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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 7:13:38 AM   
lusciouslips19


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Status: offline 		As a jew i understand the bible and its interpretations to be lessons and stories to teach. Not absolute in its truth,When i hear the bible, i hear the torah. Chanted in its ancient way. the hebrew in the torah has accents above each syllable. This shows the reader how to chant the sounds so its sound the same as the person who chanted it 2 thousand years ago. I feel the tradition of my people through this. This way of chanting is called Trope. My sister and her son who was bar motzvahed last week spent months learning this ancient form of telling the stories.

Hearing it in hebrew and its interpretations called the Mishna and Mariv which interprets the lesons and laws are very facinating. I am not a religious person but I have incredible respect for it. It is not King james version.

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 7:13:58 AM   
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The bit that really fucks me off is the part in the New Testament where Goddy makes woman out of a bit of man's ribcage.

Especially now that we know female is the default setting for human beings.


That sort of anatomical thing would be pretty early on in the OLD Testament (testament, lay your hand on my sack and swear an oath).

Maybe give it another quick read thru, slick.

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 7:15:00 AM   
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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 7:17:01 AM   
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Thank you - please check out the Israel thread and feel free to add whatever you like on there. Help is needed  .


Sure. But can ya hook me up with the link?

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 7:18:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		For me its mostly the Old Testament thats offensive.  The killing of innocent people whose only crime was not to be Jewish.  The ongoing slaughter of animals to atone for sins bothers me too. 


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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 7:20:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MissMagnolia
There is a bit in there about if your neighbour works on a Sunday, they must be put to death.

If you did so you would certainly find yourself in a court of law which would not  accept this as a defense. Yet, before you can testify you must swear to be truthful while holding your right hand on a bible?  Ironic.














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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 7:20:35 AM   
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Mazel tov to you and your family on the bar mitzvah!


Thanks Greedy! Whats really amazing is how all those 13 year old get down and dance. They really know how to dance. My nephews do the moonwalk! The new fad is all the girls in their fancy dresses and white bobby sox they bring with. They take off their shoes and dance in sox. All night!

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 7:22:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		We just have to see those texts for what they really are, relics of times past, when people were trying to make sense of a lot of things without the hindsight of scientific knowledge and suchlike, tales and legends. Like we said, these texts aren't really offensive - it's what is done in their name that is.

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 7:22:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

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Mazel tov to you and your family on the bar mitzvah!


Thanks Greedy! Whats really amazing is how all those 13 year old get down and dance. They really know how to dance. My nephews do the moonwalk! The new fad is all the girls in their fancy dresses and white bobby sox they bring with. They take off their shoes and dance in sox. All night!


cool!  so the new millenia version of a sock hop!  *grin*


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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 7:24:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sharainks

For me its mostly the Old Testament thats offensive.  The killing of innocent people whose only crime was not to be Jewish.  The ongoing slaughter of animals to atone for sins bothers me too. 




Other than in defense. that is not my impression of the old testament. However, your version, does make my people look bad. If you want to read the real old testament, pick up a copy of the torah that translates the hebrew. With the hebrew on one side and the english on the other.This is the text it was written in.

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 7:24:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		All this makes me wonder how it is that  Evangelical Xstians can justifiy belonging to a religion of compassion when they so frequently lack a modicum of kindness towards their less fortunate brethren.

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 7:25:07 AM   
Tantriqu


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Status: offline 		Sigh, where do I start?
Where I can keep slaves only from neighbouring countries? [loved a couple from My own and a few from Europe]
That I should stone you to death if you wear clothes of more than one material? [cotton-wool blend, BONK! (are there any WOMEN here?)]
That I should kill the groom standing by the altar because he's wearing glasses?
Lot allowing his daughters to be gang-raped...'

Too many.
But I'll end on a cheery note:

However, the Bible is pro-fisting:
  'And my beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him.'
And it's all about a man's love for the church:  suuuure it is.

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 7:59:49 AM   
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What I find offensive are people that do not use their own mind, but instead robotically obey texts that they sometimes do and sometimes do not understand.


I agree.  I don't find the bible offensive, but I also don't find it to be a useful guide for my life.  I do have a problem with people who constantly spout verse though, especially when they don't understand the meaning of context or historical reference.




I find literally all "formal" religions offensive at some level and opt for personal spirituality.





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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 8:01:53 AM   
Rule


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some are "God's Chosen People"

As a matter of fact anyone who survived the Deluge (and until now) belongs to the chosen people. (Those not chosen are dead.)
 
My Frisian ancestors were chosen people. They were protected from the Deluge in one of them huge ships - presumably quite a bit larger than Noah's tub - and after the Deluge they were transported to the future Frisian homelands.

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 8:13:11 AM   
Rule


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Do you know him personally?
No, but I do know two of the incarnations of the last god of the jews (the Lord is my Shepherd). I also know personally some incarnations of some of the other gods.
 
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol
I always found the Devil terribly attractive.
Psychopaths usually are very charming.
 
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Can you get me his autograph?
No, but I suppose that I can get you the autograph of one Shepherd god incarnation.
 

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 8:16:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol
Do you know him personally?
No, but I do know two of the incarnations of the last god of the jews (the Lord is my Shepherd). I also know personally some incarnations of some of the other gods.
  


You have met  ?

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 8:21:15 AM   
Rule


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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 9:32:09 AM   
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'And my beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him.'
And it's all about a man's love for the church:  suuuure it is.



Or G-spotting!

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 9:34:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		what i find offensive??? "THOU SHALL NOT STEAL"

but its fun to....

sneaks into Tantriqu's bedroom and steals all her bra's!!!!!


see...its fun....


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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 9:44:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		As a Christian I am not offended by the Old Testament it show's a history, possibly tainted by personal views as is the New Testament, which shows the beginning of how Christianity has affected the world.  The only thing I hate about the bible is how people pick and chose passages to fit their political views they want others to live their way.

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