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RE: Hard limits or health - 2/27/2008 10:20:44 AM

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One of my hard limits is anything that would interfere with my health. This would include physical and psychological health. One of the things that my Master wants me to do is switch back and forth between vaginal and anal sex. I have been prone to UTI and just recently I recovered from a really bad kidney infection derived from a UTI. From what I have read, and what the doctors have told me this would be a very bad idea. Is it really a hard limit or just a necessary precaution?

You don't need to justify a thing. Your health should always be a hard limit.

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RE: Hard limits or health - 2/27/2008 10:53:31 AM

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Hey, OP, are you starting to notice a pattern here?

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RE: Hard limits or health - 2/27/2008 10:57:22 AM

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As one who does not place limitations on my Master, if there are areas which may cause me harm or damage that he is unaware of, I share my knowledge with him and trust his judgment. I don't make health a hard limit because he looks out for my health himself. And like lusciouslips said, yes, sometimes there are risks, but what fun is life without risks?

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RE: Hard limits or health - 2/27/2008 11:08:30 AM

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SOME 'masters' you cannot do that with.

*guys do NOT read this* tyvm!

Listen, there are a lot of (mostly men) who call themselves 'masters' because they get what they want when they want. They don't want to be told 'no' and when they are, some of them do it anyway. There are men who will take chances with your health and not think twice about it. I've even had to point out a few things to HoneyMaster regarding safety issues, and as a medical professional He is well-versed in this kind of stuff. You just can't always trust someone's judgment because you call them dom or master. When it comes right down to it, you are responsible for your own health and well-being, so, if you trust another person's judgment, and he/she makes a bad call, you only have yourself to blame.

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RE: Hard limits or health - 2/27/2008 11:15:38 AM

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SOME 'masters' you cannot do that with.

Agreed

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When it comes right down to it, you are responsible for your own health and well-being, so, if you trust another person's judgment, and he/she makes a bad call, you only have yourself to blame.

I disagree. I was responsible for offering myself to a Master I could entrust myself with. There is no "blame" in our relationship. I forgive him his bad decisions since heavens knows I've got him beat on making bad decisions by miles. I'll repeat my 95/5 theory: 95% of the time he is spot on target in his decisions about me, with about a 5% error rate. Since I submit to 100% of the man, knowing he is of course a fallible being, I accept the errors and therefore there is no "blame" in our relationship. We both trust that the other is doing his/her best with regard to the other. If there is an error, we correct it and move on.

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RE: Hard limits or health - 2/27/2008 11:22:30 AM

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echoing every single responder here... bad idea, BAD BAD BAD!

Oral to vaginal, good. Vaginal to mouth even better. Vaginal to anal, loads of fun. Anal to vaginal... high risk of UTI and yeast infections.

(pardon my mood today, too much caffeine!)

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RE: Hard limits or health - 2/27/2008 11:25:16 AM

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echoing every single responder here... bad idea, BAD BAD BAD!

oral to vaginal, good. Vaginal to mouth even better. Vaginal to anal, loads of fun. Anal to vaginal... high risk of UTI and yeast infections.

(pardon my mood today, too much caffeine!)

damn wench.... now I need to go do, ummmm something

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RE: Hard limits or health - 2/27/2008 11:37:20 AM

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yeah, the mental images i put into my own head with that got to me too...

~edited because those damn thoughts are making my fingers clumsy~

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RE: Hard limits or health - 2/27/2008 11:49:53 AM

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yeah, the mental images i put into my own head with that got to me too...

~edited because those damn thoughts are making my fingers clumsy~

You. A strong wind gets to ya!

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RE: Hard limits or health - 2/27/2008 11:50:50 AM

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as if you were any different darlin!

