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RE: Slave for sale? - 7/14/2004 10:28:55 AM   
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and fed lo-carb cheesecake
while chained to the eyebolts in the kitchen, she might have to paint it.


would painting the low carb cheesecake make it more palatable???

(please realize this is entirely in jest - I have yet to meet a cheesecake that I dont like - but then again I am of Welsh descent and so love cheese)

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RE: Slave for sale? - 7/14/2004 10:55:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey!! How did you know about the eye-bolts in the kitchen? Have you been to my house?

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RE: Slave for sale? - 7/14/2004 3:54:51 PM   
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She wants to be with me, ravaged constantly, beaten silly, and fed lo-carb cheesecake
while chained to the eyebolts in the kitchen, she might have to paint it.


Sounds good to me

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RE: Slave for sale? - 7/14/2004 4:02:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
She wants to be with me, ravaged constantly, beaten silly, and fed lo-carb cheesecake
while chained to the eyebolts in the kitchen, she might have to paint it.


Paint it before or after?

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RE: Slave for sale? - 7/14/2004 4:38:03 PM   
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Paint it before or after?


If she starts painting it before, I would have to take a shower with her to clean her up for the other stuff, which would probably make me randy and do her while I played with the water temperature controls. (ravage, water on her, hot cold hot cold cold hot cold...)

If I wait until after, I might be too randy to want to waste our time together watching her paint and insist we go take a shower instead.

Decisions, decisions.

Split the difference, Half before, half after.

*makes a mental note to have a piece of cheese cake painted for Thanatosian when he visits*

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RE: Slave for sale? - 7/15/2004 6:43:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		i wanted to thank you for this post i learned more in the few minutes of reading this than all the sites i've read...and the Gorean's i've spoken with. not saying anything bad about them, just mean i could understand what you were saying and how you were saying it.

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RE: Slave for sale? - 7/15/2004 7:11:56 PM   
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I'm taking you up on your gracious offer to answer questions about Goreans. I hope they aren't too silly.

How many Goreans have you personally met? How did you find each other? Do you have Gorean-specific get-togethers (parties)? How many people show up if you do? What are the parties like?

How does a non-Gorean tell the difference between a RL Gorean and an online Gorean--especially on the internet? (Sheesh, that romantic art I like may have been created by online Goreans!)

If you were out on the street in some strange city, would you be able to recognize a fellow Gorean you'd never met before?

Thank you!

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RE: Slave for sale? - 7/15/2004 7:34:40 PM   
Leonidas


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Status: offline 		Hi January,

Happy to oblige.

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How many Goreans have you personally met? How did you find each other? Do you have Gorean-specific get-togethers (parties)? How many people show up if you do? What are the parties like?


It's dozens over the years, maybe as many as a hundred, but certainly not hundreds. My first introduction to Goreans was through a girl friend. I had no prior D/s exposure to that. There were roughly two dozen men and women in that group. There was a time when I hosted Gorean get togethers at my house, 10 free people, as many or more slaves was typical. The parties were not play parties by any means. They were relatively quiet gatherings. Cook-outs by the pool. Slaves playing naked volleyball in the pool sometimes. (good old days). Goreans often have camp-out type get togethers. They draw a similar number of people, sometimes more. Again, they are quiet by D/s standards. Gorean men tend to be physical, so there are often contests of strenth and such at these. Some groups of Goreans are basically motorcycle gangs. I hang with them once in a while, but I'm not a hard-core biker, so I'm really on the fringe of those.

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How does a non-Gorean tell the difference between a RL Gorean and an online Gorean--especially on the internet? (Sheesh, that romantic art I like may have been created by online Goreans!)


You can tell an online Gorean for a couple of reasons. One, they are just there for the slaves. Hardly ever say a word to another man. Gorean men appreciate the company of other Gorean men. Our value system is different, and so its a little like being in a foreign country sometimes. If you see a man ignoring the other men and focused exclusively on the slaves, you are looking at an online Gorean. The second reason that I can tell is that they simply don't understand our values. They treat their slaves like submissive girlfriends, and kowtow to their whims. They mince words (you've probably noticed that I don't). They don't talk about what they do (pride in one's profession is a key Gorean trait). Again, they're just there for the slaves. The art is an attempt to capture the culture. Our "cinderella" stories involve the struggles and ultimate submission of slave girls. Our dances and songs reflect the same. Female slavery to us is the highest expression of romance.

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If you were out on the street in some strange city, would you be able to recognize a fellow Gorean you'd never met before?


Can I tell another Gorean walking down the street? Not really. I can tell a man who could be though. We have a saying: Be strong and do as you will, the swords of others will set you your limits. You can see it in the way a man addresses himself to the day. The way that he stands in front of you and shakes your hand. You can tell, without even a word, that to insult this man would be to invite a fight. You have yourself seen men that have that kind of character. They may not be Gorean men, but they could be.

