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seeksfemslave -> RE: The Human Race. (3/15/2008 4:09:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol
Weak individuals often resort to join a group (or a "pack") in order to find a common identity. As you put it so well, the group defines itself because it is different from other groups...

Of course this is not true of the Jews. ?



charmdpetKeira -> RE: The Human Race. (3/15/2008 4:13:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol
Weak individuals often resort to join a group (or a "pack") in order to find a common identity. As you put it so well, the group defines itself because it is different from other groups...

Of course this is not true of the Jews. ?


Not all.
 
k



Lynnxz -> RE: The Human Race. (3/15/2008 5:12:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

The human race, made up of so many different races, but all just people from different parts of the world, their genetics, no fault of their own, just a product of their ancestors.

So why, in this world of civilised and learned men do we still seek to classify people into types, races etc?

What practical use does seeking to classify people serve ?

Will we ever be any different?



Of course not... people will always feel the need to be better than the people around them.



Aneirin -> RE: The Human Race. (3/15/2008 6:00:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

The human race, made up of so many different races, but all just people from different parts of the world, their genetics, no fault of their own, just a product of their ancestors.

So why, in this world of civilised and learned men do we still seek to classify people into types, races etc?

What practical use does seeking to classify people serve ?

Will we ever be any different?



Of course not... people will always feel the need to be better than the people around them.



Then if that is the case, racism will always exist, we will not get any further forward until we accept everyone as the same.True we all, whatever race we may have things we are good at, it is a sore pity we cannot recognise those abilities and use them effectively for the betterment of mankind. Some maybe good at thinking, others may be good at doing, but the thinkers are useless without the doers and vice versa.

Whatever designed us, us all, meant for us a purpose. May that be we live together as equals, maybe it is the test of our makers to provide differences between us, an ultimate test as to whether we may accept each other despite our differences. I feel if and when we are able to  ignore differences we have moved so far ahead of what we are now.Anything may then be achievable.

But we are bogged down now as we have ever been, same ole, same ole, round and around in circles we go, chasing our tails.



SummerWind -> RE: The Human Race. (3/16/2008 2:03:40 AM)

I pulled a hamstring in the human race.......



Hippiekinkster -> RE: The Human Race. (3/16/2008 2:56:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lynnxz

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

The human race, made up of so many different races, but all just people from different parts of the world, their genetics, no fault of their own, just a product of their ancestors.

So why, in this world of civilised and learned men do we still seek to classify people into types, races etc?

What practical use does seeking to classify people serve ?

Will we ever be any different?



Of course not... people will always feel the need to be better than the people around them.



Then if that is the case, racism will always exist, we will not get any further forward until we accept everyone as the same.True we all, whatever race we may have things we are good at, it is a sore pity we cannot recognise those abilities and use them effectively for the betterment of mankind. Some maybe good at thinking, others may be good at doing, but the thinkers are useless without the doers and vice versa.

Whatever designed us, us all, meant for us a purpose. May that be we live together as equals, maybe it is the test of our makers to provide differences between us, an ultimate test as to whether we may accept each other despite our differences. I feel if and when we are able to  ignore differences we have moved so far ahead of what we are now.Anything may then be achievable.

But we are bogged down now as we have ever been, same ole, same ole, round and around in circles we go, chasing our tails.
Yeah, true. The irony of it all is that there aren't any real differences. They are trivial and mostly superficial. (like resistance to malaria/UV radiation/cold/etc.)

Think of a bell curve with standard normal distribution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution

The inflection point of the curve, where the slope is zero, is where 97% of all the genes in the human genone are. All humans have that 97% in common. (this is an example, and not meant to be anything but an illustration). The remaining 3 % are distributed according to the green curve, but in no case does a gene lie outside -3 < x <3. Those few genes always fall withinn those two bounds (or limits). That means that the human genome falls within absolute parameters. Any differences are really close to x = 0. Make sense so far? This means that throughout most of the population of the Earth, we are all closer to x = 0 than we are x = -3 or x = 3. In other words, we are all very close to being genetically identical. Our differences are trivial.

Is this making any sense to you? Humans make a big deal out of that trivial MAX 3% difference, and ignore the 97% which is identical. Seems rather stupid, does it not?



lusciouslips19 -> RE: The Human Race. (3/16/2008 3:16:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol
Weak individuals often resort to join a group (or a "pack") in order to find a common identity. As you put it so well, the group defines itself because it is different from other groups...

Of course this is not true of the Jews. ?


