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RE: Dominant on your knees? - 3/2/2008 5:46:19 PM

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Did you just want to be sarky, or what?

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RE: Dominant on your knees? - 3/2/2008 5:51:58 PM

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Really? So do you have any comment on topic?

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RE: Dominant on your knees? - 3/2/2008 5:53:30 PM

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I didn't know that there was a Domme rule book...I do WTF I want when I want...

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RE: Dominant on your knees? - 3/2/2008 5:53:53 PM

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I answered the op... I've said enough. I am done, unless of course you wish to carry on in email.

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RE: Dominant on your knees? - 3/2/2008 6:05:42 PM

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Kneeling is not inherently submissive. The only thing that makes it submissive is the context. If I'm kneeling to my Owner, it's submissive. If I'm kneeling to get under something, then it's not. Likewise, if my Owner gets on her knees to give oral sex, then it's not a submissive thing. It's just a position. I'm the submissive. I'm submissive no matter what we're doing. Acts are nothing by themselves. Context makes them what they are.

That being said, my Owner doesn't get on her knees when she wants to take part in limited oral sex or CBT related things... She's got bad knees, and can't stay on them for too long. If she did, I doubt I'd feel a rush of dominance from standing above her. I'd probably just tremble a bit, as normal. Or whimper, depending on what she was doing.

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RE: Dominant on your knees? - 3/2/2008 6:06:19 PM

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By all means, do what you want, in any position you want to do it in. But bear in mind that Christians pray to their God on their knees. Moslems pray to their God on their knees with their foreheads to the floor and their butts up in the air. And so on. So there's probably more than a little something to the notion that kneeling = submissive.

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RE: Dominant on your knees? - 3/2/2008 6:10:47 PM

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By all means, do what you want, in any position you want to do it in. But bear in mind that Christians pray to their God on their knees. Moslems pray to their God on their knees with their foreheads to the floor and their butts up in the air. And so on. So there's probably more than a little something to the notion that kneeling = submissive.

Ah, a few good examples. However, those are merely submissive because of the contexts. If being on your knees commonly recognized as a submissive posture? Of course, I don't think anybody denies that.

However, simply being on your knees doesn't make the posture innately submissive anymore than standing tall makes one innately dominant. That's what I am trying to say, anyways. Certainly a nice point, on your part.

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RE: Dominant on your knees? - 3/2/2008 6:11:34 PM

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On this subject of kneeling and body language, Sixfootmaster is speaking knowledgably of known phenomena. i happen to agree with him. There are many protocol and etiquette courses that, both in and out of the community drill this knowledge into you; in order to be aware of what you are (generally) unconsciously showing by your body language, recognizing what others are showing with theirs. i highly recommend any submissive (or dominant) to make at least a cursory study of body language.

On the other hand, as primal as Ds is to many of us; it's important to note that we are evolved somewhat past our "RUN FIRE!!!" origins and can get past the "image of dominance" and the "image of submission" and do what actually works for us.

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RE: Dominant on your knees? - 3/2/2008 6:16:10 PM

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I kneel when I am running the chains from waist to ankles and back again, I kneel when he is kneeling and I want to be in his face, I kneel when I am doing CBT and he is standing to ensure I don't lose balance and rip his nuts out of the socket.

I don't find kneeling the least bit submissive--if its Me. <evil grin>

I also take off My 4 inch heels and work barefoot---I am so ME!

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RE: Dominant on your knees? - 3/2/2008 6:19:39 PM

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On this subject of kneeling and body language, Sixfootmaster is speaking knowledgably of known phenomena. i happen to agree with him. There are many protocol and etiquette courses that, both in and out of the community drill this knowledge into you; in order to be aware of what you are (generally) unconsciously showing by your body language, recognizing what others are showing with theirs. i highly recommend any submissive (or dominant) to make at least a cursory study of body language.

On the other hand, as primal as Ds is to many of us; it's important to note that we are evolved somewhat past our "RUN FIRE!!!" origins and can get past the "image of dominance" and the "image of submission" and do what actually works for us.

