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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/23/2008 12:19:57 PM   
CuriousLord


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I'm short on time, so this response will be short.

But it sounds like something you should get out of.  Fast and immediately.  And look for safety.

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/23/2008 12:39:10 PM   
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Your profile scared me. You need to keep away from this abuser. Nonconsensual abuse is never acceptable.

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/23/2008 12:48:12 PM   
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I am new to all of this, but when confronted by a self-proclaimed dominant who stated that he was planning to inflict specific acts on me once we got together knowing that the acts were on my hard limit list I choose to drop him immediately and not take the risk.

When the act(s) go against your own self preservation (mind and body) you need to get out of the situation.  That is what limits are set for.


If the guy is incarcerated for assault to the point of felony I would take that as a hint that he cannot control himself, and RUN the opposite direction no matter how long you have stayed with the situation.

Just my two cents.

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/23/2008 12:55:01 PM   
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I'll echo what most have said; disconnect from this guy.  He's simply not safe and what he does is not bdsm, it's abuse.

I'm quite sadistic myself and am known for rough body play, but I've never contemplated getting physical during the times I've had angry disagreements with my slave.  It's at those moments when a slave frustrates you enough that you see red that you have to have the MOST self-control.  Spitting, roughing you up and, oh yeah, *fricking trying to put your eyes out* during a relationship fight is simply inexcusable.

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/23/2008 11:56:22 PM   
HisWill


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This is the reason I keep trying to volunteer at a domestic abuse hotline. These phone lines need submissive women on them, to direct submissive womens calls to. If she calls a D.A. hotline, they will tell her all BDSM is abuse, all hitting is abuse, ect, ect, and in her heart and soul she knows that is not so, so....
What he is doing (read your profile) is abuse. I, and many, many other women, are in deeply satisfying BDSM relationships, with all manner of play and real life agreements, where we NEVER get abused.
I am my Master's slave. I am property. He could do anything he wanted to me, without ever a single complaint from me.
We play on the extreme side, to say the least. SSC is not a metaphor that interests me, I am more a 'RACK' girl. We do some things that many would consider unsafe - because it is play time and we both find them intensely satisfying. We do what we can to keep such things as safe as they can be, but we play the way we want to play.
My slavery includes my everyday life and goes far deeper than just sex or playtime. I submit to him in every area of life, in every day. what I eat, what I wear. I am his slave every minute.
I have never seen him angry. He is totally and completely in control of himself. If he ever did get angry, rather at me or at something else in life, he would walk away and spend time alone till he calmed down. Today he spent an hour loading a nonworking car onto a car dolly with a wench, one slow inch at a time. An hour driving it to where it needed to go. Another hour trying to back up to line the car up to the garage opening in the narrow rows between the rental garages where we rented a space, and a final hour using great big pieces of wood to try to coax the car off the dolly into the rental garage. he never cussed. It was freezing out, and he was dripping with sweat. Today I got a paper cut and cussed, then whined about it for 20 minutes. See why he is the Master?
No Master I know in real life would ever strike their submissive in anger, nor call her derogatory names in anything but utter love and respect. The couples I hang out with have Masters who are in absolute control of themselves, and who consider that a prerequisite for what we do and the life we live.
With my last master, I took a sociology class in college, and the book had this interesting test in it to see if you were battered. I had never seen a test quite like it, so it got my attention. Every test like that I have ever seen, on brochures from abuse orgs, ect, basically says, 'if you answered any of these questions yes, get out, get out now'. This one had a long list of behaviors, not just hitting. It asked you to rank each one between one and five - 'never happens to me' to 'always happens in my relationship'. Then it had numbers. The average score of battered women. The average score of non-battered women. ect. I decided to experiment with the test. I gave every question that had to do with hitting a 5, without thinking about it. Every other question I answered with careful thought. I scored less than half the average for nonbattered women.
Every relationship is different and you must find one that works for you. But, for me, a relationship of this type must include an immense amount of respect. I am treated SO well, I can't begin to describe it, and many other women, here, in my local group, and in every other group I've ever belonged to, are as well.
Do not tolerate poor treatment. If you find it so unacceptable that what you are asking yourself is 'do I deserve it', then you are being abused. And, no, you don't deserve it. Get out. And join a local BDSM group, where you can meet others who do what we do, and see the answer to your question in bright, living detail. You will eventually meet a dominate man who will treat you well, and still tickle your kink. I promise.

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/24/2008 5:23:20 AM   
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I sent you an email but in retrospect I think it may get lost in a flurry of them so will write it again here with some additional thoughts.