When your village is being pillaged and you are being forced out its hard not to see yourself as different.



charmdpetKeira -> RE: The Human Race. (3/16/2008 3:21:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

When your village is being pillaged and you are being forced out its hard not to see yourself as different.


In what way?
 
They are one group of many this has happened to.
 
k 



lusciouslips19 -> RE: The Human Race. (3/16/2008 3:31:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: charmdpetKeira

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

When your village is being pillaged and you are being forced out its hard not to see yourself as different.


In what way?
 
They are one group of many this has happened to.
 
k 


Yes. One of the many groups that it has been reinforrced time and time again that we were different and not wanted in that place anymore. So many of us are in America, from either The Pogrums in Russia in the late 1800's and early 1900's, or due to the nazi occupancy of Europe in the 1940's where 6 million jews were murdered. But we werent the only ones. 12 million in all were murdered. Homosexual's, mentally and physically handicapped and Gypsy's. Anyone not seen as pure.

We are not the only group for this to happen to. One of many cultures who may have formed a pack mentality. Would you blame any of us for not trusting? Of course, I am lucky in that I live in a large US city and dont come across discrimination. Havent come across alot of racism since I was in my 20's. I'm sure its still around/



seeksfemslave -> RE: The Human Race. (3/16/2008 3:37:43 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
quote:

ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol
Weak individuals often resort to join a group (or a "pack") in order to find a common identity. As you put it so well, the group defines itself because it is different from other groups...

Of course this is not true of the Jews. ?

When your village is being pillaged and you are being forced out its hard not to see yourself as different.

http://mondediplo.com/1997/12/palestine
Do you mean the expulsion of Arabs as a consequence of the "reasoned persuasions"  of the "Social Activists " led by Menachim Begin?
or
an example from the link
Murder and expulsions from Lod after Israeli/Jordanian military conflict.?
Only arskin.

It is well documented that the Israelis used brutal methods in 1948/49 to establish their home land. They still do it today, often as a consequence of provocation I agree.
I expect in the US the history is rewritten or suppressed and today the terrorism of the Arabs is emphasised.



charmdpetKeira -> RE: The Human Race. (3/16/2008 3:51:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

Yes. One of the many groups that it has been reinforrced time and time again that we were different and not wanted in that place anymore.


I thought the original thought was towards the reasons Jewish decedents would segregate themselves, not someone else’s perspective of them.

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So many of us are in America, from either The Pogrums in Russia in the late 1800's and early 1900's, or due to the nazi occupancy of Europe in the 1940's where 6 million jews were murdered. But we werent the only ones. 12 million in all were murdered. Homosexual's, mentally and physically handicapped and Gypsy's. Anyone not seen as pure.
 

My point was that it seems to me, most every culture has had to endure mass murder at the hands of others due to their delusions of grandeur, at some point in time.

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We are not the only group for this to happen to. One of many cultures who may have formed a pack mentality. Would you blame any of us for not trusting?


Not trusting is an indication that one does not trust themselves to act responsibly for and toward themselves, in light of others; each according to their capabilities.
 
Otherwise, I believe a good healthy amount of respect is all that is necessary.
 
I have Jewish and Sioux Indian ancestry (among others), but enough about me.
 
How are you?
 
k



lusciouslips19 -> RE: The Human Race. (3/16/2008 3:52:16 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
quote:

ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol
Weak individuals often resort to join a group (or a "pack") in order to find a common identity. As you put it so well, the group defines itself because it is different from other groups...

Of course this is not true of the Jews. ?

When your village is being pillaged and you are being forced out its hard not to see yourself as different.

http://mondediplo.com/1997/12/palestine
Do you mean the expulsion of Arabs as a consequence of the "reasoned persuasions"  of the "Social Activists " led by Menachim Begin?
or
an example from the link
Murder and expulsions from Lod after Israeli/Jordanian military conflict.?
Only arskin.

It is well documented that the Israelis used brutal methods in 1948/49 to establish their home land. They still do it today, often as a consequence of provocation I agree.
I expect in the US the history is rewritten or suppressed and today the terrorism of the Arabs is emphasised.


We were talking about pack mentality. Not pointing fingers as you seem to like to do. have you ever been to Israel? What you get in news is not truth. By the way, we might have done much to find a place to live. Thank your government for giving us the state of Israel. UK was the occupiers at the time.We never strapped bombs on innocent people telling them they were going to live forever if they killed themselves along with countless innocent men, women and children.

