shall we".  i'd introduce her to my co-workers as mistress if she wanted, or wear a collar with my suit each day, if she even simply found it to be cute or the slightest bit desirable.

basically, if it was requested that i refer to laura as mistress, i'm sure i would.  but just in doing that, it wouldn't mean that although i now refer to her as mistress, i would find the need to without end constantly refer to her and respond to every sentence with "yes mistress", "i live only for you mistress", "i have the personality and the thought process of a playskool robot which causes boredom even in the 3 year olds they are designed for, mistress". 

until such a case exists that my mannerisms are not seen as the most pleasant to someone i desire to please in the first place, i will and must remain the yet unmolded version of "me", and not be of the predefined.

it's just like talking dirty.  some people have a hard time doing it, some do it quite naturally, some are comfortable with it when it comes to certain people, but anyone holds the capability of becoming comfortable with it and used to doing it, if they give it enough time.  and if you can get to a point you're able to say it and make it sound natural, it will feel natural to say.

but the actual question you ask though?  i just feel more comfortable around some people than i would others, and that basically covers everything.  with people i feel less comfortable with, i feel unease and only comfortable with certain things.  such as like those people you know you can just run up to and hug the hell out of, and those that would just prefer to shake your hand if they're going to touch you at all.


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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 2/19/2008 8:56:10 AM   
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Now that hopelessly is done mabey I can get a word in. Set your protocol at the start of a relationship.

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 2/19/2008 8:56:56 AM   
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My problem with 99% of titles and such is that they sound stupid.  Especially when you feel like you're supposed to say them or you're forced to say them before you feel any kind of loyalty to the person behind them.  My Owner doesn't have a title, besides when I refer to her as my Owner on here to avoid actually saying her name.  If I had to call her a title from day one, I just don't think it'd be very effective nor would I have any reverence for it.  Growing to the point where I wanted to have some title of reverence certainly helped...  Now, even though 90% of the time I just use her name...  I will either call Maam or Mommy when I'm in a particular mood.

I think the reason I want to say it when I mean it is because I live in the South...  Everybody who happens to be a stranger is Maam or Sir.  It comes out so often that you have no idea.  Sure, it's polite, but there's really nothing very special about it.  Well, I didn't think there could be.

However, calling my Owner Maam is -entirely- different and is certainly very special, I've found out.

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 2/19/2008 9:05:09 AM   
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Doesn't come easily to me either. Unless I've been pushed into the corner of twue submission and I'm floating in my bound fweedom, I find it hard to even utter the word for a laugh.

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 2/19/2008 9:09:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Shawn1066

My problem with 99% of titles and such is that they sound stupid.  Especially when you feel like you're supposed to say them or you're forced to say them..

From what I understand, this is sometimes WHY a dominant will have a submissive use them - BECAUSE it sounds stupid, forced, unnatural, embarrassing, etc.

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 2/19/2008 9:39:25 AM   
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for me it's just preference, i'm so comfortable with Him that i'll call Him whatever He's in the mood for and if He doesn't specify i'll call Him whatever feels right to me at that time.....depends on how yummy or painful the moments is  (sighs....)

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 2/19/2008 10:35:19 AM   
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Absolutely- with my first owner.  The problem was much more that he changed tactics.  He said he wanted me to say it when I felt it and meant it...then he'd get pissed when I didn't say it and order me to start using it.  So I did and it became habit. 

It's the whole experience of being in new relationships- finding things that work here that never worked anywhere else, finding you surprising yourself :)  It's good.

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 2/19/2008 11:36:42 AM   
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well you sure wouldn't call Him "Maam"!
 


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