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justnewsub -> lets compare notes :) (2/26/2008 3:26:08 PM)

I know this has been talked about a million times, I am curious about something tho.  Is sub-space different for everyone?

I never really belived in sub space until it happened to me recently, or at least i think it was sub-drop.  It felt like i was going to faint, but never really did.  i couldn't think very clearly and i felt like i was floating.  i had a hard time understanding what my Dom was saying... it took me a little while to recover... it felt wonderful and scary at the same time. 

I had the feeling that my Dom could have beaten the sh*t out of me and i would have been completly powerless to let him know when i've reached my limit....

i know what it feels like to faint and this felt slightly different... i never saw spots, no cold sweat....just an "out of body" like feeling.

I was also a bit suprised at how i got there.  i have read that most of the time subs reach sub-space when being beaten just right... i however was receiving some very intense kisses and "necking"... there was a little breath play involved but i wasn't out of breath when allowed to breath, it was just for a very very short time....

Basically i feel this was sub-space but am not exactly sure... what are your experiences? what got you there? is you experience different then mine?

i look forward to hearing your side and comparing notes ;)

just new

(edited cuz i used the wrong term... hee hee hee oops... thanks for catching that for me )




AquaticSub -> RE: lets compare notes :) (2/26/2008 3:33:33 PM)

Sounds more like subspace than subdrop to me. Boiled down: Subspace is when my world is happy, wonderful and I'm flying through the air. Subdrop is 180 of subspace and I'm completely miserable, crying or fighting to keep from crying.




MistressVnus -> RE: lets compare notes :) (2/26/2008 3:40:18 PM)

Well...you can call it sub-"drop" but I believe it is more commonly referred to as sub-space.

Then...there is "top-drop"....which is the exact opposite of sub-space...except that it refers to the feeling of coming OUT of "top-space."

I'm not sure I've ever really heard a reference for coming out of "sub-space" other than "coming back."  Or, reorientation.

Sub-space is a place that one enters when several chemicals have been released into, and overloaded, the bloodstream.
Mainly being endorphines (the bodies natural morphone....hence a response to body trauma), and phermones (a hormone related to sexual stimuli).  Becuase endorphones are the bodies natural morphine....just think of the effects that morphine has when taken pharmaceutically.  A fuzzy, zoned-out, euphoric type of feeling.  It takes about 15 minutes for these chemicals to start leaving the system after the stimuli is removed.  So, you should begin to start feeling like yourself again after about 15 mins. Give or take a few.  And depending on the intenisity and duration of the stimuli.

But, never really heard of "sub-drop."  But, who knows, might be a new one.  And, if so, I would think it refers to coming out of sub-space.....which is more of what you described feeling...sub-space.




tsatske -> RE: lets compare notes :) (2/26/2008 3:42:43 PM)

I agree with Aquatic, sounds like subspace. Subspace is an okay place to be, but you need some aftercare while it is going on, while you are coming down.
IMO only, YMMV, subdrop is caused by getting insufficent aftercare. I seldom experience subdrop, and when I have, that has been pretty clearly the reason. The last time, I was dating a Dom before I met Master, we had been out maybe half a dozen times, had not really played yet. We fooled around a little on our last date, but not exactly playing. He refused to give me hugs or other affection, because we had agreed that, when we moved on to playing, I had some punishments coming, and he said he did not give affection to subs who had punishment coming until the punishment was done and paid up. I accepted that.
Then he didn't bother to call me for a week - or email me, or message me, or, hell, send me a simply, pschic 'Hi, there' message (maybe he tried that last one and the pschic satalite was down or acting up.) I dropped, and I got pissed. Hell, even vanilla women get pissed when you don't bother to call.
We talked about aftercare being one of my limits and he informed me that we had not played enough for me to require aftercare. That was our last conversation, when I told him, if I play with someone, they get to decide pretty much everything - but not rather or not I have EARNED the aftercare I need. I get to decide what I need.
Anyway, it is just my experience and opinion that subdrop is caused by inadaquate aftercare, I have no doubt someone will tell you that it is very different for them, in which case, it probably is.




justnewsub -> RE: lets compare notes :) (2/26/2008 3:54:29 PM)

fast reply:  oops thanks for catching that.... i used the wrong term... i did mean sub-space nto sub-drop... :)... i edited my original post so it reads right.

I'm pretty excited i was able to reach sub-space and yes it did take me a good 15 min. or so to come out of it.  The Dom I am playing with is fairly new, but then again so am i. Is "special care" needed when a sub is in sub-space?

Thank you so much for the replies already :)




littleone35 -> RE: lets compare notes :) (2/26/2008 4:12:46 PM)

I got into subspace and i do not need to be betan to get there.  Master does not beat me anyway.  I went deep into subspace just from some playing.  It does not have to be a beating it is different for everyone what sends you there.

