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RE: US may be drawn into South American war - 3/5/2008 4:47:18 PM   
RealityLicks


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Should never have messed with the Monroe Doctrine? My grammar is pretty suspect as usual, too but you know what I mean.

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RE: US may be drawn into South American war - 3/5/2008 5:52:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

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I was EHS (Environmental Health and Safety) at ARCO before BP bought them, LOL but I worked at the lab that did enhanced recovery research for the prudogh bay and some other areas.

Refining not my strong suit either but I did learn a thing or two about crude oil and the various grades. and the product percentages you get from them.

Another thing about sour/ heavey/ extra heavey crude is the percentage of gasoline you get per barrel of crude.
lighter oils (light sweet) you get 30% or so gasoline and such products when you move to sour you drop down closer to 10 or 15%, and when you get down to extra heavy you get 5% gasoline.
A major reason we still get so much from the middle east, (very light sweet).

I was all ERRD (Enhanced Recovery Research Department) when I was w/ Shell in Bellaire. Chemical stuff. Some polymer work, mostly alkaline (alk foams too) and surfactant experiments, and a pilot project in Whie Castle. LA, south of Red Stick. Had 3 labs devoted to it. Alkaline was usually Silicates, OH- converts petroleum acids to soaps, soaps form a high-viscosity emulsion which drives out the oil in front of it. Had up to around 80% recovery under lab conditions (low pressure, formation temp, unconsolidated medium). Had to work up a wet lab silicate analytical technique derived from some Russian inorganic chem journal (pre-interwebs, library was most engineering/geology/metallurgy/organic chem stuff). Interesting stuff.

In-situ cat-cracking will probably be used extensively in heavy-crude formations soon (if it isn't already; I'd have to do the research).


Guys... could you get just a tiny little bit more technical please  ?

Nah, they know it makes us nerdettes hawt hawt hawt!

thornhappy

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RE: US may be drawn into South American war - 3/7/2008 6:46:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks



Should never have messed with the Monroe Doctrine? My grammar is pretty suspect as usual, too but you know what I mean.


RealityLicks:
Your grammar is secondary to your lack of understanding of the form and function of the Monroe Doctrine.
thompson





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RE: US may be drawn into South American war - 3/7/2008 9:26:23 AM   
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OK Could have sworn that Chavez's country was not infringed on by the actions Colombia took. (1.5 mile incurssion into Equador while chasing rebels).
Last I checked Equador was not part of Venezuela. So Thompson if Venezuela attacked Colombia they would be at the very best defending a neighbor and ally
The US would be pretty much obligated to provide some military assistance in that case, since Colombia is a US ally.


But you are correct in that the Monroe Doctrine would not apply as it was set up to prevent Eastern Hemipshere/ european counrties from attacking Countries in the Americas.


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RE: US may be drawn into South American war - 3/7/2008 10:01:42 AM   
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OK Could have sworn that Chavez's country was not infringed on by the actions Colombia took. (1.5 mile incurssion into Equador while chasing rebels).
Last I checked Equador was not part of Venezuela. So Thompson if Venezuela attacked Colombia they would be at the very best defending a neighbor and ally
The US would be pretty much obligated to provide some military assistance in that case, since Colombia is a US ally.


But you are correct in that the Monroe Doctrine would not apply as it was set up to prevent Eastern Hemipshere/ european counrties from attacking Countries in the Americas.


Archer:
I think you are making some assumptions that may not be warranted.  Venezuela has not attacked nor threatened to attack Columbia.  What the cite says is that Chavez has moved troops and equipment to the boarder in the event that Columbia were to attack Venezuela as it did Ecuador.  Columbia is the aggressor here not Venezuela.  Columbia was not chasing rebels.  The article states that they attacked FARQ while they were asleep.  I do not have a problem with attacking an enemy when they are asleep the problem here is that Columbia crossed an international boarder and attacked a sovereign nation which it was not at war with.  They were not in "hot pursuit" of anyone.
What would you want the president Bush to do if say Cuba were to send its Army into Miami and do a similar "bang bang shoot em up" against some real or imagined enemy of the Cuban state?
I am unaware of any treaty that the U.S. has with Columbia which would allow or require us to come to their aid in the case of a military confrontation with one of their neighbors.  If you know of one please disabuse me of my ignorance.
I am afraid you may have misinterpreted the purpose of the Monroe Doctrine and its corollaries.  Essentially it is a statement by the U.S. that proposes that we have the right to interfere in the internal affairs of any country in the western hemisphere at will. 
Now just because someone says something does not give it force of law.  It is simply being a bully.  If you are comfortable with that then what happens if the shoe should be put on the other foot.  Suppose that another western hemisphere nation were to become more militarily powerful than the U.S. and they did not like the result of one of our elections.  Would you agree that it would be OK for them to come in and depose the legal government and install one of their own liking?
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