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RE: Finding that submissive CEO - 2/28/2008 6:10:25 PM

Leatherist

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So I'm curious. how many dominant women have found this submissive gentleman who's attained the pinnacle of all careers? I'd love to hear any thoughts on this most coveted of submissive guys.

One last comment although it is a bit off on a tangent

I really do not think advertising for a "rich guy" is the way to meet a genuine, successful submissive. It can only backfire.

It just screams "gold digger" and the really great subs are too smart to date greedy women for more than, say, a weekend or a few night of free fun.

Look at the advertisments by women looking for the traditional successful "alpha" male and look at how long they have been members here and are still looking for a D/s partner.

Need I say more?

A successfull submissive man is unlikely to be taken in by a "Money Domme"

Unless, as you say-it's to use her as a toy. If you can be bought, you can be just as easily discarded. And usually without much remorse.

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RE: Finding that submissive CEO - 2/28/2008 6:13:01 PM

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Maybe thats why I meet suits. We are compatible on levels other than D/s.

Yep, that's exactly what I mean. These men are sincere submissives, so far as I could tell. It's the lack of personal compatibility on other levels that keeps me from getting involved with them. I also have difficulty coping with men who have certain religious and political affiliations. I really don't think it's possible to be that intimate with someone when you're diamterically opposed on fundamental values.

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RE: Finding that submissive CEO - 2/28/2008 6:39:48 PM

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I've met a lot of extremely wealthy, successful submissive men. I've also met a lot of submissive men who don't make any money at all. I think there are probably even numbers of kinky people across all cross sections of society and one thing does not impact the other.

Many pro femdoms report that their "regular" clients are often men in high powered positions who are very wealthy. I think that's probably because they are the group of men that can "afford" to be "regulars" -- not many minimum wage workers have $300/hr to spend on 3 - 4 sessions a month.

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RE: Finding that submissive CEO - 2/28/2008 6:40:07 PM

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To me, a "power suit" is science fiction battle armor a la Mechwarrior. Not something tailored in Italy.

Best quote of the month. Hands down.

I can understand and appreciate that some guys in these positions of financial and social power want to submit, and one would have to be pretty foolish not to understand why dominating such a man wouldn't be appealing to a woman.

I'm just thankful that there's a lot of women who aren't necessarily after that guy, because I know I'm never going to be him. I don't fit into, as Ms. C so eloquently put it, that world of "power suits, business trips and good quality shoes." I'm more the "not-quite-starving artist" type.

And I'm glad for that, really, for the reasons Shakti gave. I don't have to worry much about keeping up apperances. I'm more free to be myself in my personal life and not feel that everything has to be in convert.

I think Ms. C again hit on a good point: a submissive or dominant sexual identity most likely has little bearing on how one is outside of a personal romantic relationship. It's just a matter of it being easier to have that relationship sometimes.

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RE: Finding that submissive CEO - 2/28/2008 6:47:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

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ORIGINAL: artofthekneel
Jeez, i certainly didn't mean to have this thread go in that direction. But I can see how the financial implication could be read into the post. Let me rephrase. The personality traits necessary to rise to the top of the corporate world seem so out of sync with submission.

That's better.

To be honest, the "Hard Charging Alpha Male Who Wants to Give Up Control In the Bedroom" is such a common thing that it really is a cliche these days. This category of man is extremely common for pro dommes in particular--as a couple of them have said in this thread already. And the one or two professional-male submissives I have met were both lawyers who were doing quite well. One of them was pulling six figures a year and had command of a lot of resources--not a CEO, but definitely had more money than I ever have.

The problem in forming a relationship with someone like him was that our values were out of sync. There's a reason I'm not a CEO myself. And I would find it difficult in general to sync up with any man whose life revolved around money, wearing of "power" ties, or keeping up a sternly straight/vanilla front.

To me, a "power suit" is science fiction battle armor a la Mechwarrior. Not something tailored in Italy.

For the record, there are a lot of men who have positions of authority or power in vanilla life who are submissive to women in their personal lives, including police officers, military men and politicians. The problem with forming relationships with them isn't the depth or sincerity of their private submission--that is very real. It's the difficulty of working around their vanilla lives.

