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RE: Curious - 3/19/2008 6:19:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

**Having now read the thread**

I hate the fact that I am sometimes carried with a sub in a negative fashion after a relationship ends and in that regard I feel that I loose a piece of myself.

Now before I get all La-De-Da on the sappy train let me explain.

I have never been the kind of guy who plays with random girls. I have ALWAYS Insisted on Relationships.because of this I was emotionally invested in each individual I shared myself with.

I ofetn look back and think on the girls that have called me Sir, and I miss all but one of them and the part of me that she carries I would not want back, however I still think about her.

I think everything that we do leaves a mark and just as a sub feels it so to does a dom who is invested in that sub.

Steel


Thats pretty much how I feel...but, then I've been accused of being too annalytical.

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RE: Curious - 3/19/2008 6:21:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie


My Master had a slave, prior to me, who had a lasting effect on him.  I can't speak for him as to whether or not he felt part of himself was missing (I don't think he would put it in those terms), but I know he loved her and missed her a great deal.  They remained in touch for years, and still say hello now and again.  She was a very special girl to him.  She is the only one he still speaks of, and always fondly. 


For me, it was a comfort to know that J's ex slaves still came around and called him their friend.  Takes an extrodinary person to inspire that kind of devotion even when things go wrong.

I wish you and your Master all the very best in life.
Haven

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RE: Curious - 3/19/2008 6:23:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Estring

If my relationship with my slave/wife were to end, it would be devastating to me. So, in my opinion, the answer to your question is yes.


I know this is probably not going to sound the way I mean it to...but, your post gives hope and makes me smile.

Wishing you and yours a long and happy life together,
Haven

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RE: Curious - 3/19/2008 6:28:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TallDarkAndWitty

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I began to wonder if Dominants experiance much the same emotion...as if a vital part of yourself is missing?


I don't think I have ever felt that a piece of myself was missing after a relationship ended.  Instead, I see it more as a part of myself had been changed by the relationship, and that change would not simply revert back instantly, if ever.

I have been changed by every serious relationship I have been in.  I don't think I would classify a relationship as serious if that were not true.  Some of the changes eventually subsided, while others had a dramatic impact on who I am to this very day.  But I think all of that is good...

If you are not growing, you are dying.  Change, while painful, is a necessary part of life.

Taggard



While I'm not a big fan of change I'm also practical and know its a fact of life and look at is something I just have to go thru.  And perhaps as you put it "changed instead of missing" is a more appropriate way of looking at it.

While my life with my X Master was not perfect we always seemed to find a way to meet in the middle and I now have a better knowledge of what I'm looking for and what I'm not looking for in a future Dom.

Thank you for your insights,
Haven

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RE: Curious - 3/19/2008 6:30:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

As I alluded to in the other thread. Yes, I have a few empty places in my heart. Unlike some, I don't necessarily view that as a bad thing. It just is what it is.


lol  My friend mock me with that saying because I am always saying it.

"Man this sucks! O well it is what it is"

Pick thy battles, eh?

Thanks for making me smile,
Haven

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RE: Curious - 3/19/2008 6:32:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: domahpet

i hope this dosent sound to bizzare lol
when my former master died, there was a huge hole in me
huge. nothing could fill it, i swear i could feel it physicaly.
now that i am with zee, i can still feel the space, but its getting smaller because
zee is filling a new space.


I can't thank you enough for posting this message.
Thank you,
Haven

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RE: Curious - 3/19/2008 6:38:51 AM   
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Because, I like to play with fire (figuratively) I had to ask J last night while waiting for him to fall alseep before going home if he felt I had kept a piece of him when he released me.

His reply...Only the pieces that don't matter then he kicked me off the bed.

I thought I was going to die laughing and it was good to hear him laugh again.  Thats my J!

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RE: Curious - 3/19/2008 8:49:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LilMissHaven

After reading and posting in the submissive section of this forum on a thread pertaining to submissives getting that missing piece of themselves back when a relationship ends, I began to wonder if Dominants experiance much the same emotion...as if a vital part of yourself is missing?

Just wanting to hear the other side of the fence,
Haven

I apologize for any miscommunication on my part as I've noticed that I did not get the point of the question across and decided to share the link to the original source that got me thinking.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1716736/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#1716780



When I have no slave in a clooar as happens now. yes there is something ,missing and I mostly miss not havinf a girl kneeling at my feet when watching TV or listening to music.. As much as I love our malke Malamute "Storm" who lays near my feet and sleeps on the foot of the bed, he is no substitute for having a girl there,

Iron Bear

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(A Victorian Lifestyle poly home)


"I judge a Man by what I see him do and not by what others tell me he does." (Captain Sir Edward Pellew of the HMS Indefatigable to Midshipman Hornblower ~ C.S. Forrester)



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RE: Curious - 3/19/2008 9:22:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LilMissHaven

After reading and posting in the submissive section of this forum on a thread pertaining to submissives getting that missing piece of themselves back when a relationship ends, I began to wonder if Dominants experiance much the same emotion...as if a vital part of yourself is missing?

Just wanting to hear the other side of the fence,
Haven

Not always, but sometimes.  It varies with the intensity of the relationship, how much of a connection was there to begin with.. and thus how much was lost.  For me personally most of the submissives I've known over the years I don't feel any loss about... we just didn't share that much.  It was what it was at the time and when it ended, it was over.  There have been a few however that were very different.  Two in particular come to mind.

