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TracyTaken -> RE: Do Male Dominants ask Female Subs/Slaves for 'Tributes', 'Donations', or 'Gifts'...? (3/16/2008 8:22:26 PM)

A Male Dom might, but he'd clue in eventually.




Lashra -> RE: Do Male Dominants ask Female Subs/Slaves for 'Tributes', 'Donations', or 'Gifts'...? (3/16/2008 8:28:27 PM)

I know a male Dominant who stays at home taking care of his castle while the two slaves he owns go out and work only to turn their paycheck over to their Owner. So yes you do find this in the lifestyle as well.

~Lashra




cjan -> RE: Do Male Dominants ask Female Subs/Slaves for 'Tributes', 'Donations', or 'Gifts'...? (3/16/2008 8:36:45 PM)

I agree with tee on this.



*Snort* Sorry, ladies.

Imo, "doms" who expect or accept ( oh shit, I'm going way out on a limb here, but fuck it ) "payment" or anyway of getting financial retribution for an "exchange" or whatever you wish to call it, are...ummm, out of line.

I think a Dom  should be a Dom and pick up the check, of course. And take the garbage out, open doors for his lady,
in other words, be a man before being a Dom

.Are we talking about a relationship that brings out the best in both people or what ?
Being a leech  sucks  , top or bottom, or whatever labels you care to use.





Nineveh -> RE: Do Male Dominants ask Female Subs/Slaves for 'Tributes', 'Donations', or 'Gifts'...? (3/16/2008 8:37:46 PM)

I would if I could get away with it.  I'm a whore.




TracyTaken -> RE: Do Male Dominants ask Female Subs/Slaves for 'Tributes', 'Donations', or 'Gifts'...? (3/16/2008 8:43:36 PM)

I think some kind of exchange is how relationships work (at least according to sociology).  But a male dominant who demands money would be a male madam, and that just works against the whole manly man dom thang.

Also, he's got too much competition to pull it off.  Whoever Lashra was talking about would be a very rare exception.




rook42 -> RE: Do Male Dominants ask Female Subs/Slaves for 'Tributes', 'Donations', or 'Gifts'...? (3/16/2008 8:50:15 PM)

Is manliness is nullified by tribute? Male madam is another phrase for "whore's pimp" or "serf's lord" in my  eyes; but I honestly don't know.

I'm not exactly a manly man to begin with, but I'd be curious.




TracyTaken -> RE: Do Male Dominants ask Female Subs/Slaves for 'Tributes', 'Donations', or 'Gifts'...? (3/16/2008 8:54:24 PM)

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Male madam is another phrase for "whore's pimp"


Pretty much, but I doubt pimps refer to their income as "tributes," and I was assuming the subject was a D/s relationship, not a business arrangement.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Do Male Dominants ask Female Subs/Slaves for 'Tributes', 'Donations', or 'Gifts'...? (3/16/2008 9:06:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cjan
.Are we talking about a relationship that brings out the best in both people or what ?
Being a leech  sucks  , top or bottom, or whatever labels you care to use.

Yeah, you're right.  Me obeying my owner by having a particular job and then using that money to pay for us to go on great trips together...obviously bringing out the worst in both of us.

Sheesh, can you believe he ALSO expected me to fold his socks?




TracyTaken -> RE: Do Male Dominants ask Female Subs/Slaves for 'Tributes', 'Donations', or 'Gifts'...? (3/16/2008 9:13:13 PM)

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Yeah, you're right. Me obeying my owner by having a particular job and then using that money to pay for us to go on great trips together...obviously bringing out the worst in both of us.


That's a little different from paying his bar tab.

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Sheesh, can you believe he ALSO expected me to fold his socks?


Depends.  Did he expect matched pairs?




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Do Male Dominants ask Female Subs/Slaves for 'Tributes', 'Donations', or 'Gifts'...? (3/16/2008 9:15:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TracyTaken
That's a little different from paying his bar tab.

For me it really isn't.  It's a type of service.  It's no less domly to say "Suck my cock" than it is to say "I'm going to lick your pussy."  And it's no less domly to say "You pay for the meal" than it is to say "I'm paying for the meal."

So much of this is just rehashed gender stereotypes. 




Looking4Alphonse -> RE: Do Male Dominants ask Female Subs/Slaves for 'Tributes', 'Donations', or 'Gifts'...? (3/16/2008 9:17:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lashra

I know a male Dominant who stays at home taking care of his castle while the two slaves he owns go out and work only to turn their paycheck over to their Owner. So yes you do find this in the lifestyle as well.

~Lashra



Thank you for the response Lashra. 

My question is:  Did these slaves have to come to their Male Dominant with coins in hand?  Was it a condition that these slaves 'pay first' to the Male Dominant for his 'command'...?




Leatherist -> RE: Do Male Dominants ask Female Subs/Slaves for 'Tributes', 'Donations', or 'Gifts'...? (3/16/2008 9:19:22 PM)

The main and real stereotype being-men are really the only ones desperate and stupid enough to actually pay for sex-90 times out of a hundred.




AquaticSub -> RE: Do Male Dominants ask Female Subs/Slaves for 'Tributes', 'Donations', or 'Gifts'...? (3/16/2008 9:21:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TracyTaken

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Yeah, you're right. Me obeying my owner by having a particular job and then using that money to pay for us to go on great trips together...obviously bringing out the worst in both of us.


That's a little different from paying his bar tab.



Not really. And so what if he does want a woman to pay his bar tab? I know of plenty of women who will deride a man (if not to his face than to all her friends) who doesn't pay her way, meal, cocktails, dessert, and any other expense on their first date. I'll only call a man who expects the same a leech if we apply that label equally.