Matt's littleone




justnewsub -> RE: lets compare notes :) (2/26/2008 6:03:37 PM)

is it true when you are in sub-space that you can endure more pain or whatever?




awakenednj -> RE: lets compare notes :) (2/26/2008 6:20:44 PM)

I am new and just learning too... but I think I can endure more there... it happened that he was doing something to me and it hurt so much (he noticed and changed things around). but then a little later after I started 'slipping away' he did the same thing again and I felt almost nothing.

So I think at least I can endure more there...




LaMspeach -> RE: lets compare notes :) (2/26/2008 6:31:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: justnewsub

is it true when you are in sub-space that you can endure more pain or whatever?


For me, yes, I can endure more of everything but I don’t need pain to get there. I am more likely to go into sub space because of intense feeling and emotions then I am for pain for some reason. Breath play will send me right to sub space.  For me... It is always different, always a different level, some times I come right back, sometimes it take me a while BUT the one thing that always seems the same is I have trouble paying attention and hearing, sometimes even communicating while in sub space.

I guess my whole point in writing this is you can’t really compare because everyone is different and every experience is different.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: lets compare notes :) (2/26/2008 6:43:50 PM)

I always compare subspace to orgasms- one person can experience a variety of types, from a variety of stimulus, and it's an experience to have rather than understand through description.

It's an altered state of consciousness.  Other than that, there's really no comparison between people, it's all what you happen to experience.

And subspace isn't always good- there are dark and nasty subspaces you can go into.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_622770/mpage_1/key_subspace/tm.htm#622894
Crazy First Subspace

http://www.collarchat.com/m_549476/mpage_1/key_subspace/tm.htm#549596
blocked out scene or inaccurate memory?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_521560/mpage_1/key_subspace/tm.htm#521654
A question about "subspace"

http://www.collarchat.com/m_514967/mpage_1/key_subspace/tm.htm#515095
Different views of subspace and subdrop

http://www.collarchat.com/m_238766/mpage_2/key_subspace/tm.htm#280229
How quick do you go into subspace?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_440912/mpage_1/key_subspace/tm.htm#441045
Was this subspace?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_537506/mpage_1/key_subspace/tm.htm#537508
Subspace ??

What is SUBSPACE?

Subspace...?

Subspace

Subspace can you control it?

Subspace?

Not talking subspace...or sub drop...so what is it?

Subspace or just fantasy land?

Subspace safe?

Subspace or subdrop anyone?

Subspace? (2)

A thing called subspace




AquaticSub -> RE: lets compare notes :) (2/26/2008 6:56:22 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: justnewsub

is it true when you are in sub-space that you can endure more pain or whatever?


I can. Subspace makes it so that I'm not enduring the pain, but adoring it.




NJDiscipline -> RE: lets compare notes :) (2/26/2008 7:20:50 PM)

The most vulnerable moments of a session is when the sub/slave is in sub-space. During those moments the Dominant has complete control and can do practically anything he/she chooses with the sub/slave.  The sub/slave can endure anything, but the sub/slave must trust the Dominant to know how far to take it. The sub/slave must also trust the Dominant will bring he/she out of sub-space properly (i.e. "aftercare").
 
How to go into sub-space is different for everyone. It is the intensity of the moment, the mood, the environment, the pleasure triggers, and much more...All these sensations trigger the mind to enter sub-space.
 
"just new", you have been in sub-space, and you can go deeper. Enjoy it...
 
MR. MILLER




justnewsub -> RE: lets compare notes :) (2/26/2008 8:23:07 PM)

hee hee lucky me!!! can't wait to get there again and to see what my Dom does with me while there...

thank you for all the relplies so far :)




SinergyNstrumpet -> RE: lets compare notes :) (2/26/2008 11:05:36 PM)

I no two experiences I have had with subspace have been exactly alike

~Sinergy's Strumpet~




Mercnbeth -> RE: lets compare notes :) (2/27/2008 6:53:09 AM)

some call it subspace...this slave calls it a trance state.
 
it isn't exclusive to BDSM.  the first time this slave entered it, she was in labor.
 
this slave has never experienced sub-drop after an intense scene.  she experiences the opposite that most report and would have to call it sub-high, if hard-pressed to label it at all.




Gleegal67 -> RE: lets compare notes :) (2/27/2008 2:10:55 PM)

I thought I was always in "Blonde-space"....all goofy and dreamy...which is such a awesome time to be in! 

My Dominant says I get to the point of talking in tongues....totally illegible words or noises coming from me.  I have no recollection of this happening...granted there are blank moments of time that I always thought was in my goofy Blonde-space...come to find out...I go deeper than that for short periods of times.  Surprise to me!  All I know is that I've got a goofy smile on for days if not weeks afterwards!

