RE: Am I expecting too much? (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion



Message


sweetnurseBBW -> RE: Am I expecting too much? (2/23/2008 2:50:56 PM)

I think you have this built up fantasy of what it would be like but the reality is much different.  I think you need to experience the reality first and then decide if these expectations are what you really want.

Slaves have jobs, families, etc. How are you going to deal with that? Do you realize the ultimate responsibility you will have and what it means for you? There are alot of factors that need addressing first.




Nineveh -> RE: Am I expecting too much? (2/23/2008 3:36:05 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Missokyst

Are you sure you aren't looking for someone to rule because you feel powerless in your own world? 
Kyst
quote:

ORIGINAL: Drummerpunk7

Unfortunately finding someone is quite difficult for me, as I'm not the most socially adept person. I'm really quite shy in public, and it takes alot for me to confront someone that I'm interested in.
.



What's wrong with that?




popeye1250 -> RE: Am I expecting too much? (2/23/2008 3:48:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TotalState

quote:

ORIGINAL: Drummerpunk7

point well taken LA. This is the sort of input I like. Thank you for helping me to clarify and define what I truly want, and making me rethink my words and desires. Hopefully this community will help me to polish my vision into something practical and healthy.

I'm sure you'll form a good idea from paying attention here, but don't let that be your only experience.  Note that bdsm and vanilla aren't *that* different when it comes to relationships, and you do need a similar effort in both to make them successful.

Besides, you're 23, and you're just beginning your journey. Have patience, keep an open mind, and I'm sure you'll find happiness.  The ability to take advice is a very good indicator.



Twenty three?
I don't even know any Dominants in their 30's.
It seems that a lot of Doms really "find" themselves in their 40's.
You have a ways to go to know the ways.
Take your time, Rome wasn't built in a day.




WontSpareTheRod -> RE: Am I expecting too much? (2/23/2008 3:50:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Drummerpunk7

I'm quite new to the D/s lifestyle, and have done alot of reading up on 24/7 dynamics and how owning a slave works. My question is: Am I expecting too much?

I want someone who needs me completely, in every facet of life. I want someone who needs for me to provide everything for them, from clothing to food. I want someone who's only desire is to see me happy, and yet someone whom I can make happy by being all that she needs. I want to pick out what she wears, tell her when to do what, and how to speak. I want total control, while still being aware of her feelings, as I don't want an unhappy slave. I suppose a good slave would just be happy that I am pleased in all she does, and I shouldn't have to worry about her comfort.

I still have some vanilla conventions to loose myself of. Are all slaves so dedicated to their tasks that they will do ANYTHING required of them. I don't want a princess who obeys when she feels like it. I want someone who trusts me to make every decision for her and that I will decide what is in her best interest. I understand it takes a while to build up such trust.

I would appreciate any help in giving myself greater direction in what it is I truly desire, and how I go about acquiring my dream.


The more specific you are the longer it is going to take to find that person, but if it's what would make you turly happy then it's worth the extra time.

The only think i would say is if that is what you want then you are going to have to be incredibly dedicated to your sub and you would have a responsibility to her so you might want to just clarify with yourself what it is that is the most importent things for you and what dosn't really make that much difference when you think about it because your gona be a straight up asshole to make somone that dependant on you only to discover it's not really what you want and leave her. As long as youd be willing to be patient and there for her i say go for it




Missokyst -> RE: Am I expecting too much? (2/23/2008 3:53:27 PM)

Oh yeah.. so many of us find that appealling. [sm=ofcourse.gif]


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nineveh

quote:

ORIGINAL: Missokyst

Are you sure you aren't looking for someone to rule because you feel powerless in your own world? 
Kyst
quote:

ORIGINAL: Drummerpunk7

Unfortunately finding someone is quite difficult for me, as I'm not the most socially adept person. I'm really quite shy in public, and it takes alot for me to confront someone that I'm interested in.
.



What's wrong with that?





SubbieOnWheels -> RE: Am I expecting too much? (2/23/2008 4:17:32 PM)

If you get what you're looking for, you're going to end up living the lives of two people. Every time you dress, you are dressing two people. Every time you bathe, you are bathing two people. Get my drift? You will be constantly checking to see if she needs any decisions made for her, or you will constantly be getting calls requesting your input so she can take another step.

Do you have the time for that?




Lumus -> RE: Am I expecting too much? (2/23/2008 4:23:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Drummerpunk7

I figured as much. Sadly I can't seem to find anyone else in my area who is part of the bdsm lifestyle to talk with and learn from.

