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Phoenix2raven -> RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? (3/13/2008 7:08:25 AM)

Religion is for lazy people or people who are afraid of going to hell. Spirituality is for those who want to grow or people who have been to hell. How religion affects D/s is it has very little to offer. Spirituality can and is quite frequently incorporated into D/s.



RCdc -> RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? (3/13/2008 8:01:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TracyTaken

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I seriously don't get this - how can a non christian find the commandments wonderful sense and right?


They are part of Judaism, and also appear in the Qur'an (though not in list form).  Not surprising since Moses is a prominant figure in all three religions.



I was asking A specifically as he is aware I did, as I know he isn't any of the religions that use the 10 Cs - that is why it addressed to him and not opened as FR~
But if you looking to open the debate - yeah... for religions that do not practise the 10/12 - why is it sense and right?
 
the.dark.



TracyTaken -> RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? (3/13/2008 8:18:36 AM)

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But if you looking to open the debate - yeah... for religions that do not practise the 10/12 - why is it sense and right?


Maybe you should start your own thread (say, in the off topic area), and people who practice those religions might answer you.



Padriag -> RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? (3/13/2008 8:22:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

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ORIGINAL: Padriag

Same goes for any submissives or people in general who can't accept my choice... fuck'em.


tuff guy talk is such a turn on for me.

BadOne

Not so much tuff guy talk as just being fed up with people who can't accept other people's choices.  Who or what I do or don't believe in doesn't really affect anyone but me.  So it amazes me when others seem so bent on changing what I believe, or chastising me for it, or refusing to associate with me or do business with me.  After awhile, you just get sick of it.

I get just as sick of politics and peoples extreme attitudes about that.

But generally, ya can't change all these people... so what else is there besides just saying... fuck'em.  Ya know?

And frankly, if there is some cosmic higher power who decides to damn me to wherever for eternity because I had the temerity not to believe in s/he/it... well... exactly what else am I supposed to say besides... fuck'em?  Somehow I don't think a last minute appology is going to make any difference, so might as well go out with a shred of pride and dignity remaining.  To quote Giambattista Marino

Not yet is the spirit of that pristine valour
extinct in you, when girt with steel and lofty flames
once we fought against the empire of heaven.
We were, that I will not deny, vanquished in that conflict:
yet the great intention was not lacking in nobility.
Something or other gave him victory: to us remained
the glory of dauntless daring.
And even if my troop fell thence vanquished
yet to have attempted a lofty enterprise is still a trophy.



RCdc -> RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? (3/13/2008 8:32:50 AM)

Tracy really.
Grow up.
 
Edit to ad - I asked it because it is here in this thread.  If people want to answer it they will. Your petty vindictive dislike of what I have to say is showing and it aint pretty.  People will answer if they wish.  Or they will not.  It was to A - and that is all.  Poke your nose in if you wish - or do not - your choice.  I am not going around this with you AGAIN.  It isn't about last words or any words.  I will not apologise if my words disturb you so much.  You do not like what I have to say?  Fine.  But if I misworded a question, or misdirected the thread, I will be notified by the mods, not you.

 
the.dark.



Padriag -> RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? (3/13/2008 8:44:36 AM)

Hell... I thought hijacking threads and posting where ever people please was damn near a tradition around here.



Aneirin -> RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? (3/13/2008 8:47:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TracyTaken

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I seriously don't get this - how can a non christian find the commandments wonderful sense and right?


They are part of Judaism, and also appear in the Qur'an (though not in list form).  Not surprising since Moses is a prominant figure in all three religions.



Please note to avoid any upset, I have noted the question made to me by Darcyandthedark, I will in time reply with a carefully considered answer at my leisure.



TracyTaken -> RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? (3/13/2008 8:48:15 AM)

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Your petty vindictive dislike of what I have to say is showing and it aint pretty.


.dark., I'm not being vindictive and have little feeling one what or the other about anything you posted on this thread.  I suggested moving the question to where people might feel more free to answer it.  That's all.

Your  hostility is your own.  Please stop trying to pin it on me.

Try this:  From this point forward, pretend that I do not exist.  I promise to return the favor.  Fair enough?



RCdc -> RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? (3/13/2008 8:58:25 AM)

Padriag
 
I agree.  If I had wanted a new thread and it was a full hijack, I could understand, but it was a specific to Aneirin and I wasn't really interested in anyone else - otherwise I would have posted a new thread.
 
Aneirin
 
I thank you for taking the time to respond - your time is precious and thank you for the support.
 
Tracy
 
I am not as petty as to ignore people.  Everyone has something to learn from, good and bad.  I am not a block and ignore person - If you wish to ignore me, that is your choice.  I make promises with no one.  And I am commanded only by one.
 
the.dark.



mnottertail -> RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? (3/13/2008 9:03:44 AM)

Well, for me....

It puts me in the corner, it puts me in the spotlight


REMDOM



TinkerHell -> RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? (3/13/2008 4:09:35 PM)


~ Ramen...  LOL!
 
Funny thing is... most people who have "found" religion are atheists when it comes to beliefs that are different from their own.   I simply to quote Richard Dawkins "take it one god further". 
 
I've never made religion or lack thereof a focal point of my relationships.   Although I must admit that I would have absolutely no interest in someone who spent their time babbling about their spiritual beliefs and attempting to foist the views onto me.  



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That is just silly, and it was silly the first time it was said.

Atheist = someone who believes there is no such thing as a god.

Theist = someone who believes there is a god (Polytheist = believes in many gods, Monotheist = believes in one god)

Now its possible for someone who lives by a religion that has no gods to be an atheist, but anyone who actually believes in a god cannot. And vice versa - an atheist cannot by definition be someone who believes in any kind of god.

