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Skully7000 -> Keep your cards close (2/25/2008 2:52:54 PM)
as a master do you feel you keep your cards close or lay it all out there. if you lay it all out there do you feel that it takes away from your dominance? or enhances it? not sure how to actually form my question or what i'm thinking about to give those a better idea of what i'm getting at but I'll leave it as is and let You run with it! Cheers Skully

FRSguy -> RE: Keep your cards close (2/25/2008 3:05:22 PM)
I lay it all out there... fuck em if they cant take a joke.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Keep your cards close (2/25/2008 3:06:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Skully7000 as a master do you feel you keep your cards close or lay it all out there. if you lay it all out there do you feel that it takes away from your dominance? or enhances it? not sure how to actually form my question or what i'm thinking about to give those a better idea of what i'm getting at but I'll leave it as is and let You run with it! Cheers Skully Cards are laid out at the proper time and not before. That is the order of things.

SteelofUtah -> RE: Keep your cards close (2/25/2008 3:18:44 PM)
WOAH WOAH WOAH When the Hell did we start playing Poker? I never got the Memo, I'm still using Rope and Shackles and Duct Tape. When in the hell did we all start getting cards? Who in the hell was in charge of telling everyone about this? I blame Skully. As Always Steel

antipode -> RE: Keep your cards close (2/25/2008 3:20:20 PM)
You might use examples, to enhance your question. As is, it is hard to answer, without a little more definition which "cards" you're referring to, and what "all" means. If you follow my drift..... [:)]

szobras -> RE: Keep your cards close (2/25/2008 3:20:32 PM)
It all depends on the game, and who is at the table.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Keep your cards close (2/25/2008 3:20:50 PM)
Now you know why cards are kept close to the vest! [;)]

Lumus -> RE: Keep your cards close (2/25/2008 3:21:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Skully7000 as a master do you feel you keep your cards close or lay it all out there. if you lay it all out there do you feel that it takes away from your dominance? or enhances it? not sure how to actually form my question or what i'm thinking about to give those a better idea of what i'm getting at but I'll leave it as is and let You run with it! Cheers Skully If by 'laying out your cards' you mean being frank and forthright, then most people will probably answer in the affirmative...well, except for CelticLord, who enjoys ephemeral and "honesty through tangent acknowledgement"-al commentary. [;)] I can see a possible facet of his reasoning for doing so in this instance. You should be forthright about who you are; what you like/dislike. If withholding serves as a greater instructional tool for your play partner, however, that would be something else...

MistressVnus -> RE: Keep your cards close (2/25/2008 3:25:07 PM)
I am finding it to be more of a double edged sword as time goes on.

RedMagic1 -> RE: Keep your cards close (2/25/2008 3:39:14 PM)
I'm not sure what you mean, OP, so I'll give you an example from my last weekend, and you can say whether it pertains. I'm in a new relationship, and my sub told me anal sex was one of her favorite things. Now, I received a strapon at the age of 24, but had made it to the age of 39 as a "anal-thruster" virgin. It's never been a big fantasy of mine, nor any partner I've had, so I never did it. I told her that I had never done what she was asking, and it was her responsibility to guide me through and ensure we both had a great experience. She accepted that. Later on, we got physical, and I was in charge. I introduced anal at a time that surprised (and pleased) her. During the actual event, I stayed still and she backed into me. Physically, she controlled the entire situation -- following my orders, so I controlled the sitch mentally. Result: fine for a first time. I'll improve with practice. The story is a sexual one, but it indicates how I deal with pretty much everything in life. The question is not whether to reveal my cards, but : What information should I provide this person to get the maximum out of the situation?

Skully7000 -> RE: Keep your cards close (2/25/2008 3:41:58 PM)
alright I have an example: a dom I know has any of his long term play partners fill out an interests Sheet. this covers a vast array of interests and classifies them(similar to the CM profiles) as curious, level of experience and hardlimites ect. now he requires this of Subs he will be playing with on a regular basis. but then he will turn around and say: but I don't fill it out i'm the dom. he says it in a joking way and i'm not faulting him for it but thats how he chooses to play his cards. and yes Steel we are playing poker...Twue doms have already got there packs in the mail I'm sure yours are on there way... don't worry though they are the ninja cards with the razor sharp edges so we can all have fun throwing them into our subs:)

SailingBum -> RE: Keep your cards close (2/25/2008 3:47:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RedMagic1 I'm not sure what you mean, OP, so I'll give you an example from my last weekend, and you can say whether it pertains. I'm in a new relationship, and my sub told me anal sex was one of her favorite things. Now, I received a strapon at the age of 24, but had made it to the age of 39 as a "anal-thruster" virgin. It's never been a big fantasy of mine, nor any partner I've had, so I never did it. I told her that I had never done what she was asking, and it was her responsibility to guide me through and ensure we both had a great experience. She accepted that. Later on, we got physical, and I was in charge. I introduced anal at a time that surprised (and pleased) her. During the actual event, I stayed still and she backed into me. Physically, she controlled the entire situation -- following my orders, so I controlled the sitch mentally. Result: fine for a first time. I'll improve with practice. The story is a sexual one, but it indicates how I deal with pretty much everything in life. The question is not whether to reveal my cards, but : What information should I provide this person to get the maximum out of the situation? Why did you use a strapon as your profile says your male? BadOne

RedMagic1 -> RE: Keep your cards close (2/25/2008 3:49:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SailingBum Why did you use a strapon as your profile says your male? BadOne LOL, I was a sub in a scene. A woman entered me. Over the weekend, I entered a woman with my natural equipment.

