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Riddle me this, Batman. - 3/17/2008 7:44:17 PM   
charmdpetKeira


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Status: offline 		Is it possible the English langue holds some of the most interesting riddles?
 
I resently read the post of someone in another thread, bringing up the fact that “live” is “evil” spelt backwards.
 
On another occasion I took notice that the word “love” is “evol” spelt backwards.
 
At first I had the thought that it could be a different spelling for “evil”, in another langue.
 
But it just downed on me.
 
To live, is human terminology with a well known connotation of a live body.
 
Evil is terminology that can be stated as “going against a goal”.
 
“Evol”, could be a shortened version, of the word evolve.
 
Meaning to love is to evolve.
 
I hadn’t put huge thought into it, until I was just using my method of memorizing for remembering tough to spell words, on the spelling of the word “theory”, when realized, when broken down that way; the spelling says exactly what the word means.
 
“The”;  that which is being presented “or” “y”; meaning the unknown.
 
Coincidence?
 
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RE: Riddle me this, Batman. - 3/17/2008 8:59:11 PM   
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Great Post!
 
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RE: Riddle me this, Batman. - 3/17/2008 9:02:00 PM   
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“Evol”, could be a shortened version, of the word evolve.

Could be, but it isn't.

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RE: Riddle me this, Batman. - 3/17/2008 9:12:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		There's a snake coming out of the darkness
Parade from paradise
End the need for eden
Chase the dreams of merchandise

There is tic and toc in atomic
Leaders make a deal
The cosmic is largely comic
A con they couldn't conceal

There is no safe seat at the feast
Take your best stab at the beast
The night is turning thin
The saint is turning to sin

Raise the art to resistance
Danger dare to be grand
Pride reduced to humble pie
Diamonds down to sand

Take heart from earth and weather
The brightness of new birth
Take heart from the harvest
Shave the harvest from the earth

Reasoning is partly insane
Image just an eyeless game
The night is turning thin
The saint is turning to sin

Miracles will have their claimers
More will bow to Rome
He and she are in the house
But there's only me at home

Rose is a rose of splendor
Posed to respond in the end
Lonely things like nights,
I find, end finer with a friend

I hear in the rate of her heart
A tear in the heat of the art

The night turns thin
The saint turns to sin
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RE: Riddle me this, Batman. - 3/17/2008 9:20:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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“Evol”, could be a shortened version, of the word evolve.

Could be, but it isn't.


Perhaps you wouldn’t mind explaining how you know this?
 
I am someone, whom, when watching the video of my newest favorite song, would describe my feelings while watching a certain member of the band as:
 
He plays his guitar with such passion, it is symbolic of him making love to it, and as I watch, I have an undeniable desire to be that guitar; so that it is I that is singing. *growls softly*
 
Calling You
 
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RE: Riddle me this, Batman. - 3/17/2008 9:26:53 PM   
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Great Post!
  


Thank you, for your kind words and participating.
 
Wow, CelticLord
 
Thank you for sharing that.
 
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RE: Riddle me this, Batman. - 3/17/2008 10:40:34 PM   
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The word friend is from a German root, and is spelled the same, but it is pronoubced "frund" in German.

And evol is the root of the word. You could have evolve, evolution, and with prefixes a few more, like devolution, which I think we are experiencing now. Rare are people who pay any great attention to it, but when we play with words, disect them and put them back together, are we not honing our communication skills ? Even to ask a question.

Now if this is about word roots, perhaps someone can riddle me this. There is a word - revolution. Now is that the same root, meaning that, in a way it means a re-evolution or is the root "revolve" ? Any English teachers around ?

Robin, if you say live no evil and spell it backwards it says live on evil. And of course able was I ere I saw elba.

These are mostly quirks in the language I think. The concepts of live and evil came before the English language, so to say this is intentional I think is not a reasonable assumption.

Interesting, but nothing more. In fact these plays on words can make for a really good topic. One that goes way beyond us driving on parkways and parking on driveways.

The English language, because of it's simplicity, lends itself to these quirks. I have met people from all over the world, both online and in person and they all say that English is one of the easiest languages to learn.

It's the nuances and the contexts that befuddle people. There are proper words that have more than one meaning, and even in our grammar there can be two properly formed sentences exactly the same, but have two completely different meanings.

