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If Ukraine joins NATO or the EU....it's checkmate for Moscow. And Russia is well aware of this. They will never be able to regain their military or economic power they once had. That's why they are trying to regain their influence very quickly to prevent that from happening. That's why the Kremlin tried to have the Ukrainian president assassinated a few years ago.

Russia never had military and economic power in the first place, they had nuclear weapons! That was enough to keep the west at bay. All the intelligence that has come out since the Cold War was that the Soviets were incapable of invading the west, something which many in the west believed but were constantly fed with the propaganda that the USSR was a threat. Afghanistan proved how much a thrat the Soviets were and Chechna proves how much a threat Russia is. What we are being drip fed again is propaganda, no doubt in an attempt to keep us in place.

The Russian Bear always growls nowandagain because no one is listening to it but tell me, when in history has Russia invaded the west? Now tell me when in history has the west invaded Russia?

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Yeah, the Russians historically has something to fear of the west, which is the reason for its behaviour.

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If Ukraine joins NATO or the EU....it's checkmate for Moscow. And Russia is well aware of this. They will never be able to regain their military or economic power they once had. That's why they are trying to regain their influence very quickly to prevent that from happening. That's why the Kremlin tried to have the Ukrainian president assassinated a few years ago.

Russia never had military and economic power in the first place, they had nuclear weapons! That was enough to keep the west at bay. All the intelligence that has come out since the Cold War was that the Soviets were incapable of invading the west, something which many in the west believed but were constantly fed with the propaganda that the USSR was a threat. Afghanistan proved how much a thrat the Soviets were and Chechna proves how much a threat Russia is. What we are being drip fed again is propaganda, no doubt in an attempt to keep us in place.

The Russian Bear always growls nowandagain because no one is listening to it but tell me, when in history has Russia invaded the west? Now tell me when in history has the west invaded Russia?

Pardon?

Yeah, the Russians historically has something to fear of the west, which is the reason for its behaviour.

The missile defense system has nothing to do with Russia. It has to do with Iran and North Korea (and maybe China). The system is not designed to go after Russian missiles. That's part of the issue with the Polish government. They want protection from Russia and not only Iran (hence the want for the short and medium range interceptors). The only interceptors planned to be placed in Poland are long range designed to go after anything Iran trys to shoot towards western allies. Russia would simply have to launch their missiles over the north pole and it makes those interceptors in Poland useless. So there is no fear from the missile defense system. That's the Kremlin spewing propaganda.

Plus the US even offered the Russians the ability to place Russian government and military officials at the launch sites of these interceptors. The US also even said they would ask permission from Moscow to turn the system on. Putin shot down both those offers cold. So something else is at play here. It's not just Russian fear of the west. Putin is trying to expand Russian power. And you are a fool if you fail to see that.

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be ignored by the EU. Superpower politics, of any type, have no real place in Europe.

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Poland is weird. Its split down the middle with the east most into the nationalistic sabre-rattling and the west more liberal.  Sort of echoes the bounds set by Hitler and Stalin in '39 but its maybe more to do with the character of the neighbours than anything else.  And of course, the poorer, less well-educated live in the east.

Thatsbecause east was a$$ fu$ked by Russians too many times.

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The missile defense system has nothing to do with Russia. It has to do with Iran and North Korea (and maybe China). The system is not designed to go after Russian missiles. That's part of the issue with the Polish government. They want protection from Russia and not only Iran (hence the want for the short and medium range interceptors). The only interceptors planned to be placed in Poland are long range designed to go after anything Iran trys to shoot towards western allies. Russia would simply have to launch their missiles over the north pole and it makes those interceptors in Poland useless. So there is no fear from the missile defense system. That's the Kremlin spewing propaganda.

Plus the US even offered the Russians the ability to place Russian government and military officials at the launch sites of these interceptors. The US also even said they would ask permission from Moscow to turn the system on. Putin shot down both those offers cold. So something else is at play here. It's not just Russian fear of the west. Putin is trying to expand Russian power. And you are a fool if you fail to see that.

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Polad Ukraine and Check people have been literally mass murdered by Russian communists.  Putin can go suck on a bottle of vodka, Russia invaded its neighbors too  many times they cant be trusted, isloate those idiots.

Actually if I remember rightly, Russia has never invaded Poland or the Czech Republic. It occupied them after chasing German invaders across Europe and refused to leave for its own defensive reasons. Before that if there has been any country for them to be fearful of its been the Germans, though France and Spain have had their moments in that part of Europe. I think you will find that it has been Russia's western neighbours that have historically done the invading and not Russia.

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Polad Ukraine and Check people have been literally mass murdered by Russian communists.  Putin can go suck on a bottle of vodka, Russia invaded its neighbors too  many times they cant be trusted, isloate those idiots.

Actually if I remember rightly, Russia has never invaded Poland or the Czech Republic. It occupied them after chasing German invaders across Europe and refused to leave for its own defensive reasons. Before that if there has been any country for them to be fearful of its been the Germans, though France and Spain have had their moments in that part of Europe. I think you will find that it has been Russia's western neighbours that have historically done the invading and not Russia.

Russia Invaded Polad 5 or 6 times I lost track.

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Wars of Russia 1547-1613

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Actually if I remember rightly, Russia has never invaded Poland or the Czech Republic. It occupied them after chasing German invaders across Europe and refused to leave for its own defensive reasons. Before that if there has been any country for them to be fearful of its been the Germans, though France and Spain have had their moments in that part of Europe. I think you will find that it has been Russia's western neighbours that have historically done the invading and not Russia.

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Not to mention the FIVE assassination attempts on Josip Tito ordered by Stalin.

In a letter to Stalin, Tito wrote this...
"Stop sending people to kill me. We've already captured five of them... If you don't stop sending killers, I'll send one to Moscow, and I won't have to send a second."

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Actually if I remember rightly, Russia has never invaded Poland or the Czech Republic. It occupied them after chasing German invaders across Europe and refused to leave for its own defensive reasons. Before that if there has been any country for them to be fearful of its been the Germans, though France and Spain have had their moments in that part of Europe. I think you will find that it has been Russia's western neighbours that have historically done the invading and not Russia.

What?  The Soviet Union cooperated with Nazi Germany in the invasion of Poland.  Hitler set up an aggreement with Stalin that they would split it, then they invaded the country.  Afterwards, Hitler betrayed the Soviets and destroyed their joke of an air force.  The Russians didn't "chase" the Germans out until after they were betrayed and invaded by the Germans.  So you don't "remember rightly."

As for the Czech Republic....you are wrong in your history there too.  In 1968, the Soviets along with other Warsaw Pact countries invaded Czechoslovakia to stop a period of political liberalization.  It was known as the "Prague Spring."  So you are wrong again. 

Russia has historically tried to exert it's power over Eastern Europe and the countries surrounding it in Asia.  What do you think the Crimean War was about?  They do it all the time, and the former Warsaw Pact countries are rightly afraid of them.