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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 9:51:49 AM   
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Hummm... let's see... stuff I find offensive, or fucked up about the Bible...

1.) They get it wrong in the first lines. Genisis does not mirror what we know to be tru about the beginning of the universe. Sure, "Let there be light!" is as good a description of the big bang as you can have, but everything after that is screwed up, chronologically.

2.) Women are made the fall guy for God's entrapment scheme in the Garden. I mean honestly! What the hell was God thinking, putting that tree there, then telling the kids, "Whatever you do, don't touch that!" Any parent could tell you what the hell was gonna happen.

3.) God commits mass murder. Drowns nearly everyone. Promises not to do it again.

4.) God gambles with the Devil, to see if Job would remain faithful is God turned against him. Kinda like shooting your dog to see if he'll remain loyal, or take a bite out of yu the next chance he gets.

5.) Tests Abraham by telling him to off his kid. (This is a God of love and understanding?) God pulls the punch at the last second. (Why do I have the feeling this one was rewritten for a happier ending?)

6.) God figures we're getitng to smart for our own good, and curses us with different languages. (Gotta make sure the humans can't get anything important done... no, sir!)

7.) Moses, the first superhero, proves his magic is better than the high priests of egypt. Moses gets booked to play the palace for months afterward.

8.) God kills off all of Egypt's first born. (serial killing #2)

9.) God, for no particular reason, decides that Moses doesn't get to see his people prosper. (That's the thanks you get for leading a bunch of whiners through the desert for years and years.)

                    AT THIS POINT, GOD GETS AN RX FOR PROZAC

10.) God knocks up a little jewish girl, without asking, (not unlike Zeus, who was into golden showers) and decides to see what conditions are like on Earth by the ultimate in method acting.

11.) thirty three years missing. (Erased much the same way Nixon accidentally erased several minutes of tape.)

12.) Jesus, capable of miracles, decides to go ahead and be tortured to death by the GOP... er... Romans, (sorry, I get those confused these days) even though he could have easily turned the nails into nerf.

(Okay, this part of the Bible, I actually quite like. As a submissive male, I can get behind a guy who suffers for the love of his fellows, understands and forgives criminals, and is willing to selflessly give himself up in order to make everyone else's life a little better. The thing is, I think they got one of the details wrong. It should have been that, instead of being the son of God, Jesus should have been an average guy. He could still have said all the same things, and gone through all the same experiences. It's just, in the end, God comes down and claims him as his son, saying, "You shitheads persecuted this poor bastard because he had some good ideas, was different from you, and you thought you could get away with it because he was a nobody. Well, just to prove what assholes you've been, I'm adopting him, and he's gonna be my favorite, because he actually cared about others. Maybe you all should think about doing the same.")

13.) The apostles cheapen the act of sacrifice by turning the whole thing into a business. They market the idea to the rest of the world, but the message gets twisted, and the focus pretty much lost.

14.) Tribal elders, and a few kings, decide to do a bit of rewriting along the way, adding some stuff that is just plain mean. Stuff against gays, stuff against other religions, stuff about how we all either think the same way, or we should be killed by fire, or stoning, or any number of other nasty ways. (They were quite creative.)

15. People start taking the Bible v8.3 as holy writ, and begin using it as a club to split open the heads of anyone who disagrees with their own limited interpretation of it.

That's a quick overview... I left out all the anti-sex stuff they crammed in, just for brevitiy's sake. Let's face it, our ancestors didn't really have much of a clue what sex was really all about. (They didn't even realize that sperm and eggs had to come together to begin the process... fertility was a total mystery to them.) So they came up with all these crappy "marriage as property" edicts, just to make sure the lines of succession and taxes came out right. In the meantime, everyone else's sex lives got wadded up and thrown into a waste basket, in terms of natural satisfaction and happiness for all.

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 9:51:51 AM   
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Well I find many parts of the bible to be offensive, but what bugs me more, is what isn't included, or what has been largely ignored.  I am referring to the countless amount of data nixed by the council of Nicea, the acts that people, past and present have done to each other in the name of a man who was said to love PEACE! The stranglehold of control that the Church has had over people in the past, (The countless inquisitions, perfect example.) The Church today, just slapping certain offenders on the wrist and transferring them to another location just to prey on other innocents. ok, I'm sorry I got alittle offtrack. Forgive me.  As for the bible itself, while there are things I don't like, there is some good advice.

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 11:26:16 AM   
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The Bible is kinda dumb...It's an okay read once the character of Jesus is introduced. (I know that Jesus really lived)


I get a kick out of someone earlier speaking about the bible and then pointing out that they are a wiccan as if they have found a nobler path....Six of one.

It is kinda cool that Elizabeth gave birth to John the Baptist and her relative(cousin?) Mary gave birth to the King of Kings 6 months later...Can you say sibling rivalry?

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 11:34:59 AM   
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Pretty much the only thing I find offensive about the bible is the use its put to. Its a great story, and I suppose if you go for the good bits and take the sillier bits for what they are then hey, its a winner.

Less of the putting to death though.


