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TracyTaken -> RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. (3/6/2008 7:19:01 AM)
quote: If you wish to make peace with practitioners of the Abrahamic religions you excoriate, however, you might find it practicable to refrain from saying so. I don't wish to make peace with practitioners. I want a country where the most intelligent (and most honest) among us stand a chance of holding office. Of 453 members of the U.S. Congress, only one is openly atheist. When compared with the American population, which consists of 14% non believers, I can only conclude that many politicians have to lie about their religious beliefs to get elected. I think that's a problem. Of the top scientists (those invited to the National Academy of Sciences) 7.5% believe in a personal god, 20% are agnostic and the rest are atheists. Zero in on biologists, and it's close to 95% atheists. Those people could not hold office today, but then neither could Lincoln or Jefferson. I think that's a problem. With probably the richest intelligencia in the world, American religious fanaticism leaves us with Bush as president. I think that's a problem. Do you know that 43 studies have been done in the last 80 years to compare religious beliefs and intelligence. They overwhelmingly found an inverse relation (the more intelligent a person is, the less likely that person is to hold religious beliefs. But maybe we all should just play nice nice. I think it's good to rock the boat! I do not like being demonized for doing so, but I'll do it anyway.

TracyTaken -> RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. (3/6/2008 7:21:37 AM)
quote: I look at the world's religions the way I look at the world's foods. I like some things, others are just yuk, and some of it I wouldn't even touch with your fork. It's like food, eh? I'd have to categorize you as typically American (read: Ignorant of the facts).

celticlord2112 -> RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. (3/6/2008 7:21:57 AM)
quote: I don't wish to make peace with practitioners. Then you should be quite happy with the current state of affairs. War is your desire. War is the result. Although how that supports your "intelligence" argument is a mystery to me.

TracyTaken -> RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. (3/6/2008 7:23:14 AM)
quote: Imagine some bunch of nuts insulting people, hating them and even killing them, because they think hagis is disgusting. And did you not in a nutshell just make an analogy of the history of religion in the Western world?

celticlord2112 -> RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. (3/6/2008 7:28:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TracyTaken quote: Imagine some bunch of nuts insulting people, hating them and even killing them, because they think hagis is disgusting. And did you not in a nutshell just make an analogy of the history of religion in the Western world? No, he did not.

brainiacsub -> RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. (3/6/2008 7:36:31 AM)
Stella, there are so many things wrong with what you said that I would have to write a dissertation to counter it all. But I won't; I'll pick just two. quote: ORIGINAL: stella41b [...snip...] Feel free to continue advocating the fight and struggle for what remains of the world's resources but wouldn't it be much better to accept a greater degree of social responsibility and learn to share with others the resources left and actually work towards fighting poverty and crime? First, I am not an advocate for war. I only said that it is in our nature and if we are going to fight for our own survival, I want to be on the winning side. I am an advocate for social responsibility, both domestically and abroad, but it doesn't change the fact that with each generation, more and more people will be competing for fewer and fewer resources. Conservation now is a good start, but will only delay the inevitable. Our only hope is that any real effort toward conservation will buy us enough time to allow the technology to catch up and save our sorry asses. quote: We talk of democracy and freedom but yet are happy to vote for governments who are out of touch with the needs of the people they represent. We have voted for a government that is very much in touch with the needs of the people. That is part of the problem. We enjoy one of the highest standards of living in the world, and any government that mandates, or even suggests, the people limit themselves to say 25 glns of gas per week, or pay $6.00/gln, or eat out only twice per month, or never throw away edible food, or stop buying electronics, cars, yet another outfit or pair of shoes and instead give that money to the poor, would not stay elected for long. The problem is not our government, it is the people. No, the role for government is to set policy that will encourage, not stifle, innovation and research in to solving this and other problems. Oil and gas is very profitable business right now and I want a government that will see beyond that and not allow the energy lobby to dictate policy. On a final note, don't be so naive Stella, to think that if the US laid down it's arms and decided to make 'peace' with the world, that the world would necessarily want to make peace with us. When push comes to shove, humans are as savage a creature as has ever roamed this earth. It's best that we not forget that.

colouredin -> RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. (3/6/2008 7:43:45 AM)
I love how in a debate like this people use the terms right and wrong like somehow in relation to poltics suddenly everything is black and white rather than an opinion which is what it is. No matter how much logic you throw at someone they can always throw it back, and because its an issue that people feel for they will do it ten times harder. When i did history at uni I loved how you could so easily argue both sides we actually had a debate about the russian power struggle and stalin STILL won despite the fact that we knew about what happened afterwards. I dont agree with the war in iraq, i havent since day one I have many reasons for it, and I know that one of the things it has done has created huge divides between people in terms of their opinions, in England the general consensus has become to hate America, something that I dont agree with but everyone has to shuffle blame somewhere, which is fundementally why the war started in the first place. We can all argue semantics and "well this is how the world work" and that is what always makes me saddest, sure its how the world works that doesnt make it good or right, and if we all lie down then yeah it will carry on fucking us.

kittinSol -> RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. (3/6/2008 7:49:16 AM)
Meanwhile, the maniac who wrote the OP is still running.

