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RE: Obama: What the Fuck is the Difference? - 3/1/2008 2:46:57 PM

TheHeretic

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Next!

How about before moving on to "next," you back and answer the question about your supposed Obama dichotomy?

You could also simply admit that you just pulled a word you heard somewhere out of thin air and assumed everybody else was too stupid to catch it. Maybe blame it on the pain pills?

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RE: Obama: What the Fuck is the Difference? - 3/1/2008 2:49:57 PM

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How about before moving on to "next," you back and answer the question about your supposed Obama dichotomy?

Which question did I fail to answer?

Sinergy

edited to point out that "George W. Bush" was my answer, if that is the question you were asking.

p.s. I dont think you are stupid, maybe it is a personal thing?

p.p.s. Next!

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RE: Obama: What the Fuck is the Difference? - 3/1/2008 2:59:46 PM

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1) They object to him because he lacks experience in Washington and wont be able to do anything good.

2) They worry about his lack of experience making him do bad things.

Yet they cannot explain how these opposite ends of a dichotomy can actually exist in the same candidate.

Sinergy

What dichotomy? See also my posts 25 and/or 27 on the previous page.

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RE: Obama: What the Fuck is the Difference? - 3/1/2008 3:10:08 PM

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edited to point out that "George W. Bush" was my answer, if that is the question you were asking.

That's roughly analogous to saying "hamburger" when someone asks what time it is.

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RE: Obama: What the Fuck is the Difference? - 3/1/2008 5:10:20 PM

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edited to point out that "George W. Bush" was my answer, if that is the question you were asking.

That's roughly analogous to saying "hamburger" when someone asks what time it is.

Not really.

Anybody from the right who complains that Obama might mess things up due to inexperience, or more importantly, who complains if or when Obama does mess things up, needs to put on their dunce cap and go sit quietly in the corner.
Their turn to elect an inexperienced doofus who fucks things up completely will end next year. Now it is only polite to sit back on their laurels and (I use the term very loosely) "successes" and let somebody else run things.

Sinergy

p.s. Since McCain has decided to run on a position of continuing all the insane incompetencies of the Dipshit In Chief's administration, obviously the right doesnt mind watching their elected officials destroy America.

p.p.s. Although I do tend to agree with SugarMyChurro, when it is determined over the next 5-10 years that the Dipshit In Chief screwed things up beyond repair, you right wingers will continue to insist it is the Democrats (and probably Jimmy Carter's) fault.

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RE: Obama: What the Fuck is the Difference? - 3/1/2008 5:15:31 PM

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Not really....because Bush broke his campaign promises concerning foreign policy. In 2000, Bush said he was strongly against "nation-building" and sending American troops all over the world. One of the reasons conservatives jumped on his bandwagon in 2000.

Nation-building was actually a Clinton doctrine.

Conservatives never have not had a shot yet at foreign policy (since Reagan). The conservatives were against the war in Kosovo. They were against intervention in areas around the world in the mid-1990s that were making Al-Queda angry. True conservatives are actually more protectionist and isolationist. Look at Ron Paul for example.

Military should be for defense purposes, not offensive. That our military should be the most powerful, but only used for defense. Basically stating that no nation will want to mess with us. That's the true conservative philosophy.

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RE: Obama: What the Fuck is the Difference? - 3/1/2008 5:45:28 PM

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Nation-building was actually a Clinton doctrine.

Where did the US "nation-build" under Clinton?

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That our military should be the most powerful, but only used for defense.

How can you have "the most powerful" military and expect US leadership not to use it offensively?

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RE: Obama: What the Fuck is the Difference? - 3/1/2008 5:59:01 PM

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when it is determined over the next 5-10 years that the Dipshit In Chief screwed things up beyond repair, you right wingers will continue to insist it is the Democrats (and probably Jimmy Carter's) fault.

      It's rather like handing over the keys to a heavily loaded and poorly maintained truck to another driver. The new driver still makes decisions about when to brake before curves, and what gear to use down the hill. If he doesn't understand what he's getting into, he shouldn't have the job. (That certainly applies to our present elected leadership as well, but more on that in 10 months, 20-odd days). I'm living in the present when I make choices like this.

      And I'll be continuing to insist that the Democrats were too fucking useless to do anything but hurl insults, fart into champagne glasses (I'm hoping you've seen that episode of South Park) and watch it happen.

     I'll keep right on insisting as well that the American Left sabotaged any hope of the Iraq invasion being prevented diplomatically, and have plenty of blame for that mess as well.

          *edited because I have a proofreader this evening.

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RE: Obama: What the Fuck is the Difference? - 3/2/2008 5:52:34 PM

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Not really....because Bush broke his campaign promises concerning foreign policy. In 2000, Bush said he was strongly against "nation-building" and sending American troops all over the world. One of the reasons conservatives jumped on his bandwagon in 2000.

What was their excuse to vote for that cretin in 2004?

"He broke all his campaign promises so we should give him a second chance?

Sinergy

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RE: Obama: What the Fuck is the Difference? - 3/2/2008 6:03:00 PM

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I'll keep right on insisting as well that the American Left sabotaged any hope of the Iraq invasion being prevented diplomatically, and have plenty of blame for that mess as well.

