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RE: New Confusion... - 2/25/2008 5:22:06 PM

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So what he really wants is a mindless, blow-up doll...

With her legs spread and her mouth open...

Someone who doesn't answer back and doesn't make him think or respect what he has in life...

There's not much difference between that and a 4 year old with his Tonka Truck.

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RE: New Confusion... - 2/25/2008 8:40:26 PM

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Just a side note here - why did you ask him this question? Aren't you the only one who knows what's going on inside your head? And isn't that where the struggle would be taking place?

Not to answer for StormsSlave, but for my own relationship. Often people who are close to us can offer a different perspective on our behaviors that we cannot see. In my relationship, he is highly perceptive and is very quick to cut through the bullshit and get to the heart of an issue. I find this invaluable to me and will often ask his perception on something I am struggling with. Considering how well he knows me, no, I am not the only one who knows what is going on inside my head. My behavior and mannerisms communicates quite a bit to him and his advice and opinion is highly desired. I find it extremely rare that something someone struggles with internally is not communicated in some manner externally. All it takes is knowledge of the person and observation skills.

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RE: New Confusion... - 2/25/2008 11:43:52 PM

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I am of the opinion that in the sexual venue most subs commit acts of submission because they choose to please their master, and that is the pleasure and the power exchange. At least, that's what gets me off.

I'm curious as to how others view it. My Lord is correct, that I do submit in a desire to please him specifically. I was under the impression that this was the basis of "submission" and dominance.

So, in your opinion, how do you view submission? If you submit, why do you submit? What are your thoughts?

Hello StormsSlave. Another verb for "to submit" is "to obey". For some it is "to accept" and or "to comply. The fact that you like "to please" relates to your personal disposition in your relationship. Dominants like to please also, and when they please they are not necessarily being submissive, just "pleasant".

Not everything that is pleasant should automatically be attributed to the lifestyle. Lots of vanillas love to please. Pleasing someone is not necessarily submitting, but then again it may also be, as some subs really love to obey and comply to their dominants.

There is nothing wrong with pleasure as I think it is the basis for what we do. As for the rationale that a pleasing sub that obeys with pleasure is not really submitting? That is fixing what ain't broke, methinks. I don't find it pleasing at all when my sub obeys with hard to contain displeasure. I just don't think it prooves anything. RL

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RE: New Confusion... - 2/25/2008 11:59:04 PM

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So, in your opinion, how do you view submission? If you submit, why do you submit? What are your thoughts?

I'm not always submissive. I am, however, always obedient. I don't do everything he tells me because I want to please him. In fact, when I want to please him, I have no qualms about taking the initiative to do so and I know he appreciates my ability to anticipate his desires.

There are plenty of things I do just because he tells me to do them even if it hurts my heart to do so. Those things which are flat out bad for him but he tells me to do them anyway are the hardest commands for me to obey, but I obey them because that's our dynamic. He's the one in charge and I'm the slave. There was never a guarentee that living this way was going to be happy-go-lucky 24 hours a day, but there was a promise made that obedience would be in place 24 hours a day. I do my best to keep that promise, made first when he collared me, then again when he married me.

The words I spoke during our wedding vows were to love, honor, cherish and obey .. not love, honor, cherish and submit. But then, I'm a slave, not a submissive, so submission is not a requirement.

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RE: New Confusion... - 2/26/2008 2:27:45 AM

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my definition of 'submit' is to yeild to the power and authority of another. The first thing that must happen for me is to recognize that someone has that Power and Authority. i yield to the authority of my boss, law enforcement, etc. as well as to my Master. i made the choice to go beyond yeilding to Him and went on to surrender. Why? Complicated i suppose but the one reward that i get out of my service is the feeling of being needed and necessary. Pretty selfish of me, i know. But that one reward is everything to me. i obey. i comply. i do. i endure. There is a natural cycle and rythem to our relationship. He is a Sadist and i am not a masochist so my suffering is never for my enjoyment. He loves that i suffer for Him. That empowers me. Therefore i surrender that empowerment to Him and the cycle is complete. He empowers me, i surrender that empowerment and to me, that is what power exchange is all about. It ensures that i never become empty. If that makes any sense.

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RE: New Confusion... - 2/26/2008 4:47:40 AM

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

That is why I say:

The notion of women's submission is wholly fantasy; they are just dominating from the long way 'round.

You are there because you want to be there, some benefit is perceived as accruing to you.

Ron