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ORIGINAL: Kirata

It seems to me that the fierce views and strong emotions on display in the Reverend's remarks cannot be unknown (or discomfiting, obviously) to someone who has spent 20 years listening to what he had to say, with or without recollection of having actually heard the specific utterances being quoted.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Yes Sen. Obama did distance himself from the remarks,but not the man,he didn't explain being a member of or listening to this man's nonsense for twenty years.I recall Romney being raked over the coals for beliefs the Mormon church had repudiated years ago,the media went to great lengths to point out that for years while being a member in good standing his church taught that blacks were an inferior race.Now Mr Romney disavowed those beliefs but it was an issue and it couldn't be shouted away by calling everyone who asked about it a racist

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Yes sugar I must apologize for my second rate american education,you see my goverment spent most of there money building a massive military industrial thingamajig to keep democracy safe 
Democracy does not need an army to keep it safe.
We don't have a democracy here so how could we be protecting it elsewhere?


nd than on top of all that they took a good chunc of the rest of my educational funds and sent it to all these bumfuck third world countrys that couldn't feed themselves(between you and me i think they did that in the hopes that thier peeples woold stay away .oh well good intentions and all)so i apologize for any speling errors i mite make while making a counterargument to your claptrap nonsense
Your spelling I can deal with but perhaps you might consider reading up on who actually makes money on the foreign aid that the U.S. taxpayer is gouged for.  You will find out that companies like Flour,KBR,Haliburton,United Fruit,ADM and the list goes on.

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 

There's nothing kindly in the words "God damn America."

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

We never did have an "empire.
No empire ehh?  What part of the U.S. was not acquired at the point of a gun besides Alaska?  We have military bases in dozens of different countries....whycome if not to protect our empire?


" It was just for awhile we were the strongest world power that had yet to fall to pieces. Now over the past few decades, some rivals have gotten stronger (ie: China). People think that the US has gotten weaker. Not really. We just have been tredding water for many years. The world around us continues to change.

But I think for the first time since the Great Depression, we are in danger of weakening. Cost of food is going up. Cost of gas is going up. And if you make over $30,000 a year....the Democrats want you to pay more taxes so they can inflate the size of government so they can claim they are doing something.
Funny how the price of everything has gone up since we started a war of agrandisement.  The prime benificiaries of the increased prices seem to be the henchmen of the government.
 

Change? This is aint no change. It's the same old left-wing rhetoric it's always been. If there is a problem....just throw money at it. The Dems have been trying to fix education by throwing money at it for 3 decades. Now social security is in trouble....what's the liberal solution? Throw more money at it.
Far bettr to throw the money at the rich ....lord knows they need more money that they don't have time to count.


We have a problem in the mortgage sector...solution? Throw money at it. Heathcare? Throw money at it. When it comes to Democrats, none of them have a real solution other than throwing more money at the problem. You want real change? The only way that will happen is if we elect something that offers REAL reform and REAL change. A real change in pass would be BUDGET CUTS and shrink the size of government. That would be a reverse of what we are doing now.
Then how would we continue to fund the war that is making the rich richer?

The Democrats are not offering any kind of change at all....
V ring 6 o'clock

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ORIGINAL: MzMia
That's what I said earlier, MANY, MANY, MANY pastors are exactly
like him!
THAT is what is so fucking funny.
I invited our friends here, to attend a predominatly Black church with me.

What does it matter how many pastors spew vile evil and hateful rhetoric from the relative safety of their pulpits? Whether Reverend Wright stands alone or is backed by an army of Black preachers, his words and his beliefs have no place in the heart of any man who would presume to be my President.

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
You want him to stop attending at his chosen place of worship?

Rev Wright's venomous hatred

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Wow who knew that all across this great country of ours black preachers are spewing hate and venom from the pulpit,is there no where for a godfearing black man to pray with out being subjected to this venom.
What was it he said that you found to be untrue?


Tell me there is some sort of unitarian baptist watchamacallit where the word of god can be preached without spewing hate for the goverment.
Is it not the duty of all Americans to speak out against wrong?


Didn't Jesus himself decline when given the opportunity to attack rome,can't we ask the same of our preachers today ,to give unto ceasar and all that shit
Even the Romans did not have freedom of speach...and Jesus was not a citizen....
The man you criticize is a citizen and has a right to speak his mind just as you do.
I have asked you several times to tell us what he said that was untrue...but so far you have chosen not to reply.  I can only guess as to your motives for your failure to do so.

