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US may be drawn into South American war - 3/3/2008 8:19:59 AM

cyberdude611

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Hugo Chavez has sent a massive troop build-up on the Venezuelan-Columbia border including tanks and artillery, and threatens to declare war.

Columbia is considered a US ally, and American troops are currently in Columbia helping the government fight against FARC guerrillas.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8V5H5TG1&show_article=1

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RE: US may be drawn into South American war - 3/3/2008 8:24:09 AM

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What exactly will happen if we are drawn into war down there? Last I heard, the Republicans had committed most of our military to play in the sand in Iraq for the next 100 years.

Are the left-wing people the only one's intelligent enough to have seen this one coming?

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RE: US may be drawn into South American war - 3/3/2008 8:35:45 AM

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Are war and economic mismanagement the only things Republicans are capable of?

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RE: US may be drawn into South American war - 3/3/2008 8:44:44 AM

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I dont see how it is any of our business. --does Columbia have oil? --at the moment we are busy in Iraq- we might be free'd up in 100 years.

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RE: US may be drawn into South American war - 3/3/2008 8:56:26 AM

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Wait, so if they do have oil it's our business?

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RE: US may be drawn into South American war - 3/3/2008 8:59:44 AM

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China will back Venezuala, as well Europe.

We have Colombia as an ally.

This has no good outcomes for the US.

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RE: US may be drawn into South American war - 3/3/2008 9:02:11 AM

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Greetings Sinergy,

You know Sinergy, I watch you toss your verbal spit wads around the place and with your spiteful comments such as "dipshit in chief "you really have no idea how your credibility suffers. You sound like a small kid that hasn't been getting his way and now instead of addressing an issue you toss about speculative ridicule and chaste.

The sad part is, while you don't appear clueless it is obvious that your comments are merely politically motivated and seem to have at best, only limited concern for the issue at hand, or its possible solutions. Hell you could be a Congressmen if you wanted to be.

Stop putting spin on all the comments you hear. I'll report you to Billy O.

Now don't believe everything your political advisors are spewing on the TV. If you think for one minute that our Military would have trouble assisting an ally on this side of the globe you are drinking a tad bit too much koolaid. Saddam made the same poorly informed calculations that Hugo is making. The only type of engagement our Military would have a time facing is the Chinese hoard, and possibly the Russians. But that has always been an issue. Make no mistake about it, the Pentagon has a stategy for our dear friend Hugo.

So you think that only the Left, the side you are seemingly an exhuberant member of are that much smarter than everyone else? This has little to do with political affiliation, this is the world at work. Hold on my good man, the ride can be bumpy at times.

Hugo makes noise during election cycles, nothing new about that; I'm sure the Pentagon would love a reason to shut him the fuck up.

Do you play chess?

Bull

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

What exactly will happen if we are drawn into war down there? Last I heard, the Republicans had committed most of our military to play in the sand in Iraq for the next 100 years.

Are the left-wing people the only one's intelligent enough to have seen this one coming?

Sinergy

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RE: US may be drawn into South American war - 3/3/2008 9:11:36 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy

China will back Venezuala, as well Europe.

We have Colombia as an ally.

This has no good outcomes for the US.

Sinergy

The problem for Venezuela is that the US owns the technology to refine Venezuelan crude oil. No other nation in the world has the refineries to refine that particular type of crude, which has certain odd chracteristics. So the US could eceonomically disable Venezuela very quickly and that right there may be what prevents Chavez from pulling the trigger.

It's also very unlikely Brazil, Argentina, and Peru line up with Chavez when push comes to shove. And those nations are supplying China with building materials, so I doubt China says a word.

Europe? Europe has had practically no say in our hemisphere in over a century due to the Monroe doctrine. That wont change.

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RE: US may be drawn into South American war - 3/3/2008 9:13:15 AM

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I get this suspicion that Mr Chavez might be getting played like a fiddle with this one. And not by the Colombians.

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RE: US may be drawn into South American war - 3/3/2008 9:15:09 AM

xBullx

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Let's evaluate some names here shall we?

Beijing, Caracus, Washington, Bogota, Tehran, Havana, Tbilisi, Moscow, Pyongyang, Taipei, and lest we forget Belgrade and Pristina.

This should be interesting.

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

China will back Venezuala, as well Europe.

We have Colombia as an ally.

This has no good outcomes for the US.

Sinergy

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RE: US may be drawn into South American war - 3/3/2008 9:18:55 AM

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Excellent observation Ellen. And the crazy thing is that it would be the USA that most would point their finger of blame at.

Perhaps like a detective it should be evaluated who actually has motive to instigate things in such a fashion.

Bull

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

I get this suspicion that Mr Chavez might be getting played like a fiddle with this one. And not by the Colombians.

E

< Message edited by xBullx -- 3/3/2008 9:19:51 AM >

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RE: US may be drawn into South American war - 3/3/2008 9:26:11 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx

Greetings Sinergy,

You know Sinergy, I watch you toss your verbal spit wads around the place and with your spiteful comments such as "dipshit in chief "you really have no idea how your credibility suffers. You sound like a small kid that hasn't been getting his way and now instead of addressing an issue you toss about speculative ridicule and chaste.

I really dont spend much of my time concerned about how I am perceived by others, xBullx. So your comments about how you perceive my credibility are only marginally interesting to me.

Several days ago, I made a comment at you which you did not appreciate, and said you were going to stop interacting with me. I turned around and apologized, I have since left you alone, xBullx. Now you come back and start calling me names.

If it works for you, knock yourself out.

quote:

The sad part is, while you don't appear clueless it is obvious that your comments are merely politically motivated and seem to have at best, only limited concern for the issue at hand, or its possible solutions. Hell you could be a Congressmen if you wanted to be.

