Smith117 -> RE: Iraq (3/22/2008 4:35:26 PM)
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent I can assure you that I haven't oppressed anyone. I'm bordering on pacifist, and believe that there is a heavy burden of proof to be satisfied prior to engaging in organised violence of any description. No, you may not have personally oppressed anyone, but your people have. My comment to that is just like your broad comment about American soldiers. Considering that much of what we done in a combat zone isn't combat at all, but rather humanitarian efforts - building schools, bringing medical care to those who wouldn't have it otherwise (such as saving the life of an afghani boy who found a 30-year-old Russian landmine and thought it was a toy), you can't say we're "big bad men" oppressing people, especially not the individual solier. Are you aware that combat jobs make up the smallest part of the military? Each branch has MANY support jobs ie paper pushers, medics, drivers, mechanics, general's aides. Who are *they* oppressing? They're in the same combat zone as everyone else and often times they don't even carry their weapon on a daily basis. Kind of hard to hold a gun when you have your hands in another soldier's chest cavity pinching an artery. Those who do those jobs don't do them "only" for American soldiers, either. Refer back to my comment about the docs caring for a boy for found the old landmine. "We" didn't put that mine there, someone else did. But "we" are cleaning up the mess of civilian casualties that it caused decades later. quote:
ORIGINAL: NorthernGent Your mistake here is to assume I have a mind similar to yours, i.e. one that is remotely interested in your misplaced patriotism. Actually I haven't made that mistake at all. You have. I could care less what you care about. You've already showcased your lack of intelligence and your holier-than-thou stance on pretty much everything. And you do all of this without even a hint of perspective about that of which you speak. My comment was simply that it's easy for you to point out what you call bullying when you have no knowledge of the centuries of bullying by your "own people." And don't even get me started on the whole 'pacifism' angle. Pacifism is waste. It's a waste because it's redundant. EVERYONE would rather have peace. That's a simple no-brainer. We are not, as a people, a lover of all things WAAAAAAAR oriented. We don't, as a people, seek to conquer the world or eradicate anyone else. We *DO* seek to be safe. We *DO* seek the world to be safe. And there *are* those who believe that anyone unlike them should be wiped out. Those people will forever make the world *un*safe while we continue to try and make it safe. Tell me, Mr Pacifist, how do you make peace when an entire people want to eradicate others who believe differently than they do? How do you peacefully reason with a group like that? Do you simply lay down your weapon and let them kill you so that they have what they seek? Because words of peace will not deflect the bullets of hate. Of that you can be sure.
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