One was a girl I only knew through the internet and on the phone.  We never actually had the chance to meet, which I've often regretted.  Despite that, there was a connection there that was special.  It wasn't any one thing in particular but how it all came together.  It ended ultimately because at the time there were a lot of changes happening in my life and she needed more stability than I could offer, she was too timid to take the chance.  The thing I miss most of all is her friendship, we had such wonderful conversations.

The other I nearly married, I loved her deeply.  She died before we could marry, it was unexpected.  I felt like part of me had died, and in a sense... part of me had.  It took me years to stop grieving.  I still miss her and I expect I always will... some things you don't get over, and time does not heal all wounds.  But that's okay, I think its how it should be... that lil bit of pain (that resembles sorrow only as the mist resembles the rain) also reminds me of how wonderful the time we did have was... and all the good things we shared.  She helped me be a better person, and in an odd way even though she is gone she still is.  She left a huge void in my life, and I've found myself expanding as a person to fill that void.  I've grown.

There was one other person, not a submissive but a friend, who I lost.  She died of cancer, specifically a brain tumor in the choroid plexus.  It was a little over two years before it finally killed her.  It gave me time to get to know her, enough time to see what a remarkable person she was.  She was more than just beautiful, she had a beautiful mind and heart.  The world is a little less bright with her absence.  I'll not likely forget her either.  The strangest thing of all was it was me, not her, that railed so against the dying light.  It was me, not her, that would not easily let her slip into that long night.  She was far more at peace about it than I ever could be.

So yes, sometimes when a relationship ends it is as though a vital part of me has been lost.  But not always.  Neither is it always easy to get over and in some ways I don't think you entirely ever do.  Then again, I think it would be a crime to forget them... after all, so long as we remember them, part of them is still with us.  If they helped us grow and be better than we were, what better way to honor them than to continue to grow, to live the lives they hoped for our sakes that we would.

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RE: Curious - 3/19/2008 10:45:46 AM   
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Yes, we can feel loss too. 

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RE: Curious - 3/19/2008 10:52:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AMaster

Yes, we can feel loss too. 


I wasn't trying to portray Dominants as feelingless creatons Sir.

I was only curious as to  whether the impact mirrored my own.  Or if there was an entirely different set of feelings.

From what I can gather in this arena men and women are created pretty equal...we feel the loss, mourn it, have an array of other feelings mixed in from failure to anger.

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RE: Curious - 3/19/2008 4:59:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LilMissHaven

After reading and posting in the submissive section of this forum on a thread pertaining to submissives getting that missing piece of themselves back when a relationship ends, I began to wonder if Dominants experiance much the same emotion...as if a vital part of yourself is missing?

Just wanting to hear the other side of the fence,
Haven

I apologize for any miscommunication on my part as I've noticed that I did not get the point of the question across and decided to share the link to the original source that got me thinking.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1716736/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#1716780


I don't know. I think I grow in each relationship. I'd like to think that my partners do too. They haven't taken something from me.  They've given instead.  In rare cases maybe they gave primarily hard lessons. But if I paid that much for a lesson shouldn't I value it highly in retrospect?

"own a piece of you" is a metaphor, of course. Depending on what the OP in the other thread was getting at precisely it was a more or less useful one in that case as it can be a more or less useful one for you..

I think that if he stills owns some of you, that's your doing, not his. It is a matter of your attachment to him, or the idea of him, or the erstwhile relationship, not his owning you in the sense of still having any agency over you except that which you assign to him.

If you want that piece back, or those pieces you feel he still owns, can you forgive yourself and him for any mistakes which were made?  Can you cultivate an attitude of gratitude for everything else? If you can't let go of what's gone and then appropriately value what's left, then isn't it you who is hanging on to something of the past rather than him holding on to something of you?

I don't mean that one view is right and the other wrong. I think your orientation to your past represents a lot of the building blocks of your present and future, and that you can reject some stones and incorporate others.

Once you forgive old hurts.and value the lessons learned, good memories gathered, new internal and external spaces explored, you have the chance to occupy today, where he doesn't own you anymore, and still honor what has passed.

By the way, I think that what I said above about old hurts can apply even when the only hurt that's occupying your attention is the residual pain of parting.

Things take time.  Sometimes a lot of it. And some things are difficult and painful.  But there you are.

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RE: Curious - 3/19/2008 6:58:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Noah

I think that if he stills owns some of you, that's your doing, not his. It is a matter of your attachment to him, or the idea of him, or the erstwhile relationship, not his owning you in the sense of still having any agency over you except that which you assign to him.

That's the heart of it in my opinion.  There are no actual "pieces" that can be taken, given or exchanged... there is no part of us that is actually gone.  What we feel is the absence of a connection, a familiar presense no longer with us and it is that absence that we perceive as pain... not because it is itself painful, but the knowledge of what we no longer have and will never have again is painful... and sometimes unbearable.

What transmutes that pain, dulls it, eases it, is the knowledge that though something was lost, there is still more out there.  That no matter how special, how unique what we had was... there are other wonders yet to be discovered... or even imagined.  And that this in no way diminishes what we have lost, that only our perspective changes.  That what we once thought was so unique nothing could compare, to the realization that Life has so many unique experiences, so many joys... and they are all special.

Or more simply put... the pain of loss eases when we come to realize there is room in our hearts for something or someone else... and that this is not a betrayal.

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