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Termyn8or -> RE: The Human Race 2 (3/20/2008 2:47:18 PM)
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Well well well. I would like to thank everyone for their input. I have learned a few things.
Vocabulary :
What I have called a theory is actually a hypothesis.
What I have called race is actually population.
What I have called better is _________ I am still waiting for an answer on that one.
What those who disagree with me have done is to do me a great service. You prove my point. I have used the wrong words, but the concept is the same.
We seem to have digressed into Darwinism, and all kinds of things, and I am not bitching about it because I now have another thought. There is another factor that makes the examination of this subject more difficult.
War.
Consider this, governments draw lines between countries. My Mother is Chekoslovakian, but is she Chech or Slovak. She calls herself Slovak, and that is the point. Just to illustrate this, there used to be a Chech Republic and Slovakia. They were melded together by governments. From what I hear they did not always get along, but what did you expect ?
To think in terms of populations is required I think for a thorough examination of this subject. Germanic populations include Swedes, etc., but then they are Celtic no ? Or perhaps instead of them being Germanic, maybe the Germans are Swedic ? Or Austriic ? (to coin a word). To get to the heart of the matter a study of history might be needed, old history. Before a hundred governments popped up and started vieing for territory.
This does complicate matters a bit, the study/discussion of the subject might be more difficult, but I think it a worthy endevor. Even those who disagree with me do bring up some points worthy of consideration. I will not deny that, but I just refuse to play the quoting game.
But we still come down to this, why can't we talk about our differences ? If they did not exist life would be mighty boring. Those who argue against this seem to have a central point, and that is difference means inequality. I am accused of having a limited view of life, with a 200 IQ.
But as such I must now step back and realize that others might not be quite as enlightened. I have to realize that some have to cling to those fairy notions that everybody is the same under the skin, because it anything else undermines their self esteem.
Some, who might be at the disadvantage seem to lash out, and in this type of venue will disect a post and try to strike down each sentence. And then others respond to the response. Rule, you do this as well. As much as I agree with you I think this is beneath you. I will simply not respond sentence by sentence. It does not work because the context, or the form, is lost.
What happens psychologically is that someone reads something which goes against their teaching. When that happens their insecurity shows, and it shows that each sentence is seen as a personal assault on their knowledge base. Thus instead of responding to the whole post, using possibly a quote or two, they have the tendency to try to shove the author's words back down there throat in revenge, for assaulting them.
I have learned a bit about human nature here, and it is not from reading the lines nor reading between the lines, but from reading beyond the lines. I can see this plain as day. The indoctrination from the theo-economo-scientists is quite effective I see.
That evidenced by saying anything other than that we are all the same under the skin results in a problem. I am not bitching, I am not leaving. In fact I enjoy the opportunity to get somewhat of a cross section of opinions on the things I start.
While I agree that the equality dogma needed to be strong in the earlier years of this country, when racial equality was being preached, I do not see a reason for it now. You do not have to bend over backwards and give someone of another race a kidney to prove the point. You do not have to ignore racial, oops, populational differences when discussing these theories, oops, hypotheses.
People thought this thread was supposed to be about race. They were wrong.
People thought this thread was supposed to be about physiology, they were wrong.
This thread was supposed to be about WHY we can't speak of our differences in a scientific, rational light. And it seems that point is proven given the content. But the question still remains, WHY ?
I know the answer, but if I tell you you'll never believe it. You'll never accept it. I brought up this subject to generate some thought on the matter, and for you to come up with your own answers, but none have really done that. They have merely expressed viewpoints that have been impressed upon them in the past. We are not moving forward and I have a hypothesis on that as well. I'm not going into that right now, but when I do watch out.
No progress. I have not changed my opinion one iota. And neither has anyone else.
I grow fatigued of this. I try to sort out things and others use the dogma. I want to understand more, I want to learn more. I wish I could start a thread and kick people out so that we could move on. A couple of people do have a sort of a grasp on the subject, but others are simply never going to stipulate nor capitulate to any ideas not their own. And they don't even realize that most of those ideas were put in their mind by someone else. And that someone else is not their friend.
There are so many errors and even outright lies in modern science that it is not funny. It is holding the human race back, and now I realize just how powerful this indoctrination is. Even in an intelligent and civil discussion such as this, people still must put forth the dogma, like an evangelist.
None of us will ever convince them. I can almost convince you the sky is green, but fighting the dogma is alot harder.
If you would like to hear my case that the sky is green just ask. I'll tell you what, the people with the dogma might actually be convinced, know why ? Because they have not been indoctrinated otherwise. Easy. But fighting this indoctrination is beyond the capabilities of most. Even me.
So, let's get a Cuban to eat a couple of Big Macs, a Japanese to drink a twelve pack of beer and by all means let's just get those transfusion rigs up and just share blood. If we are all the same under the skin there certainly can't be blood types. Just mix it all together. And when you need an organ tansplant, like a liver or kidney or something, just buy one anywhere. We are all the same under the skin remember ?
I know Rule is going to pick up on that last one. Heredity is a BIG factor in determining organ transplantability. I guess it is all a lie. People lay in wait for organs when they are universally compatible because we are all the same under the skin. What a great injustice !
So which is it, were they lying then or are they lying now ? Or do they just do those tissue match tests and all that before a transplant just for the money ?
I think that is enough for now.
T
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