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Owner59 -> RE: Predicting November Results (2/25/2008 10:47:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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I disagree, Bush has pre-delivered the election to the democrats.


Owner,
I once thought so too but, as I said then, when both Houses of Congress ended up having Democrats in the majority it too a major attack point away from the 2008 election. Which Presidential candidate will have a better opportunity to use Congress as a talking point in his/her (giving the possibility for Senator Clinton) campaign?

In 2006 people voted to change the status quo. They expected aggressive change. Some even expected to put withdrawing from Iraq to a vote or at the very least set a withdraw date as part of any Iraq spending bill. The majority party in Congress had the ability to do that. Any Presidential veto would further serve their cause and a Democrat in the White House would have been a forgone conclusion.

Instead we got Rodger Clemens, steroid use by millionaires playing baseball, and Bill #209 passed to establish a "National Quilt Museum". I remember hearing "Bush Lied - People Died"; how about an update - "Congress Quilted - Soldiers Wilted"?

You forget how much power, aka money, is involved here. McCain is the ideal candidate for maintaining the current status quo serving the biggest and wealthiest PAC's. Military contractors and those needing an ongoing cheap labor pool put him over the top. 

And lets not short change the conspiracy theorists. If need be, all it would take would be a terrorist act where civilians are killed and another US monument blown up and this picture of Senator Obama http://www.drudgereport.com/flashoa.htm will run on every FOX newscast. You don't have to do much to scare the majority of people who will vote next November. Most are already scared. Most are VERY naive to the realities of 21st century Corporate polities. The political atmosphere better resembles the original 'Rollerball' script than the standard comparison to Orwell's '1984'.

Owner, I think you know I'm not happy about my prediction. How about a 'friendly wager' about the political party wining the white house - loser has to join and send $100 in the name of the winner to the political party or charity of the winner's choice?



Merc,

Not to be argumentative(that`s just not me),but the money advantage that the GOP has enjoyed for decades is over.

In 2004,for the 1st time, the DNC recorded more contributions than the GOP.

The "internets"( bushspeak)have changed everything.John Dean has revolutionized the whole thing,.By getting multiples of small donations,the democrats have overcome the corporate America money advantage that republicans have enjoyed.

Btw,it used to take twice as much money to elect a republican,than a democrat.
Losing the ability to steel elections will also make it harder for republicans to gain office.
Also,I heard today that McCain is having trouble getting money.He`s getting weaker by the news conference.

As far as steroids and congress go,this cartoon captures my feelings

http://www.airamerica.com/lionel/node/358

And ,I know about the multi-million dollar right-wing smear machine that will tear into Barak.

 I fear he doesn`t have a defense that will withstand it.Hillary can and she can hit back.Something bullies hate.
 
We`ll see.
 
 I love the wager challenge.You`re on,a hundred bucks.I`d prefer the charity,you have my personal email addy.I`ll add to the wager,the loser buys drinks when I come out to California or when you come home to Jersey.




subfever -> RE: Predicting November Results (2/25/2008 10:48:57 PM)

A few more:

http://www.1800-sports.com/presidential-betting-odds.shtml




BitaTruble -> RE: Predicting November Results (2/26/2008 12:12:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth


Owner, I think you know I'm not happy about my prediction. How about a 'friendly wager' about the political party wining the white house - loser has to join and send $100 in the name of the winner to the political party or charity of the winner's choice?


I just finished reading The Appeal by John Grisham. Now that I'm paranoid, I'm closing my blinds and buying some duct tape.

I'll see ya all in December. [;)]




Level -> RE: Predicting November Results (2/26/2008 2:54:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

The closer thing to pay attention to is McCain's choice for VP. If he wanted to insure his victory he'd pick someone of integrity such as Colin Powell or Condaleeza Rice or... Ummmm realizing that I chose two people of color one female, one male, and wanting to not appear prejudicial wanted to make the third be a white male politician; however I couldn't think of one who I believed represented integrity. Maybe someone else can help out and fill in that ...?


Chuck Hagel.




Level -> RE: Predicting November Results (2/26/2008 2:56:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth


Owner, I think you know I'm not happy about my prediction. How about a 'friendly wager' about the political party wining the white house - loser has to join and send $100 in the name of the winner to the political party or charity of the winner's choice?


I just finished reading The Appeal by John Grisham. Now that I'm paranoid, I'm closing my blinds and buying some duct tape.

