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farglebargle -> AT&T Spies OWE YOU $146,000!!! (3/6/2008 4:08:01 AM)
http://www.thelegality.com/archives/26 quote: Code provision 50 U.S.C. § 1810 imposes civil liability on any person (or entity) for each violation of FISA. Victims of illegal surveillance are entitled to recover $100 for each day they were wiretapped, or actual damages over $1000, whichever is greater. Additionally, FISA provides compensation for attorney’s fees and other costs of litigation. . . As you may imagine, one hundred dollars per day, per person adds up over four years. If the Hepting lawsuit is successful, AT&T could face damages of over $36,500 per claimant per year. Nearly every person with a computer or phone in the United States could be impacted. AT&T serves 14.2 million broadband customers and roughly 70 million landline users. If they were forced to pay $146,000 to each landline customer, AT&T could be facing a total legal liability cost of $10,220,000,000,000.

domahpet -> RE: AT&T Spies OWE YOU $146,000!!! (3/6/2008 7:00:57 AM)
so how do we find out if and when we were tapped?

thompsonx -> RE: AT&T Spies OWE YOU $146,000!!! (3/6/2008 7:12:35 AM)
I want mine in cash...I don't take checks from criminals. thompson

luckydog1 -> RE: AT&T Spies OWE YOU $146,000!!! (3/6/2008 10:21:27 AM)
Dhomapet, the definition of tapped in this case is expanded to include having the numbers checked against a list of suspect numbers, when the call is going through. Its the only possible way to intercept the proper calls. Wiretapping does not involve going out and directly tapping into the wire coming out a suspects home or office. We don't have physical direct lines anymore. Modern routers and such do the job. So if you made a phone call or sent a data packet, it got checked to see if it was from or to a suspect Number or adress, every single one of them. Once you accept the expanded definition...you realise that every wiretapp ever done was illegal, and the USA must be destroyed. Follow Farg and you may get 146,000 some US dollars, which of course would be worthless after the USA goes bye bye.

faerytattoodgirl -> RE: AT&T Spies OWE YOU $146,000!!! (3/6/2008 10:29:36 AM)
it depends....should i take off the wire now???? listening to you is like free phone sex LOL [:D][:D][:D][:D]

Mercnbeth -> RE: AT&T Spies OWE YOU $146,000!!! (3/6/2008 11:27:57 AM)
quote: AT&T Spies OWE YOU $146,000!!! I called and tried to get one of those companies that provide immediate payouts for litigation awards and they said they wouldn't pay anything if I wanted to turn over my "rights" to this reward. I now have it on Craig's List as an auction item and have a current bit of $0.03. Better than I can expect from this story. Besides, I've given up on waiting for these kinda things since I got burned by the Microsoft lottery scam: quote: Finally, Today, we announce the results of the MICROSOFT E-MAIL LOTTERY DRAWS held on February 24th, 2008. Your E-mail address attached to winning number YM09788, With serial number 647489, consequently won in the Tenth category. Since the draw was conducted through zonal batching of the emails sampled, and the globe was divided, in this instance, into two zones, You are hereby notified that your winning falls under Europe Zone, and hence you are to be paid by our European Payment Centre.You have been approved for lump sums pay out of £500,000.00 British Pounds Sterling in Certified Cheque Credited to Mercnbeth I guess they got our email the last time we traveled to Europe. However I NEVER got it! And with the current exchange rate - I wasted time checking the money markets every day! However, I'd be happy to open the bidding for this $146,000 on CM. Fargle - I'll have my lawyer draw up the papers and sell it to you for a rounded up 10% of the face value - $15,000. I'll give you until the end of the day. After that - the first $15k offer we get (Certified funds only please to my Nigerian Based Bank) can have it. Hurry - this will make a wonderful addition to your Easter Holiday Basket.

wkdshadow -> RE: AT&T Spies OWE YOU $146,000!!! (3/6/2008 1:59:09 PM)
Essentially all internet traffic in the US was tapped, because somewhere along the route to a server, you're going to hit AT&T fiber. They were also running promisc at the peering points, meaning that even some traffic that didn't run down AT&T fiber officially still hit the taps.

farglebargle -> RE: AT&T Spies OWE YOU $146,000!!! (3/6/2008 3:48:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domahpet so how do we find out if and when we were tapped? If you're in the United States you've been tapped. The way the technology works, is that they install an "Optical Splitter" right on the network backbone, and *ALL* traffic is copied over to the Government servers. Without a warrant.

Alumbrado -> RE: AT&T Spies OWE YOU $146,000!!! (3/6/2008 8:00:05 PM)
Sort of like yelling out the window and being upset when the cops hear you.... FB's imaginary 'Constitutional right to privacy in public places'.

GreedyTop -> RE: AT&T Spies OWE YOU $146,000!!! (3/6/2008 8:02:05 PM)
damn... I sure could use that 146K right about now.....

wkdshadow -> RE: AT&T Spies OWE YOU $146,000!!! (3/7/2008 12:24:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado Sort of like yelling out the window and being upset when the cops hear you.... FB's imaginary 'Constitutional right to privacy in public places'. No. Like the cops listening into every telephone conversation you have, without a warrant. Or opening every letter at the post office before forwarding it to it's destination.