Unfortunately finding someone is quite difficult for me, as I'm not the most socially adept person. I'm really quite shy in public, and it takes alot for me to confront someone that I'm interested in.

I will have to tone down what I am looking for at the moment then. Thank you for the honesty. I don't want to get off on the wrong foot straight out of the gate.

EDIT My biggest desire is to be needed. At this point in my life I don't have that feeling in any way. That is my biggest thing with wanting a slave. I want to be needed in every way shape and form. A silly kink I suppose, but mine nonetheless.


Actually, your "Edit" comment struck me as the most poignant part of your post.  It reminded me of an earlier time when I didn't not take as much care to differentiate ideals from reality.  Your "Edit" comment shows a turn in that direction, and it's a good turn to take.

Any advice I would offer would be along this vein:  consider what you offer and the needs thus fulfilled.  My penchant is for words, and I use them to express myself clearly so others know what they're dealing with, when they deal with me.  In that manner, a submissive would then see what I am and know for herself whether it matched her desires...

And now I have my girl. [:)]





bleusparkles -> RE: Am I expecting too much? (2/23/2008 4:35:19 PM)

I'd have to agree with KoM and puella ... Yes, you're expecting too much. The kind of relationship you're describing takes YEARS to develop.






Paulsgirl -> RE: Am I expecting too much? (2/23/2008 4:41:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Drummerpunk7
I want someone who needs me completely, in every facet of life. I want someone who needs for me to provide everything for them, from clothing to food.

Then above you are taking the dominant position.....

I want someone who's only desire is to see me happy,

Then above you are taking the dominant position

and yet someone whom I can make happy by being all that she needs.

and above you switch back to the submissive


I want someone who needs me completely, in every facet of life.

Above is the dominant position.....

I want someone who needs for me to provide everything for them, from clothing to food.

Above you are a submissive....

I want someone who's only desire is to see me happy,

Above you have a slave

and yet someone whom I can make happy by being all that she needs.
who has just topped you......

I want to pick out what she wears, tell her when to do what, and how to speak. I want total control,

Mastery?

while still being aware of her feelings,

without a trace of emotional sadism......

as I don't want an unhappy slave. I suppose a good slave would just be happy that I am pleased in all she does,

not me as i am a slave and an emotional masochist....no pleasing me......

and I shouldn't have to worry about her comfort.

might i suggest you stop switching long enough to focus on YOUR needs rather than the other's.....my personal opinion is that if you can figure out what it is YOU really need then whichever power position you come from will make the other feel much safer......

from Paulsgirl-who-sometmes-doesn't-know-the-answers-for-herself-but-only-for-others






MissMagnolia -> RE: Am I expecting too much? (2/23/2008 4:43:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

No, you're not expecting too much.....

Of course, your ideal slave is a poodle, but once you housebreak it it should all be good, right?
[sm=biggrin.gif]You're an evil, bad man CL and you crack me up!!

OP, a relationship is a relationship, in EVERY area of life. Would you expect to meet a woman and demand she fall in love with you (and you with her) on a first date? And then marry you and give her all to you? Of course you wouldn't.  Could you do it for her? Of course not. Relationships take trust and time and lots of it.

Slow down and really look at people. Not as slaves/dominants, but as human beings with faults, fears, hopes and dreams, not all of which are going to happen. Find the person and not a label.

Good luck!![:)]




celticlord2112 -> RE: Am I expecting too much? (2/23/2008 6:13:38 PM)

[sm=evil.gif]I gots to be me. No one else wants the job.




Drummerpunk7 -> RE: Am I expecting too much? (2/23/2008 6:45:00 PM)

I went out and bought "The Loving Dominant". It has made me rethink the reality of my expectations and helped me to understand more of what I want versus what I write. I suppose I'll shelf what I thought were my desires until I've finished the book then reevaluate my thoughts. It is helping me alot in understanding the dynamic better and giving me a more realistic approach to being a dominant.

Some people here are right, it does sound like I want a dog. I understand that i don't want to make EVERY last little decision about every aspect of life. I like the idea of picking out her clothes, makeup, hair style and so on. I like the idea of saying when to do what to a certain degree. I understand that it may take years to cultivate such a bond, but I'm definately willing to put in the time if only I can find someone who truly understands me.

I'm new, I still need direction. I never said I was right, I never said I was stuck with those expectations. People change, people grow, and most importantly, people learn more every day. I am learning more about myself every minute and hopefully with more input I can polish my ideas into something real.