TracyTaken -> RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. (3/6/2008 7:56:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: TracyTaken quote: Imagine some bunch of nuts insulting people, hating them and even killing them, because they think hagis is disgusting. And did you not in a nutshell just make an analogy of the history of religion in the Western world? No, he did not. History is ripe with this: quote: Imagine some bunch of nuts insulting people, hating them and even killing them, because they think hagis is disgusting. Can you name a case which did not involve religion?

colouredin -> RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. (3/6/2008 7:58:39 AM)
WW2? WW1 for that matter

Bound2One -> RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. (3/6/2008 8:02:47 AM)
Korean War? Vietnam War? Hell, the Cold War too...

colouredin -> RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. (3/6/2008 8:07:00 AM)
American independance, american civil war, french cival war

brainiacsub -> RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. (3/6/2008 8:13:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver Weird justification for war. When I first started reading this post I thought aah! someone who has a little national self reflection, someone who dares to look in the mirror and not flinch at what she sees. Lady, the world owes America nothing, you could say American innovation, advancement in science and technology are for a large part down to European born and educated scientists and inventors. You know, like Nazi rocket scientists (I jest but not completely). The US is part of a western culture that has exploited, murdered and enslaved people for hundreds of years. You have troops in something like 50 countries in the world, not for US defence but for the enforcement of free trade (largely unfair one way free trade), the same imperial aims of the British Empire. Of course China is the nation that appears to be the one that in the future will have the power to challenge the US, which is the reason for much anti-Chinese hysteria in the American media. The idea that the west is somehow a benigh culture doesn't hold up to a modicum of scrutiny. The west has proved to be the most venal and blood thirsty of all cultures. Yes, other cultures aren't full of peace loving hippies but it is the west that conquered much of the world, imposed its world view on most of the globe and has been happy to slaughter anyone who disagrees. The oil you fight over IS NOT YOURS. If a country invaded the US for its natural resources you wouldn't call them law abiding and civilised, not matter what the fuck they invented or discovered and you wouldn't consider they needed thanking for the privilege of conquering you. You know, your first impression of me was correct. I am not above acknowledging the painful truth about myself and my country when warranted. But unlike you, I am above spewing hateful venom and diatribe unsupported by history or the facts. Your view was rather 'unbalanced.' I am a pragmatist and realist. I see the world as it is, and try to work within those realities to solve problems. And for the record, I never created a justification for war, I only said that it was inevitable.

celticlord2112 -> RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. (3/6/2008 8:21:14 AM)
quote: History is ripe with this: quote: Imagine some bunch of nuts insulting people, hating them and even killing them, because they think hagis is disgusting. Can you name a case which did not involve religion? Culloden, 1746

DesertRat -> RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. (3/6/2008 8:33:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: brainiacsub I believe in being good stewards of our planet - conservation, preservation, moderation, etc. Americans...we are the greediest and most wasteful sons of bitches on the planet. But the world owes a debt of gratitude for all the innovation and advancement in science and technology introduced by this country in the last 300 yrs. Oooo...I get to have my cake and eat it, too? Cool! Maybe no one will notice the hypocrisy. quote: We also have to accept our share of the responsibility when the fruits of our ambitions are realized at the great expense of others... Okay...so as long as we say we're sorry, we can do whatever we want? That's the philosophy of the typical abuser, isn't it? quote: It will take the best and worst this country has to offer in order to solve this problem. This is not a question of technology, policy, or morality - it is one of economics. Where there is money to be made, there you will find the solution. Policy and even morality will adapt... So settle down; we're torturing you for your own good. And we just had to kill your mom and kids, too. You'll thanks us someday. quote: I am not an apologist for war, but I believe it is in our nature. No contradiction there...nosiree. Care for another cup of tea/no tea? quote: I want to bet on the biggest, baddest, nastiest, mother fucker with GPS laser guided armour piercing bunker buster bombs strapped to his back to get my piece of maggot infested entrail... Wow, that's really something to be proud of. Shout it from the rooftops!! Bob

came4U -> RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. (3/6/2008 8:36:17 AM)
this post is as disgusting as the puppy toss thread.

kittinSol -> RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. (3/6/2008 8:39:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesertRat quote: I want to bet on the biggest, baddest, nastiest, mother fucker with GPS laser guided armour piercing bunker buster bombs strapped to his back to get my piece of maggot infested entrail... Wow, that's really something to be proud of. Shout it from the rooftops!! That's what too many Schwarzenegger movies does for you [8\|] .

juliaoceania -> RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. (3/6/2008 8:41:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KatyLied Say no to spam email! Ha Ha!

JerryFrankster -> RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. (3/6/2008 8:43:37 AM)
We don't need to wait for technology to replace oil as an energy source. We already have it. The only reason we still use fossil energy is because the sustainable energy technology we have today produces energy at a higher cost than petroleum based energy.

kittinSol -> RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. (3/6/2008 8:48:23 AM)
Meanwhile, the psycho housewife from New Jersey is still on the run. Has anybody called an ambulance yet?

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