To be fair...not all high-powered executives are the same...some have tremendous charisma and that's what got them to where they are. I find those type of men very attractive. And not all of them are focused on wealth as the end all be all of their existence. There are CEOs of non profits who are not swimming in money, just as there are doctors and lawyers that devote their time and tradeskills to charity and not really for money. There are other men in positions where they are responsible and are the head-guy in charge and they don't make much money at all, and don't wear suits either.

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RE: Finding that submissive CEO - 2/29/2008 4:15:50 AM

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Well as a fairly sucessful business man I am very submissive to women-even those at work. I feel much better chatting with female c-workers than men. I await the opportunity where I can serve a Dominant Woman, live as a female, and help my Mistress in any way She desires.

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RE: Finding that submissive CEO - 2/29/2008 4:34:15 AM

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Regarding LaMistressa's post..i openly admit i am married but i also state that things aren't sweet here.At least i am man enough or sub enough to admit it instead of trying to hide it.So yes,i may not be the pick of the litter and it certainly isn't about getting my kink now.I wish to have a loving relationship with mutual respect and understanding and i also wish for my Domina to be proud of me.She wouldn't be too proud if she found out down the road i was lying and in fact would gladly show me the door.

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RE: Finding that submissive CEO - 2/29/2008 4:38:15 AM

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ORIGINAL: artofthekneel

Jeez, i certainly didn't mean to have this thread go in that direction. But I can see how the financial implication could be read into the post. Let me rephrase. The personality traits necessary to rise to the top of the corporate world seem so out of sync with submission. I wondered if people with this kind of dichotomous personality were relatively common or relatively rare.

I know that it's simplistic to assume someone, like a CEO, is an alpha male 100% of the time just because that's how he or she must approach the professional environment (and I don't mean to imply that all CEOs are testosterone-laden alphas either). It interests me how people can reconcile these seemingly disparate facets of their personalities.

I don't agree. It seems to me that the personality traits that make people good CEOs are the same traits that lead people to be submissive. Success in business requires an ability to created and abide by order---to find structure in processes. In business people get reward for positive action, and quite often correction for negative reaction. More quite often the correction isn't even for something they did.

Plus, on some level CEO type folks are people pleasers. They risk their incomes on being able to please people with wide ranging and often competing wants.

Also it seems to me, that a CEO type person has skills the Domme can use.

Sooo.....Likes order. Likes concrete feedback. Likes pleasing others. Is a real glutton for punishment.

While the house slave in a cage is great, and it can work, it can only work if there is enough income coming into the house for the household to live. After all, everyone's got to eat. (Good thing my guy will be able to work from his cage as a free lancer when he finishes Uni.) And some of the longest lasting Femdom marriages I know about have a sub husband who is a CEO--in a couple of cases of some big international companies.

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RE: Finding that submissive CEO - 2/29/2008 5:00:23 AM

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ORIGINAL: artofthekneel

Jeez, i certainly didn't mean to have this thread go in that direction. But I can see how the financial implication could be read into the post. Let me rephrase. The personality traits necessary to rise to the top of the corporate world seem so out of sync with submission. I wondered if people with this kind of dichotomous personality were relatively common or relatively rare.

I know that it's simplistic to assume someone, like a CEO, is an alpha male 100% of the time just because that's how he or she must approach the professional environment (and I don't mean to imply that all CEOs are testosterone-laden alphas either). It interests me how people can reconcile these seemingly disparate facets of their personalities.

Perhaps we should speak to characteristics versus disparate sides of a personality---( that to Me is like Sybil when you use that phrase)--we are all throughout the day Dominant and submissive--- A CEO must acquiesce to the direction of his/her board, stockholders, laws--in that instance, he is submissive--in the pure sense--

One may be skilled at leading and manuevering the rapids of business, yet prefer in intimate relations to acquiesce the lead role, for that is where the greatest joy is found. In all life situations, we face moments to lead and moments to follow. I see it as a part of a persons make-up not different personalities or different facets. Selecting the best potition to bring the best joy.

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RE: Finding that submissive CEO - 2/29/2008 10:03:33 AM

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ORIGINAL: artofthekneel

Browsing through the profiles, I've noticed something odd. Many dominant women are looking for high-powered executive types who are also submissive or have slave tendencies.