I'll see ya all in December. [;)]


*laughing*




Mercnbeth -> RE: Predicting November Results (2/26/2008 7:38:07 AM)

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I love the wager challenge.You`re on,a hundred bucks.I`d prefer the charity,you have my personal email addy.I`ll add to the wager,the loser buys drinks when I come out to California or when you come home to Jersey.

Owner,
We're on my friend! Regardless of the outcome I know I'd enjoy spending time with you on either coast.

I'd also agree on your assessment of Senator McCain's communication skills. He loses ground every time he opens his mouth. I didn't think we could do worse than the choices we had in 2000 until 2004 came around. I was looking forward to 2008 and the potential for the first time in 80 years not to have an incumbent or sitting VP on either ticket. Yet we still get these choices! I know I won't vote for McCain, can't vote for Hilliary, and although I'm trying my best, the more I learn about Obama, and it's not easy to weed through the rhetoric, the more difficult it would be to support him; especially on examples of his leadership, experience, and the people he surrounds himself with as supporters and confidants.

This is a very important election, a crossroads for the country. Emotions will run very high, polarization will be more pronounced as each candidate's strategists hope to create a plurality from the splinter groups. If we have a summer as hot as this past winter has been cold - the US has the potential of being a very dangerous place. It could be a repeat of the summer of 1968 with the flames fueled by innuendo and rumors spread at the speed of the internet. 

Meanwhile, the war goes on, Congress addressed the Quilters Museum, and Corporate profits reach even higher peaks; as the citizens are entertained with bread and circus.

Regarding the wager, I too prefer a charity of choice.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Predicting November Results (2/26/2008 9:39:44 AM)

More amusing that substantive, but for people who get their news exclusively from CM's 'Off Topic' threads may have missed this. You know it may be fun having Bill as 'First Husband'.

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Today in Portsmouth, Ohio, he said, "So Hillary says, in 2005, the United States Congress adopted the Bush-Cheney energy bill, which gave $27 billion in subsidies to nuclear, oil, and gas and coal. The only thing that was justified was clean coal, because countries are going to be using that. We have to figure out how to take the carbon dioxide out of it. The rest of it is waste. If you elect me, I'll repeal those subsidies. And put them into a strategic energy fund that will create American jobs for America's future with clean energy."
Watch the VIDEO HERE. 


Of course there must be the "I can do/say no wrong" disclaimer; "I said in the beginning 'So Hillary says...'"

You wonder why President Clinton would want/need to have the White House as a bass of operations. He couldn't have already spent the $31 Million he made putting a deal together for Kazakhstan; a place where Gitmo would be considered a holiday resort by its citizens.

Hell if it didn't impact my life so much I would add CNN, FOX, and especially MSNBC to my comedy group of TV channel blocks.





philosophy -> RE: Predicting November Results (2/26/2008 10:07:01 AM)

..ok, i know i don't have a dog in this fight and all......and i'm sure this is an impossible hypothesis, but what if Obama gets the Democratic nod and then he secures C Powell as a Veep? Instant society rebuilder or just silly?




Mercnbeth -> RE: Predicting November Results (2/26/2008 10:13:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

..ok, i know i don't have a dog in this fight and all......and i'm sure this is an impossible hypothesis, but what if Obama gets the Democratic nod and then he secures C Powell as a Veep? Instant society rebuilder or just silly?


Philo,
Love to see it, but it would be contrary to General Powell's represented and publicized persona and philosophy. Tell you what - It would be a ticket I'd be able to vote FOR. Senator Obama for the fear it would put into the status quo; General Powell for his political acumen and experience in government.




caitlyn -> RE: Predicting November Results (2/26/2008 12:29:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
I was looking forward to 2008 and the potential for the first time in 80 years not to have an incumbent or sitting VP on either ticket. Yet we still get these choices!


I'm having a different struggle. I like all three candidates, and can make a positive case for each one.
 
On point, it's a bit too early to seriously consider a winner, but I really doubt it will be a landslide for anyone. If I had to place a bet right now, I would say Senator McCain will defeat Senator Obama, by a very small margin.




domiguy -> RE: Predicting November Results (2/26/2008 12:34:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
I was looking forward to 2008 and the potential for the first time in 80 years not to have an incumbent or sitting VP on either ticket. Yet we still get these choices!


I'm having a different struggle. I like all three candidates, and can make a positive case for each one.
 
On point, it's a bit too early to seriously consider a winner, but I really doubt it will be a landslide for anyone. If I had to place a bet right now, I would say Senator McCain will defeat Senator Obama, by a very small margin.


