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Kasdrup -> How to change my mind from liking submissive bdsm to control others in bdsm? (3/19/2008 2:10:16 PM)

Hey

I'm submissive in bdsm (never really done it, but love too read novels etc about being submissive), the problem is I also want to bee a Alpha Male.

I've got the looks, muscles, height, voice and all that (sorry for the bragging) for being a Alpha Male, the problem is just I like to read about being submissive, but I want to get rid of me being submissive inside me. At school etc I act dominant towards the females. Also, I try to be in control of every situation I am in. By the way I am a virgin could that be the reason?  

Anybody who know this situation, what I should do with it?

Thanks for answering[image]http://www.theattractionforums.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/image]




DesFIP -> RE: How to change my mind from liking submissive bdsm to control others in bdsm? (3/19/2008 2:30:46 PM)

Accept who you are. According to my therapist, it is not at all uncommon for those who are in charge in daily life to gravitate toward the submissive role. From my point of view, it's an incredible break in my stress to have him take charge.

Now if you want to learn how to top people, you can do that. That's just technical and you can buy books, read posts and go take workshops on how to use a flogger safely, or a singletail. But it won't give you the high that a dominant gets.




kinkypuppy2 -> RE: How to change my mind from liking submissive bdsm to control others in bdsm? (3/19/2008 3:18:10 PM)

I think you need to sit down and really assess who you ae inside.. NOT outside




Justme696 -> RE: How to change my mind from liking submissive bdsm to control others in bdsm? (3/19/2008 3:38:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kasdrup

Hey

I'm submissive in bdsm (never really done it, but love too read novels etc about being submissive), the problem is I also want to bee a Alpha Male.

I've got the looks, muscles, height, voice and all that (sorry for the bragging) for being a Alpha Male, the problem is just I like to read about being submissive, but I want to get rid of me being submissive inside me. At school etc I act dominant towards the females. Also, I try to be in control of every situation I am in. By the way I am a virgin could that be the reason?  

Anybody who know this situation, what I should do with it?

Thanks for answering[image]http://www.theattractionforums.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/image]


What is your age?




foxhole -> RE: How to change my mind from liking submissive bdsm to control others in bdsm? (3/19/2008 4:27:59 PM)

the fox advises:
STOP READING and get on DO SOMETHING.
and forget about being the ALPHA MALE, unless you already own your own Gorean Farm.
there are only few subs in need of alpha males, its a natural Dominance thats essential, not looks.

the fox,
shakes his body and howls at the moon

PS this fox begs forgiveness from the Dominants supplying the answers, for butting in.




SailingBum -> RE: How to change my mind from liking submissive bdsm to control others in bdsm? (3/19/2008 5:44:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kasdrup

Hey

I'm submissive in bdsm (never really done it, but love too read novels etc about being submissive), the problem is I also want to bee a Alpha Male.

I've got the looks, muscles, height, voice and all that (sorry for the bragging) for being a Alpha Male, the problem is just I like to read about being submissive, but I want to get rid of me being submissive inside me. At school etc I act dominant towards the females. Also, I try to be in control of every situation I am in. By the way I am a virgin could that be the reason?  



dude...I mean DUDE you got it all going on ....with a attitude like that you will go far.  I'm so humbled by your presence.
I think they forget to card the OP.

BadOne




SimplyMichael -> RE: How to change my mind from liking submissive bdsm to control others in bdsm? (3/19/2008 7:01:38 PM)

Dude,

Many people act macho to hide how small they feel inside.  Don't fall for society's rules, make your own.  You can be a strong powerful man AND be submissive to the right woman.

As for the control issue, trust me, many submissives are FAR more controlling than many dominants.  Male submissives are even worse, which is why many have to PAY for it!

So, relax, get comfortable in your own skin and just be you. 




MasterFireMaam -> RE: How to change my mind from liking submissive bdsm to control others in bdsm? (3/19/2008 7:19:32 PM)

Alpha Males aren't about physical looks. Alpha Males are about presense and how you project yourself.

