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MissSCD -> RE: My doctors are trying to take control of my life. (2/26/2008 6:02:40 AM)

I wish they had hospitalized me when I was 24 with annorexia.  We did not have that type of help back then.  Now I have help, and the doctor knows to put me in the hospital if I need to do so, and I will do what he says.
Hope it gets better for you.

Regards, MissSCD



Phoenix2raven -> RE: My doctors are trying to take control of my life. (2/26/2008 6:12:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: dollparts85

I've only been over weight for a few years now...I was thin...but then my thyroid messed up and it took the doctors two years to do tests to find out and I gained 170 lbs in the two years...I'm losing slowly now...I don't think my levothyroxine dose is high enough though...I need to get it checked again....
dollpart good for you for taking the risk and asking for help! As a person with hypothyroid syndrome I know how difficult loosing weight can be. my first question is how long have you been on levothyroxine. My suggestion is spend the 20 per month and get the brand name synthroid. Simply put generic thyroid replacements suck! They can be up to 30% less effective than the brand name one. Your doctor will argue that fact but after my experience of taking the generic v/s brand name for 3 months and not missing any doses then having my levels drop I was convinced that the generic really is less effective in this case. As for your eating disorder I have to say you have to be brutally honest with yourself. I lost a good friend to that disease who didn't listen to her doctors. Deal with it or it will deal with you. Sounds harsh but the alternatives are grim your life is at stake so please listen to the people who know and follow their suggestions.



junecleaver -> RE: My doctors are trying to take control of my life. (2/26/2008 6:40:12 AM)

There are probably better ways to get attention.



DesFIP -> RE: My doctors are trying to take control of my life. (2/26/2008 6:44:26 AM)

You have an eating disorder. It can kill you. Get control of it and you won't need to be hospitalized. The truth is you're ill and you aren't able to view yourself properly. Vitamins and minerals and electrolytes don't make you gain weight, they help you stay healthy. Something you need mentally and physically.



OmegaG -> RE: My doctors are trying to take control of my life. (2/26/2008 6:49:01 AM)

FR

I can almost see the OP sitting at her computer, reading all the nutritional facts so she can skew them and skimming the anorexia blogs of tips.  She probably feels she is unique, that she can control her eating disorder and she can starve and purge herself safer then any other person has before.  Funny, we all think like that.

I would say though that those who have had or are struggling with eating disorders get a double whammy when they hit the road to recovery because of the way the body has been abused it retaliates.  It hoards every last ounce of caloric intake because it's not sure when it will see more food.  The body goes into uber survival mode and the person gains weight rapidly, especially in the abdomen area which increases the urge to take more control.

But the control that is taken is an illusion, the person is a servant to their body image and to the food they are dreaming about and denying themselves.  They obsessivly remember what and when they last ate and they plan for hours and days what the next "meal" will be, planning to the spoonfull just how it will go.

My biggest frustration was the lack of understanding in many nutritionalists, a balance needs to be found in easing a person with an eating disorder into balanced meals again while allowing the body time to ajust to the normalized eating.  As long as the OP has a nutritionalist who has knowlege in eating disorders, she should give up the guise of control and listen to the person who has a far more objective outlook on food then she herself has.



givingin -> RE: My doctors are trying to take control of my life. (2/26/2008 7:37:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: dollparts85

Trying to tell me what I can and can't do and threatening to hospitalize me against my will. I have to see my doctor again Wednesday...he's the one who put me in the hospital last time...I passed out again last week and I was stupid to tell my nutritionist about it...I thought it might be like anemia or something and I could take iron and be done with it...but she wanted me to see the doctor...he'll probably do all kinds of blood work, electrolytes and everything...I was doing pretty well when I had a Dom but I'm not even about to give up control of my food and stuff to a doctor. *sighs* I wish I could just stop going to the doctors completely...it's not like they even help me...they just make it worse...


Just be grateful your doctors are actually trying to help you.  I have begged and begged for help from mine for the bulimia I have had for six years now to no avail..

They just say therapy, therapy, therapy.  I keep telling them that me going to one every two weeks isn't helping a damn thing, but that is all they can tell me.  I have tried getting them to admit me someplace in the hope that I could be monitored and get help with therapy at the same time.  I was told I would still have to face it when I got out and deal with it..why not do it now?  Fat lot of good that did me.

