MissMorrigan
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Seeks, I wasn't suggesting it as a 'cure', CBT is but one branch within psychotherapy and is used to modify cognitions, beliefs and behaviours but it's a very long-term psychotherapy and psychotherapy, regardless of branch, is specific to an individual and their issues, so one can't say 'treat em all with CBT' and in my opinion, is an invaluable treatment for many with disorders and psychological problems, and is often used in conjunction with another psychotherapy to treat individuals.
I gave three examples earlier in this thread where psychotherapy has been effective in treating children that committed murders, murders that were considered heinous and had some people shaking their heads in disbelief, and others baying for blood, yet those kids grew up and with the aid of psychotherapy were successfully rehabilitated.
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I see that Cognitive Behavioural Therapy is being presented as a possible cure to the problem of what to do with psychotic people who commit sadistic murders. In fact as I understand it CBT is used on for example depressed people who as a rule present more harm to themselves than to others. It takes months and months if not years to achieve, I would guess, not a lot and without any doubt whatsoever will fail occasionally.
So, treat with CBT, then release and get the absolutely certain repeat crime. This has happened with other psychotherapies why not CBT ?
Lady Ellen has pointed out some interesting concerns regarding Socio. E, however, I don't think it's as simple as that, as we have also seen similar issues within middle class families and their children growing up disaffected from the rest of society, but it's certainly a factor, an important one we cannot ignore and there's a huge distinction between someone having grown up without positive parental influence/environment and commiting crimes as they are behaving specific to such issues caused by severe social disadvantages, than those committing crimes out of sheer bloody mindedness whose selfishness is the driving force for their calculated actions.
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I find LadyE's repeated assertion that if only the Socio Economic model could be changed and "we" could provide everyone with a job then all would well to be totally unconvincing. As I understand it the old Soviet Union in fact did try to employ almost everyone with no significant fall in the homicide rate.
In fact in theory Communism in its pure form was expected to eliminate crime altogether when what actually happened was that some of those who ran such regimes figured amongst the biggest mass murderers the world has ever seen
http://hsx.sagepub.com/cgi/reprint/12/1/117.pdf?ck=nck
B/c often it WORKS, that's not to say it always works, but surely the efforts are worth it if some can be rehabilitated, as has been the case with the three I pointed out earlier? And if they can't, it's why we have facilities to ensure they never interact with the general public again. There will always be miscarriages of justice, Seeks, the Death Penalty is somewhat final should further evidence come to light, as is often the case many years later, to exonerate the convicted - only the convicted is no longer there.
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Why many appear to have such faith in psychotherapy confounds me completely.
Until a person needs it, either themelves, or someone near and dear to them - "You need to see a doctor, love, this can't go on." Only there is no miracle pill, the doctor will refer them to a psychiatrist. One could argue that in the 'old days' we didn't have all that mumbo jumbo, which is why people affected tended to be kept in locked rooms, rarely talked about (which is why few instances were ever heard about), or "She's still under the weather, poor dear, taken to her bed... it's the sunlight, hurts her head, poor thing".
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Ask a psychotherapist to predict anything about any individual and he will flounder and hedge his bets just like anyone else.
Therefore I conclude it is not a true academic discipline but a knocking shop for intellectual pseuds. A bit like literary criticism for example.
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