Hope this helps

Take care of yourself

Leonidas

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RE: Slave for sale? - 7/15/2004 8:32:20 PM   
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How does a non-Gorean tell the difference between a RL Gorean and an online Gorean--especially on the internet?


not to step on Leonidas Sirs toes as he knows more about Gor than i, but from a sub/slaves point of view...the way i tell is in how they treat me. those that i've come across that only "play" Gor usually can not handle that i'm opinionate, while still respectful...those that i've known that believe in the philosophys and try to live it...seem to respect me more. to listen to things i have to say, while perhaps not agreeing with them. they respect me as a person. they don't try to hurry up and slap a ko'lar around my neck thinking that will shut me up lol

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RE: Slave for sale? - 7/16/2004 5:41:45 AM   
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RE: Slave for sale? - 7/16/2004 6:05:27 AM   
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Food for thought... if 90% of the people online prefer the fantasy of Gor to the reality... and online is a relatively accurate representation of the real world population...


While I love the viewpoints listed in this thread on the Gorean lifestyle, which I dont practice but find intriguing, I did have an issue with this sentence.

Only a percentage of the real world population is represented by the people on-line. This would be the percentage of people a) with access to a computer and b) literate.

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RE: Slave for sale? - 7/16/2004 6:08:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		The "play" Goreans as you call them are just out of their depth if you don't follow the script. What makes it easy for a beginner to play a role in a role-play game is that there is a script, and a set of rules. When I say this, you are supposed to do that. If I do this, you are supposed to respond this way. Needless to say, real people don't generally behave according to a script like that. When you don't, the role-play Gorean doesn't know what to do next.

When and if you run across a Gorean man, he knows full well that he's not talking to a Gorean girl from about the second thing that you say. The fact that you are there just indicates that you are curious, and he'll treat you accordingly. He won't expect that you comport yourself as a Gorean slave unless you claim to be one. In other words, he won't insist that you be anything, he'll just be what he is.

Take care of yourself.

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RE: Slave for sale? - 7/16/2004 6:20:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Sinergy,

Yes, the folks that come on line do have in common that they have computers, and know how to read. What I was explaining earlier is that large numbers (probalby even the majority) of the "Goreans" that you will find online (as opposed to Goreans in general) are playing a role-play game. Goreans in general tend to be tight-knit, and exclusive, whereas these online venues are come one, come all, and pretty much anything goes as long as you use the right greeting and follow the script.

I missed the most obvious answer to Januiary's question about how to tell an online Gorean. In many cases, all you have to do is ask. Many of them will tell you that they are online only. If you go into a "Gorean" chatroom, just ask. Do you folks know each other offline? Do you ever meet? Usually the answer will be no.

Take care of yourself

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RE: Slave for sale? - 7/20/2004 2:00:31 AM   
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Poor men in north africa routinely sell off daughters because they can't afford to feed them, and the thinking is that they will be better off in the house of a well off owner than starving at home.


fyi
rich men in the USA sell off their kids as well just because they dont want them, into much the same
unconcensual slavery and even ship them over seas. and poor men in the USA sell off their kids for the cash to support a drug habit. At least the african man took his actions out of care.
Its always easy to talk about what sumone does far away but most donnot want to open their own back
doors and see whats in front of them.
nonconcensual slavery is so rampad in the USA right now that the president feels that he has to address this issue on a political forum and its a hot topic. Better watch out We just might all be pushed back into the closets when the Official BDSM wipeout task force is formed.
Voltare, why do You laugh at the way others choose *concensually* with in the Alternate Lifestyle to live? A concensual slave chooses to give up their being to their Owner and The Owner chooses to sell Their posession. If the act is concensual between adults there is nothing wrong in it that I can see if it hurts no one and follows Ones desires and pursuit of happiness.. Its when its done nonconcensually that its not right. One does not need to be Gorean to be a part of a M/s slaves sale. We all are quite aware that everything that We do in Alternate Lifestyles breaks a law sum where and anyone here whom professes to have not broke one at sum time in thier Life I can probably debate that to a sucessfull end. LOL
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In Durango, it is illegal to go out in public dressed in clothing "unbecoming" one's sex. In Logan County, it is illegal for a man to kiss a woman while she is asleep.In Hartford, it is illegal for a man to kiss his wife on Sunday.The only acceptable sexual position in Washington D.C. is the missionary-style position. Any other sexual position is considered illegal.In Miami, it is illegal for a man to wear any kind of strapless gown. According to Illinois state law, it is illegal to speak English. The officially recognized language is "American. A state law in Illinois mandates that all bachelors should be called master, not mister, when addressed by their female counterparts.A Michigan state law stipulates that a woman's hair legally belongs to her husband. It is still legal to kill one's "servant."in Mississippi. In Nevada, sex without a condom is considered illegal.Clinton,Oklahoma has a law against masturbating while watching two people having sex in a car. The entire Encyclopedia Britannica is banned in Texas because it contains a formula for making beer at home. In Utah A husband is responsible for every criminal act committed by his wife while she is in his presence. Utah state legislation outlaws all sex with anyone but your spouse. Next to that adultery, oral and anal sex, and masturbation are considered sodomy and can lead to imprisonment. Sex with an animal - unless performed for profit - however is NOT considered sodomy. Polygamy - provided only the missionary position has been applied - is only a misdemeanor]