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It was meant to be silly and was originally used to point out exactly how easy it is to not believe when confronted with a belief system that is not your own.  Sam Harris uses the example of the Christian who has no trouble dismissing Islam.   I assumed that someone who mentioned the FSM was in possesion of a sense of humor.   
 
Your pseudo intellectual posturing is kind of sad - I seriously doubt there is anyone on this site who didn't have a grasp of the fairly simplistic definitions you provided. 
 
By the way... Atheism is not a belief that there is no god, it is a philosophical school of thought that citing the lack of empirical evidence for the existence of a deity denies the existence of any sky gnome or gnomes.    It is not a belief system - it is a system of thought.   Someone who believes in a religion that has no god is not an Atheist, that system of belief is called Nontheism. 
 
 
 



sirguym -> RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? (3/13/2008 4:22:45 PM)

I am an atheist because I see no reason to invent God(s). I am anti religion because of the evil I see religion do in this world.

You are confusing two completely separate issues, and taking the black propaganda of the sanctimonious at face value.

I cannot see how, even if there were a God (s)he would bother with the God-bothering bigots, they are petty minded and irrational.

As to how it affects my practise of D/s.

I means I can accept myself as I am and not how some pious judgemental hypocrite or charlaton tries to define what I ought to be.

I define 'good' as helping others achieve their full potential. By that measure I believe I am succesful.

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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

I've explored a lot of religious ideas over the years-I finally gave up on them all. I just can't bring myself to believe in spiritual things. It always ends up seeming silly, and fear based in the end.

But rather than bash me over my *lack* of faith-from those of you who do.. Can I hear from those of you who are not atheists-(which I just consider to be anti-religion, more waste of time.) but just don't bother with religion in your D/s relationships?



Leatherist -> RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? (3/13/2008 4:34:57 PM)

I am simply indifferent towards religion.

Trying to prove or disprove one or the other is useless.

Like trying to teach a pig to sing-you waste your time-and annoy the pig. [;)]



IronBear -> RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? (3/13/2008 5:38:21 PM)

This is a general response and not replying to an y individual.... What I fgind mildly ammusing is that the original questoion and title of the thread is "How does NOT having religion affect D/s?" and besides a whole lot of people declaring whet their feelings about religion etc is or is not (I'm one of those to, only about half of the responders have madce any attempt to address the question and a goodly number have taken the opportunity to go on the "I'm right and if you disagree with me your wrong!" path. Honestly, this thread is pure manner for any Psychologist or Sociologist. I'm glad some things in C.M haven't changed in the couple of years I was away.....[sm=brush.gif][sm=whap.gif][sm=boxer.gif][sm=banana.gif].

Iron Bear
Master of Bruin Cottage


My Life for my Queen
My Soul for my Goddess
My Heart for my Lady
And my Honor for myself

"I judge a Man by what I see him do and not by what others tell me he does." (Captain Sir Edward Pellew of the HMS Indefatigable to Midshipman Hornblower ~ C.S. Forrester)




Leatherist -> RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? (3/13/2008 5:45:56 PM)

True enough Bear.

But it's just more instances of the usual tunnel vision. Defending the box is more important than realizing how it confines one.



LPslittleclip -> RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? (3/13/2008 5:57:01 PM)

I'm a military trained chaplains assistant and i do not follow any religion. i help where i can and ask for help when i need it and be happy. as far as affecting BDSM it doesn't with O/our relationship and if my M'Lady had a religion i would simply accept that it was hers not mine and go on with life.
happily collared by LadyPact



SixFootMaster -> RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? (3/13/2008 6:26:17 PM)

Actually I do have a sense of humor, however, given past experience it seemed entirely possible you were making a serious statement.

Yes, I do not believe in Islam, but it's not because I don't believe in Allah, or the possibility of Allah, but rather that I simply don't believe in Mohammed as a prophet.

A school of thought, a system of beliefs, a doctrine, key tenets, phrase it how you like, it is still a religion based on faith and the assumption that the lack of evidence is substantiative enough to declare the non-existence of a divine sentient. In this, as with all other religions, it is irrational. I'll respect an agnostic over an atheist in general since the one at least has the integrity to admit that yes, of course it is possible that a divine sentient exists.

While atheism is a direct refutation of God (universal absolute), Non-theism is refers to a system that doesn't include a God. To illustrate:

Joe is an atheist, Joe definitively does not believe in a God. Atheism literally means "Absent of God" or "No God".

Mary is a non-theist, she doesn't hold any particular belief about whether any God does or doesn't exist - although she has her scepticisms - it's just that no God/Goddess/Divine Sentient plays any part in her life or her beliefs.

Non-theism evolved out of Atheism in the late 1800's, to avoid confusion with atheists that have definitive view about Deitys.

Six.



Leatherist -> RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? (3/13/2008 6:29:04 PM)

I wonder what people are who just don't give a rat's ass?

Apathists? [;)]



SixFootMaster -> RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? (3/13/2008 6:30:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

I wonder what people are who just don't give a rat's ass?

Apathists? [;)]


Gottomuchelsetodotogiveshitists. ;)

Six.



GothishNomad -> RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? (3/13/2008 10:27:00 PM)

I'm more of the poly-theistically agnostic type myself  & once you have to explain that it really just kills the mood of play. :-)
Religion is always a tricky one to get into. Too much baggage, too much attitude, too many "I'm right you're a douche" and atheists are right up there with Baptists & AA memebers. They no it all and you're an idiot. 
With a D/s relationship the only faith you should be concerned with  is how much faith do you have in your subbie or Dom. That's the religion of the "scene"



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