If you don't want to go to the Dr..then don't go.  You are an adult and can make that choice.  I won't hold your hand and beg you to go....you already know the dangers that are possible for your body.  Most with eating disorders know more about all of the problems than the doctors do.

Don't take this as being mean, but put up or shut up.  I really don't know what you want others to do for you other than to beg you to go.  I am not really into attention seekers, I have been through that too many times with friends that will im me to say they are going to cut, or just did.  I have done the same thing in my past, so I know the way they think (not saying the way you think).

I ask you to get help, but I will not force you, nor can anyone else.  I love you as a fellow human and as someone that is suffering the same thing that I and so many are.  But you know as well as I do that until you want to get better, doctors can threaten you all they want and it won't make a difference.  You have to take that first step and put the effort out.  Maybe let them put you in an inpatient clinic.  That or you can continue to vomit until your body gives out and tells you to fuck off.

Love to you...honest.



chellekitty -> RE: My doctors are trying to take control of my life. (2/26/2008 7:57:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kalista07

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ORIGINAL: dollparts85

Not eating doesn't make one anorexic. You have to be under weight to be diagnosed with anorexia.


While i don't wish to enter this "debate" (or attention seeking thread) you clearly desire. i must, of course, tell you that this is the biggest misconception about anorexia diagnosis......You are wrong...Just plain wrong....



i thought that too...until i just did a search for the diagnostic criteria for anorexia...and you do have to be underweight to be diagnosed with anorexia....that doesn't mean that people at a healthy weight or even fat people can't be anorexic (the obsessive compulsive thought patterns, eating patterns, exercise, all the behaviors) heck i would know, i am a fat anorexic...but to be diagnosed by the DSM you have to be under weight



MissSCD -> RE: My doctors are trying to take control of my life. (2/26/2008 8:09:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: OmegaG

FR

I can almost see the OP sitting at her computer, reading all the nutritional facts so she can skew them and skimming the anorexia blogs of tips.  She probably feels she is unique, that she can control her eating disorder and she can starve and purge herself safer then any other person has before.  Funny, we all think like that.

I would say though that those who have had or are struggling with eating disorders get a double whammy when they hit the road to recovery because of the way the body has been abused it retaliates.  It hoards every last ounce of caloric intake because it's not sure when it will see more food.  The body goes into uber survival mode and the person gains weight rapidly, especially in the abdomen area which increases the urge to take more control.

But the control that is taken is an illusion, the person is a servant to their body image and to the food they are dreaming about and denying themselves.  They obsessivly remember what and when they last ate and they plan for hours and days what the next "meal" will be, planning to the spoonfull just how it will go.

My biggest frustration was the lack of understanding in many nutritionalists, a balance needs to be found in easing a person with an eating disorder into balanced meals again while allowing the body time to ajust to the normalized eating.  As long as the OP has a nutritionalist who has knowlege in eating disorders, she should give up the guise of control and listen to the person who has a far more objective outlook on food then she herself has.


I agree with you as far as the OP feels they are unique.  For some odd reason, this is a hidden disease, one that kills before you realize it.   All we had in my day was what they call an upper gi now.  They told me I had to learn to eat all over again.
Now, guess what will likely happen in your mature years?   You will react oppositely to the disease and try to eat exactly what you want including cheeseburgers, pizzas, etc, and eventually you double your weight size.
Now if that doesn't scare someone to get treatment, I don't know how else to do it.
 
Regards, MissSCD



cyberdude611 -> RE: My doctors are trying to take control of my life. (2/26/2008 8:10:30 AM)

Well....
Anorexia is about a flawed perception of bodily image. If a person is underweight and they perceieve themselves to be overweight, that's the condition that resembles anorexia. If a person is overweight and they think they are overweight, there is no incongruity. So although there may be depression or something else going on, it's not anorexia by definition.



OmegaG -> RE: My doctors are trying to take control of my life. (2/26/2008 8:16:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

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ORIGINAL: Kalista07

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ORIGINAL: dollparts85

Not eating doesn't make one anorexic. You have to be under weight to be diagnosed with anorexia.