thompsonx -> RE: AT&T Spies OWE YOU $146,000!!! (3/7/2008 3:45:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado Sort of like yelling out the window and being upset when the cops hear you.... FB's imaginary 'Constitutional right to privacy in public places'. Alumbrado: If phone calls are in the public domain why are/were warrants necessary for wire taps? thompson

farglebargle -> RE: AT&T Spies OWE YOU $146,000!!! (3/7/2008 3:59:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado Sort of like yelling out the window and being upset when the cops hear you.... FB's imaginary 'Constitutional right to privacy in public places'. See the 9th and 10th Amendments for details on the UNENUMERATED RIGHTS. We are, of course, discussing **THE LAW** under 50 U.S.C. § 1810 here. I don't understand your attempt to steer the conversation away from their clearly defined LEGAL LIABILITY onto some nebulous discussion of Constitutional Principles. If they didn't BREAK THE LAW, why do they want Immunity from Prosecution for their crimes? Because they don't want to write YOU a check for $140,000. ( Which after the Class Action, would be settled for a Month Credit and a Ringtone. ) It's the principle of the thing. We are either a Nation of Laws, or we are NOTHING.

farglebargle -> RE: AT&T Spies OWE YOU $146,000!!! (3/7/2008 4:05:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wkdshadow quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado Sort of like yelling out the window and being upset when the cops hear you.... FB's imaginary 'Constitutional right to privacy in public places'. No. Like the cops listening into every telephone conversation you have, without a warrant. Or opening every letter at the post office before forwarding it to it's destination. Some would say that the Internet is analogous to a Postcard, and that it can be read by everyone along the way -- There is no expectation of privacy. I would suggest that that analogy is fundamentally flawed, unlike the post office, THERE ARE NO HUMAN SPIES along the way unless they explicitly insert themselves somewhere. The casual inspection ( as with a Postcard ) does not exist. It takes an Intentional Act to conduct surveillance on the Internet. The Postcard Metaphor is inappropriate. What would be nice, would be if the people I'm in a BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP with, would act HONORABLY and keep my Confidential Correspondence private, ****IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW****. That's the kicker here. We're not talking about some nebulous concept the Supreme Court needs to decide. The statute is clear. The principle of honoring your commitment to your customers is clear. And they've clearly been violated -- to an absurd degree.

Alumbrado -> RE: AT&T Spies OWE YOU $146,000!!! (3/7/2008 4:42:08 AM)
If your analogy is fundamentally flawed, then why did you use it?

Alumbrado -> RE: AT&T Spies OWE YOU $146,000!!! (3/7/2008 4:48:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wkdshadow quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado Sort of like yelling out the window and being upset when the cops hear you.... FB's imaginary 'Constitutional right to privacy in public places'. No. Like the cops listening into every telephone conversation you have, without a warrant. Or opening every letter at the post office before forwarding it to it's destination. Telephone conversations and sealed mail are defined by the courts as protected private communications. Yelling out a window, or posting on an internet forum, are clearly intended to be public communications. Please show me the Constitutional requirement that the police have a warrant in order to use something that the sender has knowingly made available to the public at large.

farglebargle -> RE: AT&T Spies OWE YOU $146,000!!! (3/7/2008 4:50:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado If your analogy is fundamentally flawed, then why did you use it? It's not my analogy. quote: Some would say that the Internet is analogous to a Postcard, and that it can be read by everyone along the way -- There is no expectation of privacy. See the "Some would say"? That's the traditional argument against a default stance of Honor, Privacy, Abiding by The Law and Confidentiality when it comes to telecommunications. It's not exchanging postcards. It IS putting taps on our phone calls, web browsing, Instant Messaging, etc. Without a Court Order, that's a Crime.

farglebargle -> RE: AT&T Spies OWE YOU $146,000!!! (3/7/2008 4:55:41 AM)
quote: Telephone conversations and sealed mail are defined by the courts as protected private communications. Yelling out a window, or posting on an internet forum, are clearly intended to be public communications. What about your WEB SITE VISITS (Collarme Internal Email?) , INSTANT MESSAGING, or PRIVATE EMAIL, excepting Mailing Lists, Usenet, IRC, etc... I will repeat that. AT&T and The Government are UNLAWFULLY intercepting YOUR "PRIVATE" COLLARME.COM EMAIL. They are *CLEARLY* *NOT* intended for wide consumption. Why are they *UNLAWFULLY* intercepting them and compiling dossiers on your Website Traffic, Private Emails and Instant Messaging. You cannot compare sending a Private Email or IM to "Yelling out a window", OR "Posting to an internet forum"... ( However, we might wish to consider the implications of using a PSEUDONYM as an exercise of a Right to Privacy. I think maybe the precedent might be the Federalist Papers.... )

Griswold -> RE: AT&T Spies OWE YOU $146,000!!! (3/7/2008 4:59:32 AM)
(Well...I was pretty certain SOMEONE owed me $146,000.00...I just never got the actual name before...thanks).

Alumbrado -> RE: AT&T Spies OWE YOU $146,000!!! (3/7/2008 5:14:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado If your analogy is fundamentally flawed, then why did you use it? It's not my analogy. quote: Some would say that the Internet is analogous to a Postcard, and that it can be read by everyone along the way -- There is no expectation of privacy. See the "Some would say"? That's the traditional argument against a default stance of Honor, Privacy, Abiding by The Law and Confidentiality when it comes to telecommunications. It's not exchanging postcards. It IS putting taps on our phone calls, web browsing, Instant Messaging, etc. Without a Court Order, that's a Crime. Your analogy originates in your post...straw or not, you own it and its flaws. And just because some computer communications are private does not create the reasonable expectation of privacy for all internet data. Note that by inserting the Constitutional standard of 'reasonable', I've eliminated your personal opinion as the legal benchmark.... again.

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