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Code provision 50 U.S.C. § 1810 imposes civil liability on any person (or entity) for each violation of FISA. Victims of illegal surveillance are entitled to recover $100 for each day they were wiretapped, or actual damages over $1000, whichever is greater. Additionally, FISA provides compensation for attorney’s fees and other costs of litigation. . . As you may imagine, one hundred dollars per day, per person adds up over four years. If the Hepting lawsuit is successful, AT&T could face damages of over $36,500 per claimant per year. Nearly every person with a computer or phone in the United States could be impacted.
AT&T serves 14.2 million broadband customers and roughly 70 million landline users. If they were forced to pay $146,000 to each landline customer, AT&T could be facing a total legal liability cost of $10,220,000,000,000.

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ORIGINAL: domahpet

so how do we find out if and when we were tapped?

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Sort of like yelling out the window and being upset when the cops hear you.... FB's imaginary 'Constitutional right to privacy in public places'.

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Sort of like yelling out the window and being upset when the cops hear you.... FB's imaginary 'Constitutional right to privacy in public places'.

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Sort of like yelling out the window and being upset when the cops hear you.... FB's imaginary 'Constitutional right to privacy in public places'.

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ORIGINAL: wkdshadow

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Sort of like yelling out the window and being upset when the cops hear you.... FB's imaginary 'Constitutional right to privacy in public places'.

No. Like the cops listening into every telephone conversation you have, without a warrant. Or opening every letter at the post office before forwarding it to it's destination.

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ORIGINAL: wkdshadow

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Sort of like yelling out the window and being upset when the cops hear you.... FB's imaginary 'Constitutional right to privacy in public places'.

No. Like the cops listening into every telephone conversation you have, without a warrant. Or opening every letter at the post office before forwarding it to it's destination.

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

If your analogy is fundamentally flawed, then why did you use it? 

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Some would say that the Internet is analogous to a Postcard, and that it can be read by everyone along the way -- There *is* no expectation of privacy.

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Telephone conversations and sealed mail are defined by the courts as protected private communications. Yelling out a window, or posting on an internet forum, are clearly intended to be public communications.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

If your analogy is fundamentally flawed, then why did you use it? 

It's not my analogy.

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Some would say that the Internet is analogous to a Postcard, and that it can be read by everyone along the way -- There *is* no expectation of privacy.

See the "Some would say"?

That's the traditional argument against a default stance of Honor, Privacy, Abiding by The Law and Confidentiality when it comes to telecommunications.

It's not exchanging postcards. It *IS* putting taps on our phone calls, web browsing, Instant Messaging, etc.

Without a Court Order, that's a Crime.