Cartman also insisted it was not an alien hoopajoop antenna that suddenly popped out of his ass. That is the cool thing about insisting things, the things people insist are true dont have to have any relationship with extant reality.

Now if you actually had some sort of proof that the American Left did anything to cause 9/11, supported the knowing attempts to defraud Congress, or did anything at all to prevent a diplomatic solution, it might be interesting to have this discussion. But the Cartman approach to insisting on things without proof and which fail to stand up to examination tends to get rather boring. Cartman is fun to watch on South Park, but as Kyle points out "he never wins an argument, he just insists on his side of the story and then says 'screw you guys, im going home' when you prove him wrong."

Sinergy

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RE: Obama: What the Fuck is the Difference? - 3/2/2008 6:06:55 PM

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What was their excuse to vote for that cretin in 2004?

Mine was to give the Democrats an even more emphatic "go fuck yourselves" than I was able to with my vote for Ralph in 2000.

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RE: Obama: What the Fuck is the Difference? - 3/2/2008 6:12:30 PM

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What was their excuse to vote for that cretin in 2004?

Mine was to give the Democrats an even more emphatic "go fuck yourselves" than I was able to with my vote for Ralph in 2000.

Yeah, I voted for Ralph in 2000 as well.

But I knew the Dipshit In Chief would simply fuck things up even more if the Right re-elected that idiot.

Sinergy

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RE: Obama: What the Fuck is the Difference? - 3/2/2008 6:19:41 PM

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Yeah, Cartman is funny. Did you get your standard "pretend you are stupid" tactic from him, or some other cartoon character? Did you see the episode where made up a word, and it actually meant something completely different from what he thought?

I'd be happy to discuss this with you, Sinergy, but since you want to play with a strawman on things I never said or suggested, I'm not going to bother.

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RE: Obama: What the Fuck is the Difference? - 3/2/2008 6:32:59 PM

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Not really....because Bush broke his campaign promises concerning foreign policy. In 2000, Bush said he was strongly against "nation-building" and sending American troops all over the world. One of the reasons conservatives jumped on his bandwagon in 2000.

Nation-building was actually a Clinton doctrine.

Conservatives never have not had a shot yet at foreign policy (since Reagan). The conservatives were against the war in Kosovo. They were against intervention in areas around the world in the mid-1990s that were making Al-Queda angry. True conservatives are actually more protectionist and isolationist. Look at Ron Paul for example.

Military should be for defense purposes, not offensive. That our military should be the most powerful, but only used for defense. Basically stating that no nation will want to mess with us. That's the true conservative philosophy.

"Conservatives never have not had a shot yet at foreign policy (since Reagan)".

Where did you go to school?!?

Remember George Bush Sr.(the other white meat)?

The Gulf war?

Somalia?

"They were against intervention in areas around the world in the mid-1990s that were making Al-Queda angry."

Again,young man,where did you get educated?
It was Reagan/Bush that started that shit.

"True conservatives are actually more protectionist and isolationist. Look at Ron Paul for example".

That`s why we have neo-conservatives(the new-douche bags) and paleo-conservative.(real,actual conservatives).

lol.

The neo-cons have ruined the republican party.Until they`re thrown out or make their own party,they`ll continue to reek havoc on republicans.The longer the better.

Your welcome in advance for the remedial history lessons.

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RE: Obama: What the Fuck is the Difference? - 3/2/2008 6:37:02 PM

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What was their excuse to vote for that cretin in 2004?

Mine was to give the Democrats an even more emphatic "go fuck yourselves" than I was able to with my vote for Ralph in 2000.

So,it was "fuck the dems",and then fuck America by helping get Bush elected.

Thanks...for nothing.....

I beleive that you would vote for a Nadar.lol .Wouldn`t be surprised if you did again.

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RE: Obama: What the Fuck is the Difference? - 3/2/2008 6:53:43 PM

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I beleive that you would vote for a Nadar.lol .Wouldn`t be surprised if you did again.

I voted for Nader the first election.

I voted for Gore the second election.

I will vote for Nader over Clinton this time around, otherwise Obama gets my vote.

If people in this country keep insisting on putting the ignorant, the nearly infirm, or shills to the military-industrial multinationalist complex, in positions of power, I can only hope that by supporting the Greens a party of intelligent people who elect people that know how to think and read and dont think with their adrenal gland, steps up to be the second party to the Democratic-Republicans when they finish merging.

Sinergy

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RE: Obama: What the Fuck is the Difference? - 3/2/2008 7:33:29 PM

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Nope. I only throw my protest votes down the same hole once, O59. I may need to drink several whiskey's when I get home from the polls in November, but I'll be probably be voting for a contender this year.

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RE: Obama: What the Fuck is the Difference? - 3/9/2008 1:14:06 PM

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I was listening to an interview tday on the BBC World service with one of Obama's advisors on foreign policy. Apart from wanting to pull American troops out of Iraq like yesterday, he was pretty much more of the same. Obama's idea of change obviously doesn't go as far as foreign policy. No matter how much the adviser made no change sound like change she couldn't, in the end the interviewer remarked, whatever Obama's change means, its strictly domestic then?

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RE: Obama: What the Fuck is the Difference? - 3/9/2008 6:41:29 PM

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Washington works they way it has always worked, regardless of who's name is stamped on the letterhead. It's bigger than one person. It's a system.

Amen.

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