It will come down To McCain and Obama....I could make a case that while caitlyn ahd been spending her precious time in strip clubs and enduring drunken sex....I have been talking to the people. Getting to know the little people of this great land of ours....The people have spoken...Obama will be the clear winner.

It brings me no joy to bring this fact to light...It is the same as informing a child that they have cancer...It simply is what it is.




ottRopesandKnots -> RE: Predicting November Results (2/27/2008 7:32:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn
On point, it's a bit too early to seriously consider a winner, but I really doubt it will be a landslide for anyone. If I had to place a bet right now, I would say Senator McCain will defeat Senator Obama, by a very small margin.


http://www.theonion.com/content/video/diebold_accidentally_leaks

It seems caitlyn may be correct.  According to the Onion, the Diebold voting machines have accidentally released the election results early showing McCain winning with 48% of the votes.  You can't really argue with proof like that, I'm certain Stephen Colbert will be elated.




Owner59 -> RE: Predicting November Results (2/27/2008 7:42:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ottRopesandKnots

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn
On point, it's a bit too early to seriously consider a winner, but I really doubt it will be a landslide for anyone. If I had to place a bet right now, I would say Senator McCain will defeat Senator Obama, by a very small margin.


http://www.theonion.com/content/video/diebold_accidentally_leaks

It seems caitlyn may be correct.  According to the Onion, the Diebold voting machines have accidentally released the election results early showing McCain winning with 48% of the votes.  You can't really argue with proof like that, I'm certain Stephen Colbert will be elated.


That was fuuny.I love them.




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Predicting November Results (2/27/2008 8:52:16 AM)

This is the problem I am running into as well. I have been leaning towards Obama, so I have been digging more into his history and the people around him. Someone close to him is up on racketering charges, I am digging into this. Seems he has had some inappropriate campaign contributions currently and in the past, I am digging into this. The more Michelle opens her mouth, the more I wonder what is going on with their true feelings concerning things, I am digging into this. As I dig there is a huge pile of bullshit to go through.

Long time till November and hopefully enough time to dig through all of this.



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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

I know I won't vote for McCain, can't vote for Hilliary, and although I'm trying my best, the more I learn about Obama, and it's not easy to weed through the rhetoric, the more difficult it would be to support him; especially on examples of his leadership, experience, and the people he surrounds himself with as supporters and confidants.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Predicting November Results (2/27/2008 9:06:53 AM)

Orion,
How about yesterday? Senator McCain the apologist. He SOOOO wants to be a Democrat it seems to be killing him to run as a Republican. Meanwhile Senator Obama distanced himself from his own, albeit short, 'liberal' voting record. One apologizes for being too 'conservative', while on the same day the other apologizes for being to 'liberal'. Together presenting the 'Perfect Storm' of Corporate owned politicians.

I wonder if he would agree to be the VP candidate on Senator Obama's ticket if Senator Obama would be the VP in McCain's?

At least if they did that, the people may realize the reality about the election they face in November.




Owner59 -> RE: Predicting November Results (2/27/2008 9:13:45 AM)

Has Ron Paul dropped out?

Couldn`t he take over when/if McCain gets stabbed at the convention?




Mercnbeth -> RE: Predicting November Results (2/27/2008 9:46:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Has Ron Paul dropped out?

Couldn`t he take over when/if McCain gets stabbed at the convention?


Would prefer having RuPaul as a candidate!
[image]http://www.rupaul.com/gallery/gallery_img/10th.jpg[/image]




DomKen -> RE: Predicting November Results (2/27/2008 11:24:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

..ok, i know i don't have a dog in this fight and all......and i'm sure this is an impossible hypothesis, but what if Obama gets the Democratic nod and then he secures C Powell as a Veep? Instant society rebuilder or just silly?

Powell won't ever run for office because he only remains well thought of by avoiding having the truth of his military career brought out. No sane candidate will ever even consider him.




SailingBum -> RE: Predicting November Results (2/27/2008 11:52:26 AM)

I agree with everyone.  Depending on the polls

BadOne




Sinergy -> RE: Predicting November Results (2/27/2008 1:44:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

This is going to be an election decided by the independent/undeclared voters.



Who are turning out in record numbers to vote, as well as the largest percentage turnout of the 18-35yo voting public in the history of the United States.

And they are all turning out to vote for Obama.

The election is Obama's to lose, not the Republican's to win no matter what corporate shill they choose to nominate.

Throw in the disproportionate numbers of Republican congresspeople who have announced their retirement, the Republican's will lose Congress again (think Nixon) for another generation.

$100 to the charity of the winner's choice.  I will take that action.

Sinergy




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