You've probably received many emails some with good intentions of offered assistance and others.........more selfish in nature. I would bet there are more than a few offers from dominants to "save you" with promises of "not being like that loser, you need a REAL Master!!........" yada yada yada

My suggestion is that not only do you leave this current guy and cut contact, and get some help, but also avoid getting involved in another relationship for awhile. Take some time to heal, reflect, forgive yourself if needed. Learn what you really do want and need.

I would also suggest finding a local group to get involved with. Perhaps making friends with some owned slaves that are in good solid drama free M/s relationships. Someone that can help you see what it can be, even give you advice and guidance.

On here, there are several people that immediately came to mind as people who's words will teach you so much good about what a sadistic masochistic Master/slave relationship can be. Do a search for KnightofMists and his two lovely ladies posts. Really take time to read what they write about their interactions and feelings for one another. Yes, I know Knight is a sadist, but I also see through their words that it is a relationship based on positive growth for all involved. Please, take the time to search and read their words. It may open your eyes.

You can have a positive M/s relationship, it can involve S&M. It can also be non destructive. I realize it can be fuzzy and confusing when you are young. Just take the time to do what is healthy for you.

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/24/2008 9:37:59 AM   
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Goatmilkfriend--

You came to a good place for advice. Although there are a lot of people who may seem negative about your post, just ignore them. Like any internet forum there are always the people who want to tear others down instead of help them out.

Yes, there can be "an intense, deeply satisfying, and passionate bdsm relationship" without the elements of that relationship evolving into actual abuse. Certainly the distinctions are murkier in a BDSM relationship, because what would undoubtedly be considered "abuse" in many vanilla relationships (e.g. beating or whipping) may be consensual and desired by both parties in a BDSM relationship.

Normally, I would advise a sub/slave who thinks that boundaries have been crossed to find a quiet moment alone with her Master when you know you will have some time (e.g. don't do it right before play, don't do it in the morning as you're getting ready for work, etc.) Tell him, "Sir, I have some concerns about the direction of our relationship and play, and it would be really useful and helpful to me to be able to discuss these concerns with you. Can we just sit and talk them through for a while?"

However, there are red flags all throughout your post that are a serious cause for concern. Phrases like "i have become increasingly endangered physically" or "worried that there is something wrong with his interpretation of what is wrong in a right way and what is wrong in an unacceptable and unhealthy way" or "having to deal with unwanted physical (and mental) abuse." Compound that with your Dom being incarcerated for for assault, and I think you're past the point of trying to negotiate with your Dom. You seem to fear for your safety, both your emotional safety and your physical safety.

In a strong, productive BDSM relationship the sub may be required to face her fears, but she should feel empowered to do so because she trusts her Dom to push her past her limits in a safe way. She should come out of the experience feeling better for having faced her fears, not feeling more afraid. The fact that you have to ask these questions means that you instinctively know something is wrong. Trust your instincts. Get out as quickly as possible. Go stay with friends or family. You don't have to tell them about the kinky part if you don't want to; just tell them that you don't feel safe any longer. Maestro66babycak gave you a great list of resources for women in vulnerable situations. Please take advantage of them, or seek out a women's crisis counseling center in your geographic area. They might have a negative view of the BDSM nature of the relationship, but your safety is more important.





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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/24/2008 10:55:31 AM   
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As for the question, "Why do I think it is my fault I let this happen"  the answer may be low self esteem.  You have to realize you are as good as he is if not better.  The same goes for other dominants and Masters.  You have the control in that you have the right to walk away anytime you want and there is nothing he can do about it.
I agree with the comment you should find others, be it at a munch or on here that are in your area that you could meet in a non M/s setting and just spend time talking to them.  If you have received hundreds of emails telling you the writer is a master and can save you, take it as a sign that you really are worth something more and do not need to be in an abusive relationship.  I and all my friends do not believe that abuse has any place in BDSM.  We differentiate between abuse which is unwanted and pain play the submissive or slave wants.  Hopefully your coming here means you can get away from him.
Good luck. 

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/24/2008 11:17:09 AM   
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You are very understanding. I would just like to mention that the typical aspects of abuse that i deall with and the dynamics of them (like low self-esteem) are things i can and do identify for what they are, but i have been confused since integrating BDSM. That is, it makes me feel like it could be my fault. However, i am pleased to find a so-far unanmouse vote against the idea that one has anything to do with the other. Thats really why i'm here, not 2 ask 4 ppls judjment opinion on wheather or not i should leave him. That is the simlpe and apparent part that takes no contemplation. I just needed some clarification so i could stop feeling responsible. However, i have yet to get a fellow sub's perspective.
-Thanx a bunch