Being a bottom doesn't mean you can't be an Alpha. I know many Male Masters who are masochist.

Master Fire




domahpet -> RE: How to change my mind from liking submissive bdsm to control others in bdsm? (3/20/2008 6:32:50 AM)

no profile yet...
i really wish the
age of consent was at least 21




MistressVnus -> RE: How to change my mind from liking submissive bdsm to control others in bdsm? (3/20/2008 6:40:56 AM)

quote:

What is your age?


Not to mention, just joined, one post....this is it.  Again....DUHHHHH!!!





celticlord2112 -> RE: How to change my mind from liking submissive bdsm to control others in bdsm? (3/20/2008 7:10:57 AM)

quote:

Anybody who know this situation, what I should do with it?


Wait until you start shaving more than twice a month. 




IronOre -> RE: How to change my mind from liking submissive bdsm to control others in bdsm? (3/20/2008 7:11:06 AM)

Why change your mind? You see something wrong with being submissive? And why do you feel a need to control every situation you are in? My opinion is that your problem is not that you have a desire to be submissive at all. Because that is not a problem. There is nothing wrong with it. Your problem, I think, is that you believe that because you are a young physically fit male you should be in control of others at all times. That is bull. That IS a problem. I am a violent, agressive person who enjoys doing all sorts of degrading, humiliating, painful things to people. However I am a quiet, polite, generous person and I do not feel I need to control everyone. I am both people. Or rather I am me, and those are my character. 
quote:

ORIGINAL: kinkypuppy2

I think you need to sit down and really assess who you ae inside.. NOT outside





Lashra -> RE: How to change my mind from liking submissive bdsm to control others in bdsm? (3/20/2008 7:45:27 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kasdrup

Hey

I
I've got the looks, muscles, height, voice and all that (sorry for the bragging) for being a Alpha Male,



I wasn't aware that "Alpha males" had a particular look. Most I've met come in all colors, shapes and sizes. But that aside, do you have the MINDSET to be a  good dominant? You can look the look but do you have mentally what it takes to make good, solid decisions? Can you take care of another human being, treating them well and with respect?

Also why would you want to change your personality? Either your submissive or your not. If its something you try to mask, eventually that mask will come off. What I mean by this is you will become frustrated and angry. I know this because I have a male sub who was a "Alpha male Master" for years. It wasn't who he truly was, but he thought it was what society expected of him and what women expected from him. He was utterly miserable. He took the mask off when he met me because I am a Alpha female, I don't get into relationships with Alpha males because I have to be in control and I don't want to deal with a bunch of arguing.

So you need to do some inner reflection and find out who it is you are inside. You could be a switch which means your both sub and Dom depending upon who your involved with and the energy exchange between the two of you.

Good luck

~Lashra




Kasdrup -> RE: How to change my mind from liking submissive bdsm to control others in bdsm? (3/20/2008 9:19:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

quote:

Anybody who know this situation, what I should do with it?


Wait until you start shaving more than twice a month. 



Haha, I am not egen going there man.

To those who asked, I am 19.

Lashra: I believe I am an alpha male inside me too. I alwasy think about how I can pass my gens the best way. For instance, I work hard at school in order to have money later for my family and me. Moreover, I life weights in case anybody threatens my family (looks can scare people of). I also like to slam people because of my size. I think I think I am dual character.





DesFIP -> RE: How to change my mind from liking submissive bdsm to control others in bdsm? (3/20/2008 10:26:30 AM)

None of those qualities make you a natural leader. Submissives work to take care of their families also, they are also very protective of their loved ones. Being a natual leader in your interpersonal relationships means the other person will normally defer to you and you will prefer (and enjoy) being in charge. Since you don't enjoy it, you aren't naturally dominant.

As far as you using your size/weight to physically hurt others nonconsensually, this doesn't make you an alpha, it makes you someone out of control, not in control. And in desperate need of anger management classes before he gets in trouble with the law.




Focus50 -> RE: How to change my mind from liking submissive bdsm to control others in bdsm? (3/20/2008 1:39:12 PM)

From what I've read, your social/sexual orientation is probably that you're submissive.  What you see and interpret from the mirror will never override a mind and imagination that wants to follow a very different path.
 
