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charmdpetKeira -> Why there is “Bad” (3/15/2008 10:28:41 PM)

My theory;
 
Once upon a time, my first parents made a request of their creator. They asked to behold the knowledge of all that exist. The creator, decided this would be beneficial to the goal, and so agreed.
 
Ever since, man has been regretting that request and blaming the creator for it.
 
The irony here, is that it is doubtful the same people that do this, would just hand a curious two year old, a firearm, and tell 'em to "have at it", simply because it wanted to know of it.
 
Just sayin’
 
k



Lumus -> RE: Why there is “Bad” (3/15/2008 10:51:51 PM)

So many questions.  So little time.

First parents?  All of mankind regrets your existence [that is the literal read of what you wrote, after all...]?  Who is the child in this scenario - still yourself?

If I read this literally straight through...I would get this impression:

"I think I was an unplanned child and feel unwanted."

I doubt that's the case, so a little clarification would kick ass.






charmdpetKeira -> RE: Why there is “Bad” (3/15/2008 11:11:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lumus

So many questions.  So little time.

First parents? 


It was meant to generalize, as in, my first parents are everyone’s first parents, without pointing fingers.

quote:

If I read this literally straight through...I would get this impression:

"I think I was an unplanned child and feel unwanted."


This would be approximately correct… I hadn’t thought of it like that, but it fits.
 
Only; I do not define “bad” under the same terms as the ones the message is for. 
 
I used to think like that. 
 
k 



pahunkboy -> RE: Why there is “Bad” (3/16/2008 5:14:54 AM)

the blame the parents mode is a flawed one.  

i had for a few years. then came to learn, they did one heck of a good job.





charmdpetKeira -> RE: Why there is “Bad” (3/16/2008 5:46:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

the blame the parents mode is a flawed one.  



I agree, and would add; it is my belief, so is the one that says those who are angry about their childhood, are angry at their parents.
 
At least some of them; I have not had enough test subject to confirm my theory.
 
quote:

i had for a few years. then came to learn, they did one heck of a good job.

 
I can say mine did the best they could, according to their capabilities, given the situation, and that I can, now, appreciate that. [:)]
 
k



celticlord2112 -> RE: Why there is “Bad” (3/16/2008 7:34:22 AM)

My theory:

Bad is created when we seek to define good.

The saint begets the sinner.



TheBanshee -> RE: Why there is “Bad” (3/16/2008 7:59:36 AM)

We are all dealt the hand we are given in life.  Do with it what you will.  It isn't the hand you are given, but what you make of it.  Take responsibility for who you are and the decisions you make and what you've done with your life.  Ask for help if you need it, but don't blame (insert target here, i.e God, Mom, my husband, my kids, school, my teacher, my Dom)  



Termyn8or -> RE: Why there is “Bad” (3/16/2008 8:23:39 AM)

"Our first Parents" probably indicates Adam and Eve, pointing to a religious upbringing. They should make that illegal but let's not go there right now.

The Creator bestowed knowledge, well that's just fine, WHERE IS IT ? I dunno about you but I had to learn alot of shit in life, and a good part of it the hard way. Talking about instinct ? Hell dogs have that.

I am a realist, and I mean hardcore. If Adam and Eve ate an apple the knowledge that was bestowed upon them was what an apple tastes like.

I tried Christianity but it just wouldn't stick, but that doesn't mean the Bible has no wisdom. As I age, I start to see that some people express themselves metaphorically, and as far as I can see, Bible writers had a streak of this a mile wide.  This is not a good thing, because the world is very confused because of it.

However I can answer the original question believe it or not. Bad exists because without it good would not exist. If you want to take it in religious terms, without the devil there could be no God. There has to be a contrast.

In short, getting philosophical on you here ; If the picture is all white, there is no picture.

We define good as "not bad". If there is no bad to be not, how could we be good ?

Next.

T



Rule -> RE: Why there is “Bad” (3/16/2008 8:27:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheBanshee
We are all dealt the hand we are given in life.  Do with it what you will.  It isn't the hand you are given, but what you make of it.  Take responsibility for who you are and the decisions you make and what you've done with your life.  Ask for help if you need it, but don't blame (insert target here, i.e God, Mom, my husband, my kids, school, my teacher, my Dom)  

You must be a Gorean?