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RE: Hard limits or health - 2/27/2008 12:08:02 PM

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Anal to vaginal is definitely a bad idea. It's so easy for women to get infections that way. All it takes is a couple having sex doggie style in a dark room. Penis slips out and man accidentally starts to re-insert it into the wrong hole. Woman tells him and he says "oops, sorry," then buries it deep back into her vagina so fast she doesn't have a chance to tell him to go wash the tip of his penis off. Woman ends up with nasty bacteria infection and has to have her vagina scraped. Accidents happen. I can't imagine anyone wanting to go from anal to vaginal on purpose though. That's just gross.

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RE: Hard limits or health - 2/27/2008 12:09:01 PM

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as if you were any different darlin!

Hey, stick to the subject. We're not talkin about me!

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RE: Hard limits or health - 2/27/2008 12:11:29 PM

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Hey, stick to the subject. We're not talkin about me!

If it were not for my morals i would be such a 'ho!

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RE: Hard limits or health - 2/27/2008 12:17:55 PM

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Hey, stick to the subject. We're not talkin about me!

If it were not for my morals i would be such a 'ho!

If it wasnt for my Dom/boyfriend, I would be a ho!!! Screw morals. No. Screw everything else!!!

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RE: Hard limits or health - 2/27/2008 12:54:13 PM

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Sounds like he watches too much porn.

There are undeniable health risks associated with grinding fecal bacteria into the mucus membranes of the vagina and cervix, up to and including pelvic inflammatory disease. That can be fatal, or require radical hysterectomy. I would say that makes ass-to-vagina sex a good candidate for an unpushable hard limit. If he insists, I would recommend you find someone who is not so selfish

UTIs are sort of another matter. If you are prone to them, you don't need any additional risk added from fecal bacteria. The ones that live on the skin or within the vagina normally are quite bad enough.

One factor with susceptibility can be the proximity of the urethral opening to the vaginal opening This distance can vary from an inch or so, down to nothing, i.e. the urethra is located right at or even within the opening of the vagina. The closer it is, the more tendency to get UTIs from just having vaginal sex.

I had one sub with this issue; it was mandatory for her to pee immediately after sex, to wash the urethra, or she would get a UTI. Waiting even 10 minutes was generally enough to do it. She would have symptoms next day. Once we figured out the cause and I began enforcing the "go pee now" rule, she had no further problems. Also had to pay attention to mixing vaginal sex with extensive bondage - if they were combined, the bondage had to come off as soon as the sex was done.

Drinking lots of cranberry juice, after but especially before playing, also helped her.

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RE: Hard limits or health - 2/27/2008 2:16:06 PM

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In response to LL19 and GB:
I am one of those unfortunates who is suseptible to UTIs..."proximity" being a factor.

edit due to spelling

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RE: Hard limits or health - 2/27/2008 2:48:55 PM

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One of my hard limits is anything that would interfere with my health. This would include physical and psychological health. One of the things that my Master wants me to do is switch back and forth between vaginal and anal sex. I have been prone to UTI and just recently I recovered from a really bad kidney infection derived from a UTI. From what I have read, and what the doctors have told me this would be a very bad idea. Is it really a hard limit or just a necessary precaution?

It's a hard limit or a necessary precaution--whichever persuades your master that switching between vaginal and anal is a REALLY bad idea.

Anal is fun. Vaginal is fun. Anal and vaginal may sound fun, but the urinary issues that will follow are going to be anything but fun.

Did I mention it was a really REALLY bad idea?

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RE: Hard limits or health - 2/27/2008 3:22:33 PM

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Hey everyone! Look up there!!! It's a normal, thinking, reasonable Dom!

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RE: Hard limits or health - 2/27/2008 7:27:38 PM

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it makes me a bit sad when i hear questions like this...i would hope that he would value your health above any kind of play.

please look after yourself...it doesnt' make you selfish, it makes you smart.

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RE: Hard limits or health - 2/27/2008 7:35:57 PM

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Anal and vaginal may sound fun, but the urinary issues that will follow are going to be anything but fun.

Some pain sluts might find the pain of being scraped out fun. I just know I'm not one of them.

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