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on command? - 9/22/2005 12:44:00 PM

nelbot

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I have heard Masters talk about training me to cum on command. I am so curious how this is done, is it a positive reinforcement sort of behavioral training or does it involve something more? Any insights anyone could give me would be most appreciated.

And Subs out there, are any of you trained to cum on command, and if so what is it like? Is it more like you can't orgasm during stimulation until you have permission or could you be walking down the street and your Dom/Master says cum and you just explode out of the blue?

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RE: on command? - 9/22/2005 1:02:59 PM

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BTW I find it interesting to note that doing a search on this topic, a huge majority of topics with this are in the creative writing section.

Orgasm Training

Orgasm on Demand

In Theory (about orgasm on demand)

The Submissive Orgasm

Teaching a sub to orgasm on a dom's demand

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RE: on command? - 9/22/2005 1:08:11 PM

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yeah, no kidding? it sounded kind of science fictiony to me, or at least a wishful fantasy that maybe subs play along with? I'd never heard of such a thing and I read a lot of erotica before i ever came to CM. THanks for your input EmeraldSlave

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RE: on command? - 9/22/2005 1:10:35 PM

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No, some women actually DO learn to orgasm without direct physical stimulation. And some women do fake it, or push themselves into believing it because of pressure from the dom rather than the actual reaction.

Me? I'm difficult enough to orgasm no matter what. While I don't see it as beyond the realm of possibility, it would certainly be difficult and take a long time of training, focus and rewiring of my brain. I personally think orgasms should be enjoyed for what they are and that too many people put focus on the HAVING of the orgasm that they lose the pleasure of them.

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RE: on command? - 9/22/2005 1:12:53 PM

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i was trained early on <by another Dom> to cum on command/demand...with or with out stimulation. in this i was ONLY able to climax with his permission. there were times <during misbehaving> he would use me..and not allow me to climax, yet as rewards he would allow me to climax as many times as i wanted <open permission given before hand>. to me it wasnt that difficult to "learn"...although horribly upseting when he dismissed me...and future <vanilla lovers> didnt understand my necessity to be told it was ok. the only reference i can make....yet it so doesnt fit...is a Pavlov's dog type training thing....
i hope this helps a bit....as personal experience

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RE: on command? - 9/22/2005 1:21:59 PM

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Thanks Evil'sgirl. Maybe I am just a die hard skeptic... One of the threads EmeraldSlave forwarded had a Dom talking about how at first he would give the command as his girl came, then just before, and slowly working that word association into the act it became possible, that's the only way I could imagine it working I guess. I had a hard time coming the other night for the first time in my memory. Even though the Dom I had spent the afternoon with told me to go home and masturbate somehow it didn't seem right to come without him there to enjoy it since he had gotten me so hot... that was what led to his suggestion that maybe I could be trained like that... I find it very interesting in any event...

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RE: on command? - 9/22/2005 1:22:58 PM

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I had a slave who claimed she was trained to orgasm on command. I couldn't help but notice that in her 'commanded' orgasms there were no contractions...none of those wonderful, spasmodic, squeezing waves...whereas they were present during the uncommanded orgasms. So I suspected that, at least in her case, the phenomenon was just a psychosomatic thing. Lacking the ability to know what was happening in her mind, I leave it as an open question.

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RE: on command? - 9/22/2005 1:38:03 PM

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"Cum", on command....This is truly a very interesting topic and I've read all of the responses and have come up with my own conclusions.

Now, If I can just get the "Leave!" on command to work, I'll have it licked!

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RE: on command? - 9/22/2005 1:40:03 PM

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quote:

I personally think orgasms should be enjoyed for what they are and that too many people put focus on the HAVING of the orgasm that they lose the pleasure of them.

Some woman are capable of having an orgasm on command, most in my opinion are not; much as many woman are incapable of having and orgasm from penetration lacking clitoral stimilation.
I have attempted this much to my chagrin, first off most woman can fake an orgasm and a man can never tell. Secondly if she orgasms in spite of the command not to, everyone has missed the" true pleasure" that Emerald stated so well above.
Once I tied a slave, spread eagle to a bed, turned the DVD player on to a porno scene that I knew aroused her, placed a vib (not turned on) between her legs, closed the door and told her not to cum until I returned.
She had I was told and I could also hear, one of the most intense orgasms ever, and I missed it.

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RE: on command? - 9/22/2005 1:41:09 PM

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Ummmm, actually the more I think about it, the more confusing I think it may all be for a sub.................How will she know if she's cumming or going?

Guess I'll just leave this topic alone.

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RE: on command? - 9/22/2005 2:42:53 PM

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I've trained three women to come on command (one of whom I still own), and know several others who have been trained to come on command at some point in their lives. So it's true. People aren't just making it up.