Bingo, I have evolved. I didn't agree with those praying and kneeling... don't agree with a lot of cave man stuff and although studies have proven what most people think about body language... things are changing. Just because the crowd does or doesn't do it didn't influence us in partaking of our lifestyle. Just like if someone flips me off... I can take that to mean what body language others see it as... I can wave hello or feel they have wished me well. I don't have to obey the norms of society just becasue they are thought to be best because that is what most think.

I do believe the questions were more of a personal nature... what we felt.

I find it interesting that most of the domme's that answered, did not feel submissive when on their knees.

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RE: Dominant on your knees? - 3/2/2008 6:22:33 PM

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I don't feel submissive, ever. I have been in full hogtie bondage (during a demo, thanks) and didn't feel submissive.

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RE: Dominant on your knees? - 3/2/2008 6:25:03 PM

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i still hold to my hypothesis that female dominants are predisposed to knee issues and this is why they generally stay from their knees.

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RE: Dominant on your knees? - 3/2/2008 6:27:47 PM

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I am going to agree with darchChylde, it sounds much safer than the words that I am actually saying out loud.

Though I wonder yet again, HOW do female submissives stand it?

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RE: Dominant on your knees? - 3/2/2008 6:32:36 PM

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RE: Dominant on your knees? - 3/2/2008 6:34:51 PM

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I am going to agree with darchChylde, it sounds much safer than the words that I am actually saying out loud.

Though I wonder yet again, HOW do female submissives stand it?

As a male submissive who has major knee drama (one is 17 years older than the other), i can give you my perspective. i double-checked that Ma'am was understanding about my knees.

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RE: Dominant on your knees? - 3/2/2008 6:37:36 PM

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Ok, all of the body language debate aside, during the time I spent reading the thread, I can think of two glowing examples of when I kneel/am on My knees.

The first is when I tuck My submissive in at night. My boy is very much an early to bed, early to rise type. Anyway, he sleeps on the floor on a foam mattress. Each night, there is a ritual where I kiss him on the forehead before he sleeps. Kind of hard to do from a standing position.

The other is when I greet the apple of My eye. She's only about three feet tall, but yes, I get on My knees every time she runs to Me.

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RE: Dominant on your knees? - 3/2/2008 6:46:59 PM

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I don't feel submissive, ever. I have been in full hogtie bondage (during a demo, thanks) and didn't feel submissive.

Why Lady H, you saucy minx!! Was it video'd and do we get a peek?

I'm dominant if I'm laying in the bath, on my knees or hanging upside down from a tree. I don't kneel for oral sex, simply because I don't perform oral sex on subs. I also tend not to kneel in general as my creaky old bones don't like doing it!!

I can see why some would see kneeling as submissive in the context of BDSM but whatever floats any individuals boat is fine by me. Some people love giving golden showers. I don't, but if it rocks your world, good luck to you.

The action is only submissive if you think it's submissive.

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RE: Dominant on your knees? - 3/2/2008 6:52:23 PM

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I don't feel submissive, ever. I have been in full hogtie bondage (during a demo, thanks) and didn't feel submissive.

Why Lady H, you saucy minx!! Was it video'd and do we get a peek?

I don't think so.........I was a Midori roadie for a local event.....talk about fun! We did a whole unrehearsed skit....

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RE: Dominant on your knees? - 3/2/2008 8:12:46 PM

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Okay, I am seeing a trend here........

Lots of Dommes with dicky knees... what HAVE we been doing!!

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RE: Dominant on your knees? - 3/2/2008 8:15:58 PM

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I don't know about anyone else, but mine actually wasn't my fault - well ... other than I made the mistake of being in marching band. My section leader managed to knock my knee out from under me with his instrument case - I was on crutches for weeks, and it stretched all the medial ligaments and tendons on my left knee. It still pops out on occation if I'm not careful. And I'm sure that landing on it when I slipped on the ice 3 years in a row didn't help either lol

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