Since I normally have to drive after our time together, he makes sures he allows for a long aftercare period for me, for example....he figures 3 hours of fun = 3 hours of aftercare will be needed.  Oh how I wish at times I didn't have to drive!

Any wonder why I'm always so darn gleeful? [:D]




LaTigresse -> RE: lets compare notes :) (2/27/2008 2:13:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

some call it subspace...this slave calls it a trance state.
 
it isn't exclusive to BDSM.  the first time this slave entered it, she was in labor.
 
this slave has never experienced sub-drop after an intense scene.  she experiences the opposite that most report and would have to call it sub-high, if hard-pressed to label it at all.


beth, the last bit here caught me eye. When you say you've never experienced sub-drop, I instantly am curious as to why you think that might be. Is there something different being done with you, or to you, that gives you more the high rather than the low others describe?




topazten -> RE: lets compare notes :) (2/27/2008 2:39:22 PM)

quote:

Anyway, it is just my experience and opinion that subdrop is caused by inadaquate aftercare, I have no doubt someone will tell you that it is very different for them, in which case, it probably is.
quote:

ORIGINAL: justnewsub
quote:



Sub-drop, for me, feels a whole lot like depression. That kind of constant "lump in my throat" feeling, an aching loneliness, a sense of being completely out of sync and "discombobulated". It can last as long as a couple of days. I agree that it is a bad thing, and for me, it happens when we don't have enough time for me to "get it back together" in cuddling, sleeping, talking. Now, I know it takes me a long time to pull back together, and I could never expect anyone to know that, without being told. The person I've played hardest with, learned that we couldn't play like that unless we had at least the whole night to spend together. I would wake happy, together and ready to face the day... and other than missing him, there was none of that horrible depression and disorientation.

My point is that I think the degree and nature of aftercare needs is different for everyone, and we're not going to get it right all the time, particularly in a new relationship. I think it is in the sub/slave's best interest to be very honest about what kind of shape they are in, after the fact when they can express themselves clearly, and to be able to describe to a Dom how it felt, from the time they stopped play, to the time they felt completely back together. If the sub/slave knows what needs to change, they need to be free to express that, and if they don't know, aftercare will have to be carefully given, and tweaked along the way, until said sub/slave feels complete with the experience, and feels well and normal afterward.

Just my two cents... I'm a newbie to the boards, so if I'm doing/saying anything wrong, please just let me know.

tt

Just my two cents,

tt





BoiJen -> RE: lets compare notes :) (2/27/2008 2:52:14 PM)

I'm gonna address this fairly simply...the things we call subspace and subdrop ot botto or top or whatever are based in the physical realm. They may be emotionally triggered or even controlled but it's all physical.

Look up endorphins.

"sub-space" (etc etc) is when the endorphins are triggered and being released in your body and brain.

"sub drop" (etc etc) is when those endorphins have worn off...your body releases other chemicals in the need to balance things out. Unfortunately for our tenderselves, when there is an up there is a down and depressants last in our systems longer that stimulants. Meaning you're gonna "drop" before you stablize.

It really has little or nothing to do with the lifestyle or activities in particular...many people, women especially, get an endorphin rush from shopping...get home get over it feel depressed and eat and sleep until they stablize. It just so happens that when we have people around that we care about it can pad the "drop."

This manifests itself differntly in everyone yes. However, the drop is bound to happens even if you don't notice it directly...that extra hr of sleep is part of the drop. It has nothing to do with "bad tops" so don't let anyone fool you.

And that's the physcial facts. The manfiestation of those facts are individually based.




angelikaJ -> RE: lets compare notes :) (2/27/2008 6:25:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoiJen

I'm gonna address this fairly simply...the things we call subspace and subdrop ot botto or top or whatever are based in the physical realm. They may be emotionally triggered or even controlled but it's all physical.

Look up endorphins.

"sub-space" (etc etc) is when the endorphins are triggered and being released in your body and brain.

"sub drop" (etc etc) is when those endorphins have worn off...your body releases other chemicals in the need to balance things out. Unfortunately for our tenderselves, when there is an up there is a down and depressants last in our systems longer that stimulants. Meaning you're gonna "drop" before you stablize.

It really has little or nothing to do with the lifestyle or activities in particular...many people, women especially, get an endorphin rush from shopping...get home get over it feel depressed and eat and sleep until they stablize. It just so happens that when we have people around that we care about it can pad the "drop."

This manifests itself differntly in everyone yes. However, the drop is bound to happens even if you don't notice it directly...that extra hr of sleep is part of the drop. It has nothing to do with "bad tops" so don't let anyone fool you.

And that's the physcial facts. The manfiestation of those facts are individually based.


Excellent post.

I think aftercare can mediate "sub-drop" to a degree...possibly by reinforcement of the connection.




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