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/24/2008 11:35:03 AM   
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im a newbie here too goatmilkedfriend.......i know very little but i do know abuse is NOT BDSM....im not a pain freak , but im pretty sure pain freaks want the pain....and since the cops were called im going to assume u didnt want what he was dishing out....Listen to everyone who told u to seek out support groups for women...iv been though the abuse thing myself nothing BDSM about it....The first steps are always the hardest, but girl....leave his ass and start ur own life....and if u still want to be a sub...well being indepent and free frome abuse doesnt change that....find urself ...my idea of being a sub....my Daddy has earned my submission...he didnt beat it out of me...  xoxox girl and the best of luck

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/24/2008 11:39:30 AM   
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dcfirmhand,
thanx 4 ur caring. i will check out the list of resources when i am more stable and not on the verge of tears. (We broke up the night i posted this, after he got indicted). Also, i don't flinch easily, rude ppl don't phase me much. I am still glad to be a aprt of this group. Talk to u latr.
-Gabby

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/24/2008 12:10:58 PM   
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I am a fellow sub and left you my advice (which is very much like La Tigresse said). You can find it on page one of this thread.
I think you know what the right thing to do is.

~Christina

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/24/2008 12:12:34 PM   
goatmilkfriend


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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/24/2008 12:15:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: goatmilkfriend

...but i have been confused since integrating BDSM. That is, it makes me feel like it could be my fault.


Remember one important detail and hopefully that will help you no longer feel as if you are somehow at fault or responsible for his behavior to you.

BDSM is consentual
Abuse is not.

He is responsible for his abusive actions to you. You did not hold a gun to his head and force him to do to you what he did. Take only responsibility for your own actions and choices and don't try to burden yourself with his as well.

I wish you all the best as you work through this and move on with your life.

(And yes, I'm an abuse survivor)



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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/24/2008 12:18:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: goatmilkfriend

Thats really why i'm here, not 2 ask 4 ppls judjment opinion on wheather or not i should leave him. That is the simlpe and apparent part that takes no contemplation. I just needed some clarification so i could stop feeling responsible. However, i have yet to get a fellow sub's perspective.


Wow, I feel like I just stepped into the twilight zone.  If you knew you should leave him, then why did you not say so up front? Then the answers might have been different.

Not getting a fellow sub's perspective??  Many of us are submissives, and we have given you clarification and yes, opinions. I would be less than a decent human being (which I like to think I am), if someone said their partner TRIED TO GOUGE THEIR EYES OUT and I did not respond to THAT.

Someone please point out to me how most of us were negative and judgmental. We urged you to get help because you need help. We gave you resources. We gave you what you need to change your mindset that someone trying to ABUSE you is your fault, and we gave you what you need to get in a more healthy place so you would be less likely to think that in the future.

Cali


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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/24/2008 12:20:51 PM   
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I wonder if it actually matters who gives advise when you have big problems?

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/24/2008 12:28:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CalifChick

quote:

ORIGINAL: goatmilkfriend

Thats really why i'm here, not 2 ask 4 ppls judjment opinion on wheather or not i should leave him. That is the simlpe and apparent part that takes no contemplation. I just needed some clarification so i could stop feeling responsible. However, i have yet to get a fellow sub's perspective.


Wow, I feel like I just stepped into the twilight zone.  If you knew you should leave him, then why did you not say so up front? Then the answers might have been different.

Not getting a fellow sub's perspective??  Many of us are submissives, and we have given you clarification and yes, opinions. I would be less than a decent human being (which I like to think I am), if someone said their partner TRIED TO GOUGE THEIR EYES OUT and I did not respond to THAT.

Someone please point out to me how most of us were negative and judgmental. We urged you to get help because you need help. We gave you resources. We gave you what you need to change your mindset that someone trying to ABUSE you is your fault, and we gave you what you need to get in a more healthy place so you would be less likely to think that in the future.

Cali



I am just curious as to why the thread was started in the "Master" section if submissive's perspective was most important. Almost makes one wonder if it wasn't just pity and a saviour that was wanted instead....



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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/24/2008 1:48:04 PM   
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prolly 'cause she's new...

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/24/2008 2:29:35 PM   
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bdsm is not about violence, anger or abuse.  the people i'm with are not violent, angry or abusive people.  they are kind, loving and caring.  this is about meeting deep needs.. but not about being abused.  anytime your "gut" twitches and you wonder if it's a good thing that you're doing... listen to your gut.   there are people who misuse this to meet unhealthy needs and at first it can be hard to see the difference...because on the outside it can look pretty much the same at times.  take the time to learn and understand, then the difference will always be obvious.  there is no anger or abuse here.

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/24/2008 2:44:36 PM   
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discussion are good...but sometimes it worries me it takes so long..to convince people about "bad" things

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