Rule -> RE: Why there is “Bad” (3/16/2008 8:29:34 AM)

Quite. Good post, T.



charmdpetKeira -> RE: Why there is “Bad” (3/16/2008 11:42:13 AM)

I will so enjoy contemplating the ramifications of falling in line with those who wish for individualism of the like minded, at work this evening; should be interesting.
 
My understanding of it, has me believing the reason people believe there is bad, is because they don’t understand what it is to love.
I wait in anticipation to be able to address this.
 
Liberty and Justice (love) for All
 
k



Real0ne -> RE: Why there is “Bad” (3/16/2008 1:32:31 PM)



Of course if man did not have a god he would create one :)

In the creation of gods it all started way back when the trogladites roamed the earth.

When the sun came up they could see and felt safe and warm and cozy and when they sun went down they were scared and cold and fearfful of being eaten by wild creatures.

Sooooooo  I like the sun and light and I dislike the darkness and the cold.  

Hence the birth day of good and bad.






cjan -> RE: Why there is “Bad” (3/16/2008 2:46:54 PM)

Good question, Keira. My honest answer is,ummmm, I dunno, no matter how hard Master Yoda I try to channel.



Aneirin -> RE: Why there is “Bad” (3/16/2008 4:22:09 PM)

Bad is a point of view.

What is bad to one may be good to another.



cjan -> RE: Why there is “Bad” (3/16/2008 4:41:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Bad is a point of view.

What is bad to one may be good to another.



Quite true, I think. Remember the old Saturday Night Live skit where Tonto, Tarzan and Frankenstein were quizzed on this question ? The first two only said "fire good". Frankie only said "fire bad". Depends on one's POV.




FangsNfeet -> RE: Why there is “Bad” (3/16/2008 9:56:52 PM)

Sometimes you have to be bad to do good. Instead of good verses bad, there comes a time when you need something that's more bad than the old bad. As the old saying goes, "I do bad things in the name of good."



Termyn8or -> RE: Why there is “Bad” (3/16/2008 11:07:55 PM)

Good and bad are not as easily defined as some would think. Consider this :

A lion eats a llama. he chases it down, tackles it and immediately, while it's still alive, tearing away at it's flesh.

Eating it's internal organs while it's heart still beats.

So is life evil ?

And notice that evil is live spelled backwards.

There is more terrible shit happening on this planet than you (or I) have the stomach for, believe me. You really don't want to get me started on that, it would take a website by itself.

T



charmdpetKeira -> RE: Why there is “Bad” (3/17/2008 12:20:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

My theory:

Bad is created when we seek to define good.

The saint begets the sinner.


My theory is very similar to this; I can see purpose in all things, therefore, I can only say “bad” when meaning, un- or least beneficial, toward a goal.


I agree with the explaination, and add; fear and anger.
 
People are often afraid of the unknown, so when something is new to them, it is scary. Scary, is often unbenificial to any goal.
 
Also, I think most of us are a little pissed off, and don’t even realize why.
 
The whole story of Adam and Eve, I believe, is symbolic for that place in time when we experienced, whatever change that took place for us to start thinking abstractly.
 
It’s a story of the beginning of free choice.
 
Otherwise, we would still be like the animals, living in the wilderness, acting without asking, and not learning anything significantly new.
 
I suppose we could go back to that; I’m not so sure we aren’t headed straight for it, in a sense. Except…. I believe.
 
We were promised free choice, out of love, and we aren’t getting either from those who are the lead performers of the big tent. Further more, we aren't being taught the real meaning of love. 
 
I think the effect is similar to being slowly poisoned to death, without even knowing it.
I won’t speak for anyone else, but I’m getting a little tired of being an extra; in a show that is just as much mine, as anyone else’s.
 
My best,
 
k



Leatherist -> RE: Why there is “Bad” (3/17/2008 12:22:38 AM)

Duality is born of the unwillingness to accept all of what we are as valid.



charmdpetKeira -> RE: Why there is “Bad” (3/17/2008 12:28:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

Duality is born of the unwillingness to accept all of what we are as valid.


Yes, the question is; how does one raise the dead?
 
k



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