Edited to say there are Arabs living all over Israel. They are living in peaceful coexistence. Matter of fact when I was there at a younger age an arab boy offered me rupes and a sheep to come with him. 



lusciouslips19 -> RE: The Human Race. (3/16/2008 4:05:30 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: charmdpetKeira

I have Jewish and Sioux Indian ancestry (among others), but enough about me.
 
How are you?
 
k



I'm good thanks for asking! When I was growing up when someone talked of having American Indian blood, we found it very glamorous. Talk about an opressed nation of refugees.
I have russian jewish blood but also scottish, english and welsh blood on account of my paternal grandmother..the Corus-line dancer. She was a natural submissive of her time, She used to tell me because she was one of the shorter girls she was at the end the tall girls were in the middle. The girls at the ends kept the beat. They were called the Pony's. Grandma was a pony!if she only knew!

By the way, how are you?



seeksfemslave -> RE: The Human Race. (3/16/2008 4:11:44 AM)

quote:

LusciousLips
We were talking about pack mentality

I know and when I brought up the Jews....you bit. he he he he he he he

I am inclined to agree with the idea of group identity and achievement, both over and under.
The latter is why I am considered a racist.



lusciouslips19 -> RE: The Human Race. (3/16/2008 4:15:01 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

quote:

LusciousLips
We were talking about pack mentality

I know and when I brought up the Jews....you bit. he he he he he he he

I am inclined to agree with the idea of group identity and achievement, both over and under.
The latter is why I am considered a racist.


Nothing wrong with being proud of your culture. If that is wrong we are all racist. We are all prejudice. We all have preconcieved notions whether they were formed by ourselves, our parenting or fed us by splashes of images fed to us by the media.



charmdpetKeira -> RE: The Human Race. (3/16/2008 4:23:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

I'm good thanks for asking!


My pleasure.

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When I was growing up when someone talked of having American Indian blood, we found it very glamorous.


My only regret is not knowing more about them.

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Talk about an opressed nation of refugees.


Doesn't this imply someone can be oppressed just a little bit; is that possible?

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I have russian jewish blood but also scottish, english and welsh blood on account of my paternal grandmother..the Corus-line dancer.


Very nice.
 
You can call me Ma Bell; I’ve got connections all over the place too. :)

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She was a natural submissive of her time, She used to tell me because she was one of the shorter girls she was at the end the tall girls were in the middle. The girls at the ends kept the beat. They were called the Pony's. Grandma was a pony!if she only knew!
 
 
Lol
 
That reminds me of how upset I used to get with my grandfather, for the way he treated my grandmother. She would work full time, go home, do all the cooking, cleaning, and anything else that needed to be done around the house, while he sat and watched tv. I don't remember her complaining once.
 
I look back now at how he used to call her “kid” (the same thing my owner calls me) and she would call him “Daddy”.
 
Things that make ya go hmmmmm…

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By the way, how are you?


Quite well, thank you.
 
My best,
 
k



Hippiekinkster -> RE: The Human Race. (3/16/2008 4:24:22 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

quote:

LusciousLips
We were talking about pack mentality

I know and when I brought up the Jews....you bit. he he he he he he he

I am inclined to agree with the idea of group identity and achievement, both over and under.
The latter is why I am considered a racist.
Well, aren't you the clever one.  You really got one over on her. You da man.



RealityLicks -> RE: The Human Race. (3/16/2008 4:31:42 AM)

I find an over-reliance on group achievement is often the prop of those without any of their own.



Politesub53 -> RE: The Human Race. (3/16/2008 4:37:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

We were talking about pack mentality. Not pointing fingers as you seem to like to do. have you ever been to Israel? What you get in news is not truth.

Edited to say there are Arabs living all over Israel. They are living in peaceful coexistence. Matter of fact when I was there at a younger age an arab boy offered me rupes and a sheep to come with him. 


Luscious, are you saying the media reports are slated towards the Arabs ? I have to say i sometimes think that of the BBC.

As for the boy only offering you one sheep..... what a skinflint, you are worth a few more than that. [;)]



charmdpetKeira -> RE: The Human Race. (3/16/2008 4:41:42 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

I find an over-reliance on group achievement is often the prop of those without any of their own.


I’m not sure I would agree with this. Perhaps, only because the way it is stated confuses me.
 
I am not sure a member of a group can be over-reliant on said groups achievement, however, I would agree that there could be a lack of insight toward one’s on part in that groups achievement.
 
Unless you mean, taking glory for another member of the groups individual achievements.
 
I’m so confused!!
 
k



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