...I really can't accept the argument that this shit happens in most black churches,just another way to fill the pews,please tell me thats bullshit
I find it most instructive that you find the truth to be "bullshit"
 

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Fuck, I hate all of them. I think McCain's the lesser of all the evils though, and I also believe that if we get either Dem in there it would be a Republican landslide four years later.

This hate-America shit though, that Obama apparently sat through every Sunday, pisses me off to no end.
You are the one saying he said he hates America.....He said he hated the evil things that America does.  Wouldn't you agree that there is a qualitative difference in those two statements?
What purpose does it serve for you to misrepresent what he has said?  Are you pushing some hidden agenda that is served by misquoting this man?


Some here say there's nothing wrong with it, we should hate America... while others say Obama has officially distanced himself from his personal representative of Christ for the last two decades who spews that garbage...
I have asked you several times to tell us what this preacher has said that is not true...and yet you continue to not only refuse but to call the truth "garbage"...why is that?

Fuck the red tape. That's where the man went to worship!

What's screaming the loudest to me though, is how NBC, CBS, and CNN aren't covering this at all. ABC gave it about ten seconds. Hillary and the rest of the Dems are ignoring it the best they can, pretending it's nothing...
Perhaps it is a non issue except to those who do not like hearing an unpleasant truth.
 
News flash though, this isn't going anywhere. When will the Libs ever learn - you have to hide who you are if you really want power.

Better than that at least! This ain't goin' nowhere.
Perhaps there is a reason for that? 

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Or come to think of it, perhaps Hillary has some information on the guy from her illegal use of FBI files back in the day.  Remember that is the wildcard in all of this.


I suppose the Clintons could be forcing him to go batty and start saying insane things that he doesn't believe to derail Obama....


But honestly Obama praises wrights outreach to the HIV community, and the Guy apperantly says that AIDS was created by the USA Government to kill off blacks.  Is that what the outreach program was?  Anti USA radicalising?  Making false claims of intentional Biologic Genocide?
There is an interesting book called "Vaccine A" by Gary Matsumoto.  Which indicates that the U.S. does involve itself in biologic Genocide.  It is an interesting read.

I suppose they forced him to give Farakhan an outstanding leader award and feature it on the front of their church web site also....
You may not agree with what Farakhan says but you might be hard pressed to find anything untruthful in his statements.  That he is an outstanding leader is hardly debatable.  That you might follow his lead is problamatic.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

breeze me the fuck thru your shepards last twenty years of exhortations .......give me the high points only please

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
But since you're making the assertion that I must be racist / chauvinist pig if I'm not voting your way,

I never made any such assertion so please don't put words in my mouth.

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In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's longtime minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS virus, training professional killers, importing drugs and creating a racist society that would never elect a black candidate president.



"We've got more black men in prison than there are in college," he began. "Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body."



Mr. Wright thundered on: "America is still the No. 1 killer in the world. . . . We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . We bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . . We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God."



"We started the AIDS virus . . . We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty. . . ."

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During the course of the 2008 presidential campaign, Wright has also attracted controversy for his association with Louis Farrakhan, leader of the Nation of Islam.[10] Wright travelled to Libya with Farrakhan in the 1980s. In 2007, Wright addressed this by saying "When [Obama’s] enemies find out that in 1984 I went to Tripoli to visit Colonel Gadaffi with Farrakhan, a lot of his Jewish support will dry up quicker than a snowball in hell."[11] In 2007, Trumpet Magazine (published and edited by Wright's daughter) presented the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award to Farrakhan, whom it said "truly epitomized greatness."[12] Wright is quoted in the magazine offering praise of Farrakhan "as one of the 20th and 21st century giants of the African American religious experience" and also praised Farrakhan's "integrity and honesty."[13] Obama, on the other hand, has both denounced Farrakhan and rejected Farrakhan's endorsement.[14]

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Members run more than 80 ministries, including an outreach to gay and lesbian singles, --also unusual for a black church.

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Wright set out to show young people how other major religions also participated in the slave trade, how many abolitionists were Christians and how Jesus' concern for the oppressed related to the struggles of the black community.

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Wright said, "Picture some kid who lives in Hyde Park or over in Ida B. Wells Homes or Washington Gardens, who will see Barack and say, `My God, I can be one day be that.' The amount of hope that it will give to kids who society has written off just in terms of them changing their concept of what is possible is going to be immeasurable for generations to come."

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

This will become an issue, at least for me, if its proven that Senator Obama was at any of those services, or knew about that content ... not because he heard it, but because he denied being there or knowing about it.
 
Barring proof, this issue doesn't matter at all to me.