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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 11:42:32 AM   
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God commits mass murder. Drowns nearly everyone. Promises not to do it again

In other words, God admits he made a mistake. How then is God perfect? Could it be that Jews and Christians portray God as perfect because they are afraid nobody will worship a God who has made mistakes?

Moses, the first superhero, proves his magic is better than the high priests of egypt. Moses gets booked to play the palace for months afterward.

And Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, healed the sick, walked on water, and turned water to wine. Isn't magic supposed to be evil? Oh wait, in biblical times they called such acts miracles. Today, we call it white magic. As far I'm concerned, white magic is a synonym for miracles.

God kills off all of Egypt's first born. (serial killing #2)

Oh ok that explains why serial killers can be forgiven and go to heaven. I understand now. God doesn't want to punish humans for the same mistakes he made.


AT THIS POINT, GOD GETS AN RX FOR PROZAC

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Jesus, capable of miracles (white magic), decides to go ahead and be tortured to death by the GOP... er... Romans, (sorry, I get those confused these days) even though he could have easily turned the nails into nerf.



Perhaps God transferred power to Jesus every time he performed white magic and he wasn't capable of it on his own? That would explain his last words of "my God my God, why have you forsaken me" right before his death.

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 11:44:09 AM   
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quote:

The Bible is kinda dumb...


But it has everything.  Murder, sex, sacrifice, intrigue, and some naughty poetry!


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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 11:47:30 AM   
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The Bible is kinda dumb...


But it has everything.  Murder, sex, sacrifice, intrigue, and some naughty poetry!


If you want to see some naughty poetry, you should read "Birches" by Robert Frost!  I can't believe they force school children to read that.

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 11:49:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

quote:

The Bible is kinda dumb...


But it has everything.  Murder, sex, sacrifice, intrigue, and some naughty poetry!




Who hurt you?

'member when you used to be sooo nice? I think we should dig up some more of your old posts....Probably find all kind of gems....Perhpas you were once under a "collar of consideration?" or had a "mentor?"

I miss the old katy....I think she would have been a hoot to bone.

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 11:49:30 AM   
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That's actually a pretty decent outline of the Bible.  I mean, sure, there's tons more, but you hit some of the major points.  Get a lil more together, perhaps you can write the Cliff Notes for it.  :P

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 11:50:09 AM   
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One could do worse than be a swinger of ........ birches.

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 11:51:12 AM   
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I miss the old katy....I think she would have been a hoot to bone.


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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 11:51:28 AM   
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Heh.  Best masturbation poem ever.

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 11:58:40 AM   
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The notion of Monotheism and that some are "God's Chosen People" is the most offensive and dangerous piece of psychological and sociological propaganda ever written.

By its consequences, we are permitted to do as we will to any who are not "of the Chosen" like us - laying the groundwork to legitimise the horrors which we as a species find come naturally enough to us anyway - and to do which we are assured by the breach of every commandment and crimes extending up to genocide depicted in the OT, that we have God's permission.

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"Chosen", in this case, means "Chosen for greater responsibilities."

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 12:03:07 PM   
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"Chosen", in this case, means "Chosen for greater responsibilities."


Is it reasonable to think that people will (or have) interpretted the Bible in the same way?  Is it even possible to know that your interpretation is the one meant by the writer?  How can "chosen" be limited to just one aspect of being chosen by a divine being?

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 12:04:30 PM   
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I was just disappointed that God doesn't refer to Me.

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 12:12:13 PM   
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I just have a general problem with a book considered the literal interpretation of the word of God that had been translated out of whatever language it was originally written in and then rewritten by semi-literate Monks who may or may not have had reason to alter the wording, to support whatever political or sociological position they were taking at the time.

As Bill Clinton pointed out, it all depends on what the definition of the word "is" is.

On the other hand, Hunter S. Thompson said it contained some of the best storytelling and writing ever, and kept him company late at night in hotels for most of his life.

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 1:25:46 PM   
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I've read the book and I find most of it to be quite down on women, they have to be subsmissive, silent, half people it says. So for me that is offensive. There are some parts which read like a badly written fantasy story, but I find some of the moral life lessons such as Thou shalt not steal etc to be ok.

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 1:52:42 PM   
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"Chosen", in this case, means "Chosen for greater responsibilities."


Is it reasonable to think that people will (or have) interpretted the Bible in the same way?  Is it even possible to know that your interpretation is the one meant by the writer?  How can "chosen" be limited to just one aspect of being chosen by a divine being?

It's derived from a tale in Judaism, that other societies/culturers were offered the Law and turned it down.  So the folks who accepted it ("We hear and obey") were taking on additional responsibilities. 

disclaimer:  I'm not Jewish, just have read much of it (religious studies is a hobby of mine.)

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 2:13:35 PM   
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Why would a culture accept responsibilities without incentive?

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RE: What if anything in the Bible do you find offensive? - 3/2/2008 2:34:36 PM   
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The bible is a book(a long fairy tail), it is the people that follow it saying it is the one and only way that are the scary ones.

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