I did not send our military into Iraq in an insanely incompetent blunder that the previous administration studied extensively and determined that it would turn into the clusterfuck it has turned in to.

Now the right have based their campaign on which candidate promises to continue the ruinous policies of George W. Bush and his cabal.

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So you think that only the Left, the side you are seemingly an exhuberant member of are that much smarter than everyone else?

Clinton prevented terrorist attacks in the US and didnt invade Iraq.

The same cannot be said of the George W. Bush, the right wing, and neo-Cons.

The Pentagon had a great plan for Iraq as well. How did that work out for them?

I do play chess. As Dennis Miller pointed out, he likes having a Commander In Chief who plays checkers.

Sinergy

Edited to point out that I used to win Chess tournaments, but after I got rated near a professional level (3Kyu) playing Go, I pretty much lost interest in Chess as being too limited in scope and strategy possibilities. Go is just weird.

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RE: US may be drawn into South American war - 3/3/2008 9:27:38 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx

Excellent observation Ellen. And the crazy thing is that it would be the USA that most would point their finger of blame at.

Bull

You might very well say that; I meanwhile couldnt possibly comment!

E

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RE: US may be drawn into South American war - 3/3/2008 9:34:00 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: wkdshadow

Wait, so if they do have oil it's our business?

Phrazed a different way: those who have commodities/resources [fresh water, crops, gold, metals, trees, etc]
that as the planet population doubles -are an "interest".

So the short answere is yes.

Im not saying it is right. But frankly I dont think the American consumer is serious about reducing consumption.

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RE: US may be drawn into South American war - 3/3/2008 9:37:18 AM

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Clinton prevented terrorist attacks in the US and didnt invade Iraq.

Sinergy,

That statement is factually incorrect. Under President Clinton the World Trade Center, the Federal Building in OKC, and the embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were all bombed or attacked in some manner. Let's not also forget the attack on the USS Cole, or the attempted assassination of former President Bush during a visit to Kuwait.

[sarcasm]

Yes, President Clinton did wonders protecting the people of this country.

[/sarcasm]

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RE: US may be drawn into South American war - 3/3/2008 9:40:29 AM

Sinergy

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quote:

ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

Europe? Europe has had practically no say in our hemisphere in over a century due to the Monroe doctrine. That wont
change.

The main problem the US has with Chavez is his refusal to sell his oil for anything but Euros.

I was not really indicating a military issue with Europe, but that amount of Euros means a lot for the value of their currency.

Sinergy

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RE: US may be drawn into South American war - 3/3/2008 9:41:09 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
does Columbia have oil?

It has cocaine, and thus is of a huge financial interest to the evil presidents of the USA.

Root & Brown owns and leases one billion squre meters of ground in Clombia in a joint venture with the Antioquia drug syndicate in obvious preparation of preparing a bridgehead for USA troops. We may suspect that the USA will attack Venezuela in any case, but an attack by Venezuela against Colombia may hasten the conquest by the USA of oil rich Venezuela.

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RE: US may be drawn into South American war - 3/3/2008 9:41:40 AM

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And what does Sinergy call Desert Storm? While he didn't initiate it, we were still there until 95.

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RE: US may be drawn into South American war - 3/3/2008 9:52:36 AM

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Greetings again,

I did stop talking to you in that thread when it seemed you had no intention of truly discussing an issue and only demanding that I recognize your position as the one true truth. It also seems hard to accept there was any sincerity in your apology since you drug it out to use in this thread as if it was some sort of political leverage in this thread.

In this thread I stated some facts. I never attacted you unjustly, or even all that harshly. I don't happen to agree with you, or many of your tactics.

You never cease with your pushing forward your political agenda, even at the expense of your credibility or the civility of the thread you are addressing. While my opinion may not be important to you, your credibility surely must be or you wouldn't even be posting responses to me or to anyone else for that matter, you would just ramble on like a crazy man. Hmmm, I'll have to ponder a bit more on that comment.

I don't believe I called you a name either, unless you found it offensive to be spoken of in the same light as a Congressmen.

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Clinton prevented terrorist attacks in the US and didnt invade Iraq.

While clinton didn't Invade Iraq, are you sure you want to stand by the first half of that comment? I mean if you want to blame Bush for shortcomings he shared with the Clinton administration surely you would do the same for Mr. Clinton.

Remember I'm not politically motivate as you seem to be. I don't give a shit about parties, elephants or donkeys. I'm an American and your argument is falling short from where I sit.

The way I see it, there is plenty of blame to go around. The mirror has a rather remarkable way of indentifying the culpret in the heart of oh so many matters.

So all this time, it wasn't that you were considering my points as having substance or merit you were just being nice to me, you didn't consider my input as a follow man perhaps worried about the same things and perhaps I simply disagree with some of your comments? Interesting.....

Live well,

Bull

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RE: US may be drawn into South American war - 3/3/2008 9:52:36 AM

Sinergy

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quote:

ORIGINAL: airborne92

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy

Clinton prevented terrorist attacks in the US and didnt invade Iraq.

Sinergy,

That statement is factually incorrect. Under President Clinton the World Trade Center,

The bomb that didnt work.

quote:

the Federal Building in OKC,

A non Al Qaeda whacko nutjob American.

quote:

and the embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were all bombed or attacked in some manner. Let's not also forget the attack on the USS Cole, or the attempted assassination of former President Bush during a visit to Kuwait.

All took place in areas where the US has limited control.

Are you willing to concede the point that none of these terrorist attacks comes near the scope and devastation of 9/11?

quote:

[sarcasm]

Yes, President Clinton did wonders protecting the people of this country.

[/sarcasm]

[sarcasm]

At least he didnt destroy the economy being a huge failure like the Dipshit in Chief.

[/sarcasm]

Sinergy

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