While i don't wish to enter this "debate" (or attention seeking thread) you clearly desire. i must, of course, tell you that this is the biggest misconception about anorexia diagnosis......You are wrong...Just plain wrong....



i thought that too...until i just did a search for the diagnostic criteria for anorexia...and you do have to be underweight to be diagnosed with anorexia....that doesn't mean that people at a healthy weight or even fat people can't be anorexic (the obsessive compulsive thought patterns, eating patterns, exercise, all the behaviors) heck i would know, i am a fat anorexic...but to be diagnosed by the DSM you have to be under weight



That's just stupid.  So many women (and men) could be helped if they recognized this eating disorder sooner.  And some of us are underweight for our body sizes long before we become underweight by statistiacal markers.



Hippiekinkster -> RE: My doctors are trying to take control of my life. (2/26/2008 8:18:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: dollparts85

I'm in control. No one else is.
Wow, that IS an accomplishment. I'm 54 and I don't have control over fuck-all. So what is your secret?



angelikaJ -> RE: My doctors are trying to take control of my life. (2/26/2008 8:23:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: dollparts85

I only gained weight b/c my metabolism was shot from my hypothyrodism. I recently had my metabolic rate tested and I was only burning 500 calories a day. It takes 3500 calories to gain a pound, so if I ate "normal" 2000 calories a day, I would be gaining several pounds a week.


Starvation forces our bodies to hoard calories.
Eating less will not help.
Doing things that you know are abusive to your body will not help.

And you know all this.

The best way you can support your thyroid is to live a healthy life-style.
You know that.

You don't want the doctors...even though you know the dangers.

So, the question is.. what do you want?




mhawk -> RE: My doctors are trying to take control of my life. (2/26/2008 8:25:08 AM)

i have to agree with others.your life is on the line.you don't have to do what the drs tell you in the long run that's up to you. but at least talk to them.if you want to live a life that's the best thing you can do.

in regards to your going to OA, it's like any other group like it AA,NA,CA, ectera............................. you have to want it for yourself,i kow i'm in NA. if it's your health and your life that you want,only you can decide for it work,if not then as most in the programs say,then you don't want it enough......................

and as far as not believing in 'god" that's not a requirement of any of the groups,it's a suggestion just like the ones you are getting from the post and from your doctors. the only requirement of the groups is that you want to help yourself.no one else can fix you but you



angelikaJ -> RE: My doctors are trying to take control of my life. (2/26/2008 8:26:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: givingin

Don't take this as being mean, but put up or shut up.  I really don't know what you want others to do for you other than to beg you to go.  I am not really into attention seekers, I have been through that too many times with friends that will im me to say they are going to cut, or just did.  I have done the same thing in my past, so I know the way they think (not saying the way you think).

I ask you to get help, but I will not force you, nor can anyone else.  I love you as a fellow human and as someone that is suffering the same thing that I and so many are.  But you know as well as I do that until you want to get better, doctors can threaten you all they want and it won't make a difference.  You have to take that first step and put the effort out.  Maybe let them put you in an inpatient clinic.  That or you can continue to vomit until your body gives out and tells you to fuck off.

Love to you...honest.


Excerpted for the sake of brevity..very nice post givingin.



OmegaG -> RE: My doctors are trying to take control of my life. (2/26/2008 8:33:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

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ORIGINAL: dollparts85

I'm in control. No one else is.
Wow, that IS an accomplishment. I'm 54 and I don't have control over fuck-all. So what is your secret?


My eating disorder issues were all about control.  I couldn't control a damned thing around me, but I sure as hell thought I could control my body and my food intake.  I could change my size rapidly by exerting my will over my physical needs and it gave me the illusion of being in control.  And the fact that most people compliment you on how much better you look in the beginning rather then take not of how fast you are transforming instills that what you are doing to yourself is a good thing.



faerytattoodgirl -> RE: My doctors are trying to take control of my life. (2/26/2008 9:01:38 AM)

doc's are all quacks...how do u think the term came about? especially mine.  23 years now since my last heart surgery and i was supposed to have it in 1994.  what did they do? put in a pacemaker(its not even depended on it only works once in a blue moon) in 1994 instead of making me better.  since then my energy has completely been gone and not getting any back.  but all they care about is what shows up on their tests.  the tests show the same thing every year.  well fuck ya of course they do... you dont see environmental issues on your tests and you dont want me to eat any food before theses tests... how you going to know the REAL results without knowing what really happens?!  i know one day i will die of blood clot or heart attack.  as they continue to delay...delay...delay...  now imagine if i was over weight... how long i would live? imagine if i drank or smoked...  dr's are quacks.  they dont care for our opinions.  they only want the mighty $$$$