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RE: Slave for sale? - 8/2/2008 12:54:41 PM   
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We are seeking a slave to join us as it says in our profile. Just last week we messaged a slave and were told she was for sale. Personally I would not buy a slave for cash at any price. I have in the past paid for airline expenses for a slave to come to me along with her slave friend. But I knew one of the slaves in real life, not the friend though. As it turned out the slave I knew originally, decided to take off again and her friend is now going to be my Free Companion. I have in the past also wired $100 for a slave to travel to me, who never showed up (never do that again).

As for the slave that was up for sale this past week...

Her current master said if we wanted to meet her originally that we would meet publically. That condition we could agree with and to, thus it was not a concern for us. Our only concern at the time was finding the time to travel out to meet them along with the costs involved. Normally costs would not have been an issue but we are in the process of getting ready to replace a car along with my FC being out of work for the past month due to minor non-recurring medical problems (just wasn't her month). In anycase, we could not schedule a time to run out and meet the potential slave and her master that fit within our budget at the time. We gave up on her for the time being.

The next day her master contacts us and says he would bring her to us if my FC would wear a white silk slip. I told him my FC would not due to it being inappropriate for her status as a Free Woman. Then the slave's master offered to sell her to us for $4,000. We laughed at the thought of paying that much for a slave with no guarentees that she would stay after paying the money. After all we personally believe in consentual slavery thus a slave may leave at any time, but why waste money. If it was a token amount or for relocation expenses then we could understand paying some money (reimbursement). But for a slave that lives two hours by car from us it is a rediculous amount to justify unless we wanted to be foolish.

Personally I think it was a scam or some pervert, since we never verified that there actually is a slave there and from what they have said serveral other dominants have passed on her prior to us. For what reasons we do not know. As for the master selling the girl we havn't heard from him again since we wouldn't play his game of wearing a white silk slip or paying $4,000. And yes her profile is still on CM.


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RE: Slave for sale? - 8/2/2008 1:21:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Necropost. The thread you have replied to is over 4 years old. Just an FYI.

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RE: Slave for sale? - 8/2/2008 1:27:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Leonidas

Well, sort of. A Gorean slave wants to be of service, and be found pleasing. By in large, they aren't heavy masochists, they just want to be owned by someone who is better equipped (emotionally and otherwise) to operate as a free-agent in the world than they themselves are. They don't want to excersize control over their own life, they want to be commanded. Won't try to make them happy? Well, I wouldn't say that. A Gorean man or woman might very well take great pleasure in making their slave happy. It's just a different perspective. Goreans think of their slaves as property, and all of the traditional notions about good stewardship of valuable property apply. A happy slave serves better, is less disruptive in the household, and reflects better on her master.


First, I want to say that your description of a Gorean matches my beliefs on slavery. (I do like to spoil those that make me happy.) I find that interesting since I am a born dominant, lifestyle Mistress (and by that I mean day to day) but I know almost nothing of Gor. 

However, I am confused by one thing, Leonidas. You said, "A Gorean man or woman might very well take great pleasure in making their slave happy." Isn't it strictly male dominated only? Hense the two questions in the survey?


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RE: Slave for sale? - 8/2/2008 2:12:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Voltare

I certainly have my thoughts. What do you folks think?



I think that while it wouldn't work for me and mine (when I give myself I do it to that man - the offer is non-transferable), it seems that he is taking an interest in who the girl goes to and wishes to make sure that she will have a reasonable quality of life. Since he is taking her wishes in consideration, I assume that she isn't completely against the idea and came into it knowing that he at least had the option of selling her.

Not my kink but it doesn't have to be.

Edited to add: Bah... I didn't notice how old the thread was. Oh well!

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RE: Slave for sale? - 8/2/2008 3:06:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Leonidas,
Thank you for your enlightening discourse on the Gorean lifestyle. You have shed some light into the judgmental darkness that surrounds that way of life. I, for one appreciate the time you have taken to explain it so beautifully. Master has 3 slaves really and we are a very happy poly family in Oklahoma. We have often said that we have many Gorean elements in our relationship but have never claimed that as a title for our way of life. However, after reading your description of how to know a Master and what compells a Gorean slave I have some food for thought. It was almost as if you were writing directly about myself and Anna ( 2 of Masters slaves) and Master. We have also said that what we have is different than what we have encountered within the local or semi local bdsm clubs or groups. It was as if you knew us first hand and now I am curious to learn more. Once again ... thank you.
Maggi ( possibly a gorean slavegirl)

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RE: Slave for sale? - 8/2/2008 3:22:48 PM   
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