Might as well have fun with it.

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RE: Riddle me this, Batman. - 3/17/2008 10:46:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Termater: "The word friend is from a German root, and is spelled the same, but it is pronoubced "frund" in German. "

You really should stick with your ESL lessons.

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RE: Riddle me this, Batman. - 3/18/2008 12:15:31 AM   
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RE: Riddle me this, Batman. - 3/18/2008 12:19:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

What's ESL ?

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google it, just like you should have googled "German+friend". 

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RE: Riddle me this, Batman. - 3/18/2008 4:18:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		English is problematic for this sort of thing because its a mixture of Old English (from Germanic), Old French (Latin with a bit of Germanic), a bit of Norse and a bit of Welsh - and thats before the introduction of Latin and Greek terms and words from all over the Empire we built.

The Austrian mystic Guido von List, working on material left by the Grimm Brothers (they of the "fairy tales" - they did much more than that), proposed that every word in modern German had magical powers based on the sounds within it in its older form in Germanic - by association the Germanic words in English would be likewise powerful. List proposed that there were "root sounds" - alike with the protoforms of runic sounds, which in various combinations made up words in ancient times which were similar to modern German compound words (where one takes two words and combines them to make a new word to express something - Schadenfreude being an example). And by varying the vowel sounds in runic protoforms (vowel sounds also being runic sounds) one could express all manner of nuances and variations.

Interesting stuff, but impossible to prove since we really have no idea aside from articificial reconstruction, what the original Germanic language (from which English, German, Dutch, Flemish, Frisian and the Scandinavian languages come, as well as the extinct Gothic languages) sounded, and we have little idea aside from artificial reconstruction, what the original runic sounds were, before they came down to us in the various forms to which they had evolved by the early mediaeval period.

Still, its interesting that with some English words one can see something of what List was proposing. "Fuck" is a good one, as is "Cunt" (which is only insulting in more recent usage).

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RE: Riddle me this, Batman. - 3/18/2008 4:31:13 AM   
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Is that what you mean ?

You and your runes again...lol

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RE: Riddle me this, Batman. - 3/18/2008 4:40:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Cunt my dear Seeks is a perfectly good and noble word. Look up the meaning of the "kenaz" rune from which it undoubtedly is a close derivative.

Fuck is a good word too. Look up the meaning of the "fehu" rune from which it is very likely derived.

And for a complicated one, try Seek. Going from List, this would be "sowilo" (the sun), "isa" (ice) and "kenaz" (transformative change). But that one's a bit dodgy as it depends on English sounds - though it works very well.

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RE: Riddle me this, Batman. - 3/18/2008 4:50:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Similar such plays on words are common in other languages. For examples the Numbers 4 and 9 ( si and jiu) in Chinese sound similaur to the words meaning death and die, and they and the multiples (8,18, etc) are thus consitered bad or unlucky. and are usually left off certin things like elevators and bus stations. To recive these numbers is a bad omen and are even worse together. So such word play is not limited to the english lanugauge.

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RE: Riddle me this, Batman. - 3/18/2008 5:05:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		LadyE: when I asked you last to explain runes you said it was not possible, something like that.
I've just had a "google" and Wikipaedia says that they are old inscriptions thought by some to be of divine inspiration and are seen as being the source of elements of modern language. Have I got that right and if so why is that so difficult to explain ?

With regard to divine origin well I believe there exists a tribe in the Pacific who believe that Prince Phillip is a God NO?
Having said that there do appear to be some most perplexing ancient mysteries of which the runes may be one.

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RE: Riddle me this, Batman. - 3/18/2008 5:18:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Seeks - the runes are far more than any one aspect of them; holy mysteries, magical language, form of writing etc.

And what was impossible to describe was not the meanings or aspects but the experience of them. Different thing.

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RE: Riddle me this, Batman. - 3/18/2008 5:42:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

What's ESL ?



English as a Second Language.

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RE: Riddle me this, Batman. - 3/18/2008 5:43:52 AM   
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Cunt my dear Seeks is a perfectly good and noble word. (...)

Fuck is a good word too.



Two of my favourite words. Not least for their shock value.

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RE: Riddle me this, Batman. - 3/18/2008 5:46:05 AM   
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RE: Riddle me this, Batman. - 3/18/2008 5:54:48 AM   
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