bleusparkles -> RE: My doctors are trying to take control of my life. (2/26/2008 9:10:52 AM)

an·o·rex·i·a  [image]http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/premium.gif[/image]  [image]http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png[/image][image]http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif[/image]  /ˌæn[image]http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png[/image]əˈrɛk[image]http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png[/image]si[image]http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png[/image]ə/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[an-uh-rek-see-uh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1.loss of appetite and inability to eat. 2.Psychiatry. anorexia nervosa.
anorex·ia ner·vo·sa  [image]http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/premium.gif[/image]  [image]http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png[/image][image]http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif[/image]  /nɜrˈvoʊ[image]http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png[/image]sə/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[nur-voh-suh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun Psychiatry. an eating disorder primarily affecting adolescent girls and young women, characterized by pathological fear of becoming fat, distorted body image, excessive dieting, and emaciation. Compare bulimia, bulimarexia.

bu·lim·i·a  [image]http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/premium.gif[/image]  [image]http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png[/image][image]http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif[/image]  /byuˈlɪm[image]http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png[/image]i[image]http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png[/image]ə, -ˈli[image]http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png[/image]mi[image]http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png[/image]ə, bu-, bə-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[byoo-lim-ee-uh, -lee-mee-uh, boo-, buh-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1.Also called hyperphagia. Pathology. abnormally voracious appetite or unnaturally constant hunger. 2.Also called binge-purge syndrome, bulim·ia ner·vo·sa  [image]http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/premium.gif[/image]  [image]http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png[/image][image]http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif[/image]  /nɜrˈvoʊ[image]http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png[/image]sə/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[nur-voh-suh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation. Psychiatry. a habitual disturbance in eating behavior mostly affecting young women of normal weight, characterized by frequent episodes of grossly excessive food intake followed by self-induced vomiting to avert weight gain. Compare anorexia nervosa.

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ORIGINAL: dollparts85

Not eating doesn't make one anorexic. You have to be under weight to be diagnosed with anorexia.



Uhm, thats not true. You have to underweight to be DIAGNOSED with anorexia.



faerytattoodgirl -> RE: My doctors are trying to take control of my life. (2/26/2008 9:12:26 AM)

like those twins that candace cameron was trying to help...very underweight...and amazing they can stand up.



jenf -> RE: My doctors are trying to take control of my life. (2/26/2008 9:15:57 AM)

"Doctors are all quacks"...well, listen here...medicine is an inexact science...the body has no windows, no buttons to press for a printout of whats "wrong" with you...even now in the 21 st century, it is largely a a guessing game, based on the clues we can fathom from our tests and your description of symptoms...at least in this country we are not still sticking needles into each other or sprinkling goats blood over the ill person...we are working toward better medical practices every day, but we are only human, after all. Maybe you are ill because God is trying to take you, ever wonder? And how complient are you with you physician's advice? I realize this may read as mean, but it is NOT intended that way. I am just fed up with...for example diabetics facing losing their legs telling me they "can't" (read "won't) keep their blood glucose in the normal range...they are going to eat all thay want and then limp into my hospital and demand I cure them. Sorry, there is no cure for idiocy.



mhawk -> RE: My doctors are trying to take control of my life. (2/26/2008 9:16:11 AM)

well i am going to use one last example.

not all drs are quacks,yes there are quite a few out there but there are ones that are truly concerned for their paitents health and life.
i recently went in for oral surgery.i had let my tooth get so bad it was getting past the point of infection and not the good point the bad point and that can cause major health problems. my Mistress cannot take certain meds becasue of gum disease. so much to the point where there are chemicals and meds they use normally that she risks her life any time she goes in for a cleaning. now back to what i was going to say.now this dr could have charged us horrendous ammounts to go forward with oral surgery.but he did not. he charged us the minimul ammount for it to be done,not for the sake of money but for the sake of being concerened about my health.

not all drs are the same,there are some who actually care about a patients well being more than the mighty dollar,few and far between but they are out there.

drs make suggestions for a reason and not just financial

personally if my life is in risk,i would rather do what's neccessary than take chances.................after all my lord and Mistress want me around as their slave as long as possible and i want that too.........somehow life is more important no matter the cost.............what a concept that is



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