It seems like a bit of a pipe dream, almost the exact opposite pipe dream that male subs have about being full-time caged live-in houseboys.

So I'm curious. how many dominant women have found this submissive gentleman who's attained the pinnacle of all careers? I'd love to hear any thoughts on this most coveted of submissive guys.

I think the dommes that are searching for the submissive CEO type are the ones who are ruled by the lust for money. These are your "hookers with whips" types and the ones who believe submission stems from what the sub can buy. I know many dommes would love to have a sub who they really click with ultimately. These are the ones that are a joy to know. They look at a subby as a whole person and not just a title or bank account.

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RE: Finding that submissive CEO - 2/29/2008 10:41:51 AM

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Hmm. Have kids? How about a fortyeight year old child? How about five or more. Thats a whole lotta fun right? Could you afford to feed all five out of your own pocket? Or would you reach into theirs? How much time would you have for each one outside of your 9 to 5 ? Where would you have the training for such a MAN? At his house with his wife and kids? Would you risk a hotel room tied up knowing I am going to be instructing you as you hollar yes Madame? Would you ride the bus to me in your sissy dress carrying a purse filled with all the tools you have for me to ab use your recktum? Whats funny is I do not ask for males but the offers keep coming one with a bigger promise to serve than the next. Just like the big game, not every one can afford floor seats or skyboxes, some have to watch from home some have to read about it the next day some how every one gets to know the score. I agree with MsC on so many points. Most people get what they can afford. It all costs! P.S. a real hooker would not whip you just take your cash after she ties you up.

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RE: Finding that submissive CEO - 2/29/2008 12:24:01 PM

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I must admit that i am not a CEO nor will i ever be.In fact my income monthly is barely a grand which actually means it is below a grand.Now some years ago,a friend of mine asked me if i ever hit the lottery,would i go out and buy my sex??I laughed at the notion at first but then it happened..i hit my version of the lottery(a woman backed into my car,i wasn't in it)but she was honest enough to come knock on my door.Got a couple of estimates and wham..almost a thousand in my hands.Of course i had no collision on the car and it wasn't that bad..so what did i do??I hired a Pro Domme and booked two hours.Of course as you all know or should know,it is never two hours..more like an hour and twenty minutes and i said as she was packing up.."where are you going"?Her answer was"you came,i leave".And i said"i paid for two hours and you are going to give me two hours or i am going to bust into your purse and take my money back".I mean,what was she going to do..call the police??What does all this have to do with the price of tea in China??Nothing really,except that if a Domina asks me to move in with her,i am not giving her my money like she was a "hooker",i am giving her my money because that is what a living arrangement should be..shared expenses.I may not be able to afford anyone really,but i always felt you shouldn't base a relationship on either sex or a dollar.Which basically means the Pros have been going hungry at least from my side of it since that fateful night.Anyone care to talk anout moonpies??

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RE: Finding that submissive CEO - 2/29/2008 12:50:21 PM

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I always thought is was axiomatic that the more high powered the career, with the greater stress load, the more need to release it at home. I've known more than a few men who were overpowering at the office and married, for a second wife, the dragon lady type. She made all the decisions, found the second home, hired all the staff, etc. Allowing him a space and place to not make decisions.

Making decisions all the time is a lot of work. Guess wrong about what new product to bring out, and there could be ten thousand families without an income. That's a lot of pressure on a human being, being responsible for divorces, spousal abuse, um abuse, suicide etc.

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RE: Finding that submissive CEO - 2/29/2008 4:02:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: rubberpet

I think the dommes that are searching for the submissive CEO type are the ones who are ruled by the lust for money.

Isnt everyone ruled to some degree by the lust of money?

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RE: Finding that submissive CEO - 2/29/2008 4:03:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: rubberpet

I think the dommes that are searching for the submissive CEO type are the ones who are ruled by the lust for money. These are your "hookers with whips" types and the ones who believe submission stems from what the sub can buy. I know many dommes would love to have a sub who they really click with ultimately. These are the ones that are a joy to know. They look at a subby as a whole person and not just a title or bank account.