Now then, off to buy a poodle... :D




travelgman -> RE: Am I expecting too much? (2/23/2008 7:14:29 PM)



You said that you can not find anyone in the lifestyle. Get involved in your local groups. I am sure your area has some clubs. Not sure what they are right off-hand but I know someone who has been to clubs in that area. So they do exist.  Look them up on the net or look some locals up here on the site and ask them.

Not to dis you dude. But a girl like you want. Is not going to fall in your lap or submit to someone who is afraid to come over and talk to her. Continue to grow and learn but perhaps your fantasy is not ready for your reality?




Drummerpunk7 -> RE: Am I expecting too much? (2/23/2008 7:19:07 PM)

My stupid inhibitions are being dealt with. I'm trying to keep a fuck all attitude about meeting people. If they like em or find me interesting great, if not, no big deal. I understand that I need to be alot more assertive before I can expect someone to submit to me.

If anyone knows of a club in Lexington KY I'd love to find out about it.




TracyTaken -> RE: Am I expecting too much? (2/23/2008 7:21:43 PM)

quote:

I want someone who trusts me to make every decision for her and that I will decide what is in her best interest.


How do you imagine you are going acquire the knowledge to determine what is in her best interests?




ThistleDown -> RE: Am I expecting too much? (2/23/2008 8:26:45 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Paulsgirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: Drummerpunk7

and yet someone whom I can make happy by being all that she needs.

and above you switch back to the submissive

I want someone who needs for me to provide everything for them, from clothing to food.

Above you are a submissive....

I want someone who's only desire is to see me happy,

Above you have a slave

and yet someone whom I can make happy by being all that she needs.
who has just topped you......



  I disagree that these things would make him submissive. I see it as realistic. He wants to be important to her and cares about her emotional well being. I can understand the argument for the first and last comments, but I don’t for the middle one.   If he is the only person in the relationship with the ability to provide for her, how does that give her the control? It gives him the control. I think sometimes people forget that even in D/s or M/s both the Dom and the sub may provide for each other.
In some dynamics, it works to have the s-type providing for their d-type so that he/she will be more comfortable or life will be easier… what have you. In other dynamics, it works to have the d-type providing for their s-type so that he/she is made more dependent on the other. And in some dynamics, such as mine, I provide for my Master whatever it is he requests at the time that he requests it and meanwhile, he is the one that provides me with clothing, food… anything I could want (in that he decides if I may have it, if he so chooses, it would be taken away and thus I would be without. I therefore depend on him for these things at the same time that I provide him with the services he requests of me).
sorry for chopping apart your post by the way, I couldn't figure out a better way to put it together.

~puppy




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Am I expecting too much? (2/23/2008 9:40:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Drummerpunk7
Some people here are right, it does sound like I want a dog. I understand that i don't want to make EVERY last little decision about every aspect of life. I like the idea of picking out her clothes, makeup, hair style and so on. I like the idea of saying when to do what to a certain degree. I understand that it may take years to cultivate such a bond, but I'm definately willing to put in the time if only I can find someone who truly understands me.

There you go.  Really think about what you want and how to communicate that well.  Learn about methods of management and all the avrious forms of authority transfer.  The further you go into extremes, usually the more specific and clearly communicative you need to be.




celticlord2112 -> RE: Am I expecting too much? (2/23/2008 10:51:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Drummerpunk7

My stupid inhibitions are being dealt with. I'm trying to keep a fuck all attitude about meeting people. If they like em or find me interesting great, if not, no big deal. I understand that I need to be alot more assertive before I can expect someone to submit to me.

If anyone knows of a club in Lexington KY I'd love to find out about it.


You think too much. Focus on the doing. Get your head handed to you a time or two. Get slapped by a woman who thinks you're a complete ass--then, like Jack Sparrow, you can ponder whether you deserved that or not.

Along the way, you'll bump into a chickie or two who thinks you're all that. The one that manages to catch your eye you will call "slave".




SimplyMichael -> RE: Am I expecting too much? (2/23/2008 10:56:07 PM)

Drummer,

To come to that realization so quickly shows great promise.

Learning to tell what is hot fantasy from what can work in real life is important.

Learning how to incorporate hot fantasy without the unwanted reality is priceless!

It would drive me nuts to have to choose what BSB wears every day, although she gets wet thinking about it and it is a hot fantasy for me too.  So most days I don't worry about it, or I tell her to look a certain way.  Some days I tell her what to wear with whatever specificity I want, some days I do that to make my cock hard and some days I do it to make her wet. 