A person gets to call whatever shots they want and circumstances allow. Men frequently get tribute from women, it's simply not cash and often not discussed but don't delude yourself into thinking that women don't pay tribute, which, by the way, doesn't have to be money in exchange for scenes. Tribute can be blowjobs, dressing in certain ways, servicing your owner's friends, cooking meals, cleaning up, artwork, etc. For years it was expected that women would provide certain services in exchange for room and board.

I personally pay tribute in gummi bears. Granted he doesn't dicate how often or how many I have to get, but we consider it my tribute to him.




Looking4Alphonse -> RE: Do Male Dominants ask Female Subs/Slaves for 'Tributes', 'Donations', or 'Gifts'...? (3/16/2008 9:21:31 PM)

Amen Lucky.




TracyTaken -> RE: Do Male Dominants ask Female Subs/Slaves for 'Tributes', 'Donations', or 'Gifts'...? (3/16/2008 9:24:58 PM)

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My question is: Did these slaves have to come to their Male Dominant with coins in hand?


Yes.  Their profiles screamed:  "I'll pay to be bossed around!"  Naturally, all the other doms thought they were insane and avoided them like the plague.  However, the few smart ones got together, and the auction commenced ...the slaves did the bidding and actually bought the dom!  He had papers and everything ...




Daddyslilpookie -> RE: Do Male Dominants ask Female Subs/Slaves for 'Tributes', 'Donations', or 'Gifts'...? (3/16/2008 9:28:03 PM)

To answer your question I was with a Dom who made me pay for most of everything, for example he lived in Palm Springs I had to buy my own bus ticket to see him for the weekends, and we went to a movies I had to pay my own way when we went eat dinners I had to pay for him and me. I know how messed up is that? I know I dropped him like a ton of bricks and now I have a Daddy who treats me like a princess[;)] 




TracyTaken -> RE: Do Male Dominants ask Female Subs/Slaves for 'Tributes', 'Donations', or 'Gifts'...? (3/16/2008 9:30:04 PM)

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Not really. And so what if he does want a woman to pay his bar tab? I know of plenty of women who will deride a man (if not to his face than to all her friends) who doesn't pay her way, meal, cocktails, dessert, and any other expense on their first date. I'll only call a man who expects the same a leech if we apply that label equally.


I'm all good with that, but the fact is a male dom has a lot more competition for a female slave than you're average Joe does for date.  It's not my standards that change - the marketplace dictates, and where you're talking slave and master and marketplace ...who pays for whom?




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Do Male Dominants ask Female Subs/Slaves for 'Tributes', 'Donations', or 'Gifts'...? (3/16/2008 9:32:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TracyTaken
I'm all good with that, but the fact is a male dom has a lot more competition for a female slave than you're average Joe does for date.  It's not my standards that change - the marketplace dictates, and where you're talking slave and master and marketplace ...who pays for whom?

Oh I agree- there's lots of social reasons that females ask for direct physical and monetary tribute while males ask for performance based tribute (and are careful to avoid calling it that).  But my point was that tribute or financial slavery is in no way somehow making anyone less sub or dom, and certainly CAN bring out the best in people.




Leatherist -> RE: Do Male Dominants ask Female Subs/Slaves for 'Tributes', 'Donations', or 'Gifts'...? (3/16/2008 9:34:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TracyTaken

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My question is: Did these slaves have to come to their Male Dominant with coins in hand?


Yes.  Their profiles screamed:  "I'll pay to be bossed around!"  Naturally, all the other doms thought they were insane and avoided them like the plague.  However, the few smart ones got together, and the auction commenced ...the slaves did the bidding and actually bought the dom!  He had papers and everything ...

 
Oh wow....EVERYTHING?
 
The full boxed extended version of all of the gor books?
 
The secret tomes of the european houses of training, and the ancient asian ones too?
 
And the certificates signed by his teachers and awarding him council membership?
 
And and,the dom's manual,and the decoder ring for reading the secret footnotes?
 
 WOWWWWW!!!!!!![;)]




AquaticSub -> RE: Do Male Dominants ask Female Subs/Slaves for 'Tributes', 'Donations', or 'Gifts'...? (3/16/2008 9:46:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TracyTaken

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Not really. And so what if he does want a woman to pay his bar tab? I know of plenty of women who will deride a man (if not to his face than to all her friends) who doesn't pay her way, meal, cocktails, dessert, and any other expense on their first date. I'll only call a man who expects the same a leech if we apply that label equally.


I'm all good with that, but the fact is a male dom has a lot more competition for a female slave than you're average Joe does for date.  It's not my standards that change - the marketplace dictates, and where you're talking slave and master and marketplace ...who pays for whom?



Certainly. But simply demanding something that they can't get in the current market doesn't make a man a leech. And some men are able to get that for whatever reason, be it dating women who undesirable to most men for whatever reason, because the men themselves are unusually attractive, have exceeding amounts of charm, etc.

Or because they are dominant men who chose to use their control by having their submissive pick up the bar tab. A dominant male, like any submissive female, or anyone else for that matter, can set their requirements in a partner wherever they like. Some submissive females want a dominant who pay their way for the rest of their life - they want to stay at home and serve by cooking, cleaning, and the like. They don't ever want to work out in the "real world" again. Some dominants desire to be served by never having to set foot in the office again, they want to able to devote all their time to the things they enjoy doing. So their requirements in a partner is someone who will go out and work and bring home the money.

If a woman who desires such is not a leech, neither is the man. Being able to get it has nothing to do with the matter.




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