What people rarely stress, however, is that it's not always possible, and that it comes with risks that most people don't think about seriously before they start. (I believe I've written about this before, but it was a while ago.) First of all, two of the women soon found it impossible to come WITHOUT my command, and one of them admitted to me a few years after I had last seen her that she STILL couldn't come. I believe her. So don't start monkeying around with coming on command, either as a sub or as a dom, unless you've thought clearly about what's going to happen after you're no longer together (or even what's going to happen if you do remain together but have to be apart for some length of time). There are some personal accounts to be found on the web (do a search); of course it's impossible to verify whether these people are telling the truth, but some of them sound awfully genuine to me.

Second, there's no guaranteed method of success that I've been able to uncover, and I strongly doubt there is one waiting to be uncovered. You have to know your sub and figure out what will work and what won't. And it takes time and patience. Few women are able to come without physical stimulation under any circumstances (face it, some women can't come regularly even WITH physical stimulation), and adding on the layer of coming on command is going to be that much more difficult. So it's not as though women who can come on command are better or more submissive than women who can't.

But the three in my experience are all very proud of themselves and very glad that they were trained.

Lam

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RE: on command? - 9/22/2005 3:25:53 PM

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The answer is yes it is possiable to train sub to cum on command I have trained amore than a few am I going to tell you how I did it? Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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RE: on command? - 9/22/2005 3:51:43 PM

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This is one of those things that I've always been skeptical about.

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RE: on command? - 9/22/2005 4:33:17 PM

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I believe its completely possible...I'm currently being trained for such and I've gotten to the point where I'm very close to needing no physical contact.

What people forget that the orgasm occurs in the brain NOT in the genitals.This is why some women can come from nipple stroking/pinching alone.

I would imagine that it helps if the sub orgasms easily to begin with (as I do.) I can orgasm from the slightest touch of my nipples, my clit, my vagina, or my anus..it doesn't take much.

I can't cum with no stimulation yet,but I can with the very barest of stimulation and I don't think its much of stretch to think that I will soon be able to cum on command...

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RE: on command? - 9/22/2005 6:04:55 PM

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This just landed here, not in response to specifics, but generally......

Let me have complete jursidiction over that little cumbucket you call a brain long enough and you will own up to burning the Riechstag. (and also believe that you actually did it) ......

(for my friends cello and MrKite)

OH, true enough...........

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RE: on command? - 9/22/2005 7:26:15 PM

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I know for me, breathing at a certain pace will do it. Also I use some tantric ways I suppose in achieving orgasm without being touched. It's something I've been able to do naturally for over 20 years. There are also different kinds of orgasm. One of which is like an energy buzz going all through your body. It's quite amazing when achieved. And yes, the body can spasm during that time, but may not spasm totally also. It really depends on the person as well.

And males can be taught multiorgasm as well. It's not just for females.

Evilsgirl, In the Anita Blake books by Laurell K Hamilton there is a male character in the series that was deeply into BDSM and wasn't allowed by his first mistress to orgasm without her permission. I found that an interesting idea as I'd never heard of it till then.

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RE: on command? - 9/22/2005 8:24:43 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: HentaiGamerKitty
What people forget that the orgasm occurs in the brain NOT in the genitals.This is why some women can come from nipple stroking/pinching alone.

Yes and no.

I have had orgasms with no direct physical stimulation. I masturbated every day from when I was about 10 but wasn't able to have an orgasm from it until I was 18. Before that I had two orgasms, both while sleeping.

BUT if I want to have an orgasm consciously, I need physical stimulation, of the right kind, speed, pressure and consistency.

I ALSO need the right emotional secure environment.

Without one or the other, orgasms won't happen for me. And I think for a lot of women that's the case, brain chemistry mixed with physical stimulation is the orgasms control box. If you work hard and directly on it enough, you can rewire things differently for some women. And some, without any work at all, can orgasm at the drop of a hat with hardly any stimulation at all.

To describe the female orgasm is anything but simple or generalized.

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RE: on command? - 9/23/2005 12:19:04 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: HentaiGamerKitty
What people forget that the orgasm occurs in the brain NOT in the genitals.

I guess this gives a whole new meaning to "mindfucking", huh?

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RE: on command? - 9/23/2005 2:11:45 AM

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If, and I stress IF I have the right girl, orgasm on command will be part of her training. However she will be required to get to the point of orgasm and then hold it until given permission to release. As with many things I train people for, I use clear simple steps which can be modified (like allowing her to orgasm without any commands) or reversed if we were in a separation stage. No I’m not about to teach my techniques.

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RE: on command? - 9/23/2005 5:31:26 AM

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We are working on it - but time and place are definitely contributors! It isn't like we are ditty-bopping through the mall and I am told to have an orgasm - that just would not work. Can it be done? yup. Can it be faked? not in my case, as goosebumps are difficult to fake.

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