meatcleaver
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Perhaps we should make people pay to have us, like Sir John Hawkwood's White Company or so many Landscneckts.
You can see why people in relatively stable countries might want American forces. They spend a lot of money, and make a great deterrent. If you really think about it, America gets in trouble when it stupidly invades people (Iraq) or sends its people into a brewing conflict (Vietnam) to "fix" the situation ... but for the most part, nobody is going to start a war in an area that has American troops stationed in it. Would North Korea really want war with the United States, just to take South Korea? Would China want the same, just to take back Taiwan?
Hell, since meatcleaver and his bleeding heart cohorts think we are evil mercenaries anyway ... why not put some teeth into that accusation. We could charge Poland to have us there, and charge the Russians a fee to keep our numbers down.
Have we forgotten how to be Capitalists? 
You're forgetting, you want to be in Poland. You asked the Poles, the Poles didn't ask you. Apparently 70% don't want you, not in uniforms anyway. Like almost all PR democracies, compromises have to be made which is how establisments manipulate going against the wishes of the majority, in constituency run democracies like Britain, the government governs on a minority vote which is how establishments are able to go against the majority wishes.
I'm no bleeding heart, I just don't buy Washington paranoia and its efforts to get its way by instilling fear in everyone about countries that have little power beyond their borders. As I pointed out earlier in this thread Russia with a 150 million population has an economy around the size of London, some threat, especially when you compare Russia to the EU which has a population of 500 million and 30% share of the world's economic output. Iran is not even worth considering. Of course it wants nukes, nukes are the only way to protect itself against the USA or any other nuclear power.
What the people in Poland want is to be neutral between the US and Russia. The Polish government gave that up almost a decade ago. Poland is a NATO member....they are forever linked with western Europe and the United States now whether they like it or not.
And you wont buy Bush's propaganda but apparently you are stocking up a surplus on Putin's bullshit... And the United States has never said Russia was a threat since the USSR fell. It is the governments of Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary, Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania that is nervous about Russia. Like I said before, these missiles the US wants to put in Poland were not designed to take down Russia's arsenal. And of course Russia knows this. They know it isn't designed to thwart their weapons.....but that's not stopping the Kremlin from making the claim in order to get more support for their side. It's game they played many times during the Cold War that never really worked.
The missiles in question are nothing to do with NATO and the US has made this clear, the US claims they are for unilateral defence and that there is no defence benefit for the host countries at all. As for countries being nervous of Russia, you really should go to those countries and the Polish and Czech governments are not wanting to host US sites because of nerves but for dollars. Most east European governments know Russia hasn't got hat it takes to invade, Russia has trouble affording to fly routine patrols. As I pointed out Russia's economy is the size of London's.
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