Even Dommes who are "dominant CEO types" themselves? Aren't they just looking for someone compatible?

I have has a slave or two over the years who was poor (or cried poor) and lived off my money. They were not the type I "clicked with ultimately" (obviously - I don't have them any more)

No-one likes being loved for their wallet - male or female. I prefer to date financial and intellectual equals, not leeches. I am heartily sick of men asking me to "love them as the whole person" and then taking outrageous advantage of my generosity.

You can always spot a guy who is going to do his level best to rip you off and give as little as possible back to you in the relationship. He is the one that enters the relationship bleating "Poor me! I have been so ripped off! My ex-wife/girlfriend/Domme ripped me off. I paid for everything!".

Run. Run like the wind from a tight arse "sub". What his tale of woe is really signalling loud and clear is "don't you dare expect to see a cent of generosity out of me, bitch. You had better just give me domination for free (even though it costs me $300 per hour otherwise - which I have been paying) and never, ever dare ask for anything in return, or I will call you a money grubbing thieving whore-with-a-whip like my last 10 girlfriends"

But having said that, I would never advertise "you have to be attractive, naturally generous, university educated with a six figure income to be my sub" because - as I said before - that sends the completely wrong message and will turn off exactly the kind of guy you are seeking. It fails to convey what you - as Domme - bring to the table of equal or higher value. That can become apparent on the first date when you work out what he's got to offer in a D/s relationship and advertise your own.

Hey this turned into a boring rant about money. Sorry!

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RE: Finding that submissive CEO - 2/29/2008 5:22:35 PM

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Lol...that's ok! It's another money thread. You're supposed to rant about money!

I am glad that some of the Bizness Dommes are speaking up. Thinking back to my meetings with professional male subs, and the discussions we had of their life histories, they really did seem to have had the best experiences with people from their own professional background. I.e., a lawyer had been fairly happy as the submissive of a successful advertising exec, etc..

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RE: Finding that submissive CEO - 2/29/2008 5:38:34 PM

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It wouldn't surprise me to find a CEO who's submissive in the bedroom. After having to put up with the corporate backstabbing all day that goes on at so many companies, who could blame him (or her) for wanting some release from being "in control" all the time?

It's way more fun than yoga!

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RE: Finding that submissive CEO - 2/29/2008 5:40:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: artofthekneel

Browsing through the profiles, I've noticed something odd. Many dominant women are looking for high-powered executive types who are also submissive or have slave tendencies.

It seems like a bit of a pipe dream, almost the exact opposite pipe dream that male subs have about being full-time caged live-in houseboys.

So I'm curious. how many dominant women have found this submissive gentleman who's attained the pinnacle of all careers? I'd love to hear any thoughts on this most coveted of submissive guys.

Your definition of "pinnacle of all careers" is pretty narrow.

Am I drawn to my partner in part because of his profession? Hell yes. Is there anything wrong with that? Does it make it more legitimate that he's a jazz musician rather than a CEO? Would he find me as appealing were I not in an interesting profession that I love? Probably not.

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RE: Finding that submissive CEO - 3/1/2008 7:31:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: artofthekneel

Browsing through the profiles, I've noticed something odd. Many dominant women are looking for high-powered executive types who are also submissive or have slave tendencies.

It seems like a bit of a pipe dream, almost the exact opposite pipe dream that male subs have about being full-time caged live-in houseboys.

So I'm curious. how many dominant women have found this submissive gentleman who's attained the pinnacle of all careers? I'd love to hear any thoughts on this most coveted of submissive guys.

It's the ultimate dichotomy -- he controls all but himself. He gives it away to only one special woman who has chains around his heart. Men who are in positions of power aren't just CEOs -- they could be a judge, an attorney, a cop, a Marine.

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RE: Finding that submissive CEO - 3/1/2008 7:36:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: rubberpet

I think the dommes that are searching for the submissive CEO type are the ones who are ruled by the lust for money. These are your "hookers with whips" types and the ones who believe submission stems from what the sub can buy. I know many dommes would love to have a sub who they really click with ultimately. These are the ones that are a joy to know. They look at a subby as a whole person and not just a title or bank account.

*coughs*
You really think that????

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