MadameTakhisis -> RE: Keep your cards close (2/25/2008 4:02:42 PM)
I use anticipation. You cant anticipate if you can see whats around the corner with a map. Suspense of foresight is my favorite tool. I use 12 decks to deal from. Vegas style!

Lumus -> RE: Keep your cards close (2/25/2008 4:03:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Skully7000 alright I have an example: a dom I know has any of his long term play partners fill out an interests Sheet. this covers a vast array of interests and classifies them(similar to the CM profiles) as curious, level of experience and hardlimites ect. now he requires this of Subs he will be playing with on a regular basis. but then he will turn around and say: but I don't fill it out i'm the dom. he says it in a joking way and i'm not faulting him for it but thats how he chooses to play his cards. and yes Steel we are playing poker...Twue doms have already got there packs in the mail I'm sure yours are on there way... don't worry though they are the ninja cards with the razor sharp edges so we can all have fun throwing them into our subs:) I don't know many subs or slaves who would offer a list of their skills and limits without receiving [or wanting to receive] some similar information in return. Flip the situation for a second. Someone calls you on the phone and asks for your social security number and all of your credit card numbers. Would you just hand them over? Would you ask, "Umm...why?"? Would you perhaps hang up the phone...? [8D] If you treat a sub to your aforementioned joke, chances are they will perceive you as one.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Keep your cards close (2/25/2008 4:07:14 PM)
I withhold only in cases of a mindfuck scene. Otherwise, why withhold from that which you are most secure? Pragmatically alone, they need to know everything so they can serve to the best of their abilities. I find the doms who are afraid to be open are using their dominance as an excuse to hide from insecurity.

Skully7000 -> RE: Keep your cards close (2/25/2008 4:25:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lumus quote: ORIGINAL: Skully7000 alright I have an example: a dom I know has any of his long term play partners fill out an interests Sheet. this covers a vast array of interests and classifies them(similar to the CM profiles) as curious, level of experience and hardlimites ect. now he requires this of Subs he will be playing with on a regular basis. but then he will turn around and say: but I don't fill it out i'm the dom. he says it in a joking way and i'm not faulting him for it but thats how he chooses to play his cards. and yes Steel we are playing poker...Twue doms have already got there packs in the mail I'm sure yours are on there way... don't worry though they are the ninja cards with the razor sharp edges so we can all have fun throwing them into our subs:) I don't know many subs or slaves who would offer a list of their skills and limits without receiving [or wanting to receive] some similar information in return. Flip the situation for a second. Someone calls you on the phone and asks for your social security number and all of your credit card numbers. Would you just hand them over? Would you ask, "Umm...why?"? Would you perhaps hang up the phone...? [8D] If you treat a sub to your aforementioned joke, chances are they will perceive you as one. I do get what you are saying and agree. the difference in the case is that the trust has already been earned/established in the relationship in order to make it a "regular play partner" so while I agree with your point it doesn't apply here. and without Hijacking my own thread: it starts involving the concept of Subs/slaves doing Homework for their Dom. I know many subs/slaves that do homeowork, but very few doms that do.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Keep your cards close (2/25/2008 4:32:50 PM)
quote: If by 'laying out your cards' you mean being frank and forthright, then most people will probably answer in the affirmative...well, except for CelticLord, who enjoys ephemeral and "honesty through tangent acknowledgement"-al commentary. The other option was just too obvious: You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em, Know when to walk away and know when to run. You never count your money when youre sittin at the table. Therell be time enough for countin when the dealins done.

Lumus -> RE: Keep your cards close (2/25/2008 4:33:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Skully7000 I do get what you are saying and agree. the difference in the case is that the trust has already been earned/established in the relationship in order to make it a "regular play partner" so while I agree with your point it doesn't apply here. and without Hijacking my own thread: it starts involving the concept of Subs/slaves doing Homework for their Dom. I know many subs/slaves that do homeowork, but very few doms that do. I could see the mindfuck potential LA [aka Horizontal Hawtie] already addressed; maybe a mutually-agreed-upon humiliation scene; possibly even a mild variation of an interrogation scene, premised on the tease of information only going in one direction. I'm not sure what else you could get out of teasing a sub in this manner, though. As for homework: to be blunt, the only people I know of who call themselves Doms and fail to do homework are not people I would personally refer to as Doms. The quickest example that leaps to mind is the 'Dom' who mailed my girl here on CM with a poorly-phrased offer to become part of what I can only describe as a "sex farm". He might not have been so quick to send a 12-paragraph mail if he bothered to read that my girl is exclusive with me...

Lumus -> RE: Keep your cards close (2/25/2008 4:34:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: If by 'laying out your cards' you mean being frank and forthright, then most people will probably answer in the affirmative...well, except for CelticLord, who enjoys ephemeral and "honesty through tangent acknowledgement"-al commentary. The other option was just too obvious: You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em, Know when to walk away and know when to run. You never count your money when youre sittin at the table. Therell be time enough for countin when the dealins done. Yes, but sometimes obvious just kicks ass. [:D] And no slight was intended, CelticLord; I enjoy your posts immensely. [:)]

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