Your "dominance" seems more to do with being an immature teenager.  Most get over that with time and the inevitable realisation that *every* bully eventually disrespects the wrong "mark"!
 
Focus.




sirguym -> RE: How to change my mind from liking submissive bdsm to control others in bdsm? (3/20/2008 3:53:53 PM)

To the OP; just go out and do it, and learn from the experience.

You won't understand yourself thinking about it, you need the mirror of other people's reactions and the feedback from them.

I thought I was a submisive until I tried it and found it worked much better for all concerned when it was the other way around.

The opposite experiences is often more true; thinking you're a Dominant before you try it and finding you're a submissive.

My experience too is that the more prominent and  responsible your public life is, the more you'll want to 'go sub' in private.

Vice versa applies too. When I was a humble engineer, soldering up circuits on the bench and writing Test Specifications I went into politics.

As a 'Meetings and Reportss Engineer' jetting all over to chair meetings and supervise subcontractors I made remote-control bondage kit in the garage.

Now I'm stuck behind a desk and computer screen selling kinky kit and running BDSM events. Pattern?




katie978 -> RE: How to change my mind from liking submissive bdsm to control others in bdsm? (3/20/2008 6:10:46 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kasdrup

 I believe I am an alpha male inside me too. I alwasy think about how I can pass my gens the best way. For instance, I work hard at school in order to have money later for my family and me. Moreover, I life weights in case anybody threatens my family (looks can scare people of). I also like to slam people because of my size. I think I think I am dual character.



   To be honest, being an alpha male doesn't mean that you have to be dominant. There was a thread in the submissive forum about why all submissive men feel a need to make themselves out to be "alphas". You can take charge in real life, be a leader in activities, and still be submissive. Everyone I've come out to as a submissive were shocked because they assumed submissives are naturally meek and -how do I say this politely- wimpy. They're not. Submissives come in every size and shape and disposition, as do dominants.

    As far as striving to provide for your family, I see that as neither a submissive nor a dominant trait, really. Perhaps you should read more about submissive men and you might find out that a) some of them are damned looking, and b)they may be wimps, but that's not a requirement. You seem to have a lot of preconceptions about submissives that make you seem very, very young, a high school mind-set. Perhaps the very fact that you're so full of yourself and so determined to be something you're not is the...reason you're a virgin?

  That was a bit out of line, perhaps. Please don't "Slam me". But you certainly seem to have some growing up to do (and I'm only 22-not an adult looking down her nose, but a peer).




Lashra -> RE: How to change my mind from liking submissive bdsm to control others in bdsm? (3/20/2008 7:46:55 PM)

I have to agree with katie978. My sub is in no way wimpy looking  He is 6 foot 4 and 250lbs of muscle. He submits to me because I bring that out in him. He is secure in himself and his submission. He has done the "alpha thing" and put it behind him. Most male subs are like that, as well as intelligent.

Yes do some soul searching but also get out there and try things, only be careful you don't want to hurt yourself or anyone else in the process.

~Lashra




DiurnalVampire -> RE: How to change my mind from liking submissive bdsm to control others in bdsm? (3/20/2008 7:51:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kasdrup
I've got the looks, muscles, height, voice and all that (sorry for the bragging) for being a Alpha Male, the problem is just I like to read about being submissive


Butchard snip, but I think the relavent bits are there.
Why do you assume being an Alpha male means you cant be a submissive?
Fox is my Alpha male. Angel is an Alpha Male in his every day life, from the descriptions of what it takes to be an alpha male.
You are throwig around a buzz word, but with nothing behind it.

So, define what you believe it means to be an alpha male. None of wat you mentioned is particularly alpha behavior. Being a defender doesnt make you an alpha. Being smart enough to save money, and working hard in school to better yourself doesnt either.
Do you want to be dominant? Do you want to submit to a woman, and be her Alpha slave perhaps? Could you be a switch and enjoy being Dom to some and sub to others?

DV




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