The point being that many things are hot to think about, look at all the submissive men who have castration fantasies but who I am sure would run screaming the minute the heavy shears actually came out.  However, tying someone down and laying those shears on their stomach, while you sterilize their balls, sharpen those shears, discuss what you are going to do with their ball sack, etc. could be  lot of fun.

However, to do any of this well, you need to first develop a deep understanding of what feeds you, where your desires come from, and of course, the security to truly be who you are.

Just remember,  no slave can be tied down tightly enough to make  you feel secure.  People try, but they always end up wondering if they remembered to chain them up when their back is turned.  Much better to become secure because you know no matter how free someone is, that they want nothing more than to be with you.  BSB gives me that but at times my heart still can't believe it and I have to look to see if she is still there.




MaamJay -> RE: Am I expecting too much? (2/24/2008 12:33:33 AM)

Well said Simply Michael. And I was also about to say well done to Drummerpunk for being so willing to listen, learn and grow ... not always an attribute I would associate with male in his early 20s (I've tried to teach many of them!). I am sure you have already realised you will always get your share of knocks here, and those who just can't help being flippant (and they can provide much-needed humour!), but you will also get some good solid advice. For My money, you had a dream ... and then you had the good sense to ask "Am I expecting too much?" Many don't manage to ask that of themselves ever!

It's not unreasonable to want the authority as LA suggested ... my Master has authority over what i wear, what i eat and drink, when i pee, whether i accept an invitation etc etc. However He doesn't choose to EXERCISE that authority all the time, that would prove to be totally exhausting. Instead W/we have general parameters of acceptance within which i operate ... i wear skirts every day by His choice ... but He rarely says which particular skirt i should wear. If i want to wear pants (cold weather (infrequent in the tropics!) or for an intended activity) i do have to ask for permission. Most times W/we discuss what W/we will eat and drink and i prepare it for Him ... He has final choice though He is careful to consider my dietary needs. The one bit of micromanagement He has chosen to maintain is request to pee ... that was to help me control my errant middle-aged bladder ... now He has better control over it than i do! He can whisper "no peeing until you are sitting on the toilet" and that immediately allows me to walk gracefully through the long shopping centre to the public loos without fear! However, even in that W/we are practical ... if He is away from the house or down the shed, i just go when i need to. It works!

I hope that practical example shows you that something of what you seek is indeed doable. But you really don't want to take on so much that you end up being "slave to the slave"! Also, there are some areas of control and authority that you shouldn't rush into. Fine to outline upfront that ultimately this is what you may want ... so the girl goes into the relationship with that knowledge ... but don't try to demand it all upfront. It took 3 years of living together 24/7 before i ceded financial control to Master ... and even now, 14 months on, He still checks with me about spending, especially when it is on something just for Him. He doesn't need to, i trust Him, but He considers it wise to have my input.

In other words, power exchange of the sort you are envisaging evolves over time and that is a big part of the joy. After all, if you have it all in the first week or month or even year ... what's to do for the rest of your lives? Take it slowly, it's much more fun!

People often talk about how this life can "develop the sub as a person" and don't talk enough of how it can also develop the Dominant. While I believe a Dominant needs to have most of His/Her shit together, with enough personal control to be wise and safe ... the best D/s relationship is where both benefit and grow as people. Classic case here on CM is Simply Michael ... it has been awesome to see Him move from His original cynicism and sharp-edged tongue to someone who gives excellent advice based on the warmth and depth of His experience with BSB ... she has done wonders for Him and I don't doubt that the reverse is also true. To that end OP, I see that you need to climb over a couple of hurdles yourself ... get yourself out and about and get over the shyness (it can be done, I am living proof!) ... remember you are not so incredibly important that everyone is noticing you and it gets much easier! Develop your social skills or you risk finding "the one" and her not being attracted to you! And while I think many people need to be needed, find other ways to have the need fulfilled, at least partially. Volunteer somewhere and you will quickly see how much you are needed. To place the sole responsibility for meeting that need on the shoulders of a slave would be a huge burden, as someone else suggested. It sets her up for failure. And it sets her up for dangerous co-dependency and being unable to care for herself should anything happen to you. Also unfair. Far better for her to have her own life which she chooses to share freely with you ... than have her living your life only. Or to put it a different way ... view life by both looking through 2 windows instead of squashing to both look through only one.

All the best, keep reading, keep asking, seek lots of people as mentors, and try to get out and meet people in real. We really are not so scary, and at events such as munches, are often more prepared than vanillas to welcome newbies and help them find their feet.

Maam Jay aka violet[A]




Page: <<   < prev  1 [2] 3   next >   >>

Valid CSS!




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy
0.046875