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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/25/2008 10:25:17 AM   
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Here's another possible way that light speed in our universe may be exceeded:

Take a leap into hyperspace
Here the constants of nature could be different, and even the speed of light could be several times faster than we experience. If this happens, it would be possible to reach Mars in less than 3 hours and a star 11 light years away in only 80 days, Dröscher and Häuser say.
Another article about it:

Prepare for Ludicrous Speed

This is based on a theory of quantum mechanics that is currently unproven, but is seriously being considered, from my last research.

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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/25/2008 10:34:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I would love my never to be wrong, here is some pretty massive shit that approaches lightspeed, and we can see it, I am not sure I want to be sitting in the drivers seat of this rocket, even with lead diapers on my balls, but.........

http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn12051-jets-of-matter-clocked-at-nearlight-speed.html

We ain't seen all there is to see, or know all there is to know by a long shot, Firm.

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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/25/2008 10:42:36 AM   
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Well, I would love my never to be wrong, here is some pretty massive shit that approaches lightspeed, and we can see it, I am not sure I want to be sitting in the drivers seat of this rocket, even with lead diapers on my balls, but.........

http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn12051-jets-of-matter-clocked-at-nearlight-speed.html

We ain't seen all there is to see, or know all there is to know by a long shot, Firm.

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Very interesting Ron.

One of the arguments that I've seen against even approaching the speed of light in the Einsteinian universe was that as matter approached the speed of light, that the power required to reach such speeds would be near infinite, and that weight would increase to near infinity as well.

This detection of near light speed matter would seem to make those problems ones of technical issues, rather than simple impossibilities.

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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/25/2008 10:49:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, and I could actually live with going 99.99999999999999998 percent the speed of light, so I could catch a little scenery on the way to Betelgeuse.

The idea that there is absolutely nothing nowhere nohow that exceeds the speed of light is a generalism on my part, because if there is, we couldn't use it, it is not ponderable for us, no way to take advantage of it, no seeing it, no smelling it, no tasting it, no feeling it, no harnessing it, no knowing it. it is in the void, just like we can try to ponder that if the universe is expanding, it must be expanding into something.......well, for all intents and purposes, no it aint, because we can no more ponder that as real than we can ponder as real what is behind a steel door.

We can fantasize about it, no harm done.

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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/25/2008 11:32:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Cool article Mnot.  As I read it, it is refering to a flow of matter, nutrinos and particles, not atoms or more complex.  And particles can exhibit the wave duality thing, allowing it to get around the mass increasing as they speed up.  Similar effect is considred to have happened in the first billaseconds of the universe, the "Expansion Phase".  It went way faster than light, in a complicated method that I don't grasp the full math of, but made sense when I read it along with charts and equations. 

I think we should investigate the science of stopping things.  What would happen if something were actually stopped(or slowness approaching full stop)  (Remember our whole galaxy is hurtling through space at several hundred thousand miles an hour).

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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/25/2008 12:02:06 PM   
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The main use of the quantum teleportation is seen as a way to increase computing power, making such a quantum based computer faster - literally - than light.

While it may be an in-ponderable, it certainly will become something we can take advantage of.

Moore's law must be satisfied! 

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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/25/2008 12:06:38 PM   
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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/25/2008 12:15:32 PM   
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how does that work? supercolliders can't do it.  Neutrinos can't do it, blasars can't do it. Even your boy Tesla couldn't get 'er done, maybe spooky action at a distance can. nobody is carrying anything around in their pocket that is going at or beyond the speed of light.  Those to infinity and beyond the speed of light candy bars and cigarrette lighters you get in the SuperAmerica convienience store section are merely marketing gimmicks.

Nothing, no known matter, no unknown ponderable, nothing.....can exceed the speed of light.  Some can change the fabric of time and appear to get pretty quick, but are later proven out to be hoaxing you.

Ron   


Ron, I believe a black hole can suck in light, therefore is faster than light, also during Nova on absolute zero, when they were liquifying helium, they said the laser light was slowed down in the chamber, which makes me think that its possible, but man is far from it. Perhaps more in the way of magnetics?

still in our lifetime solar is worth it.

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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/25/2008 12:29:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		gravity sucking in light does not make it faster anymore than weighing you down with 500 pounds of chains makes me a faster runner than you. I just win the mass test is all.

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shit, light running thru water is slower, now if you want to slow down light that ain't no big fuckin' deal at all, since it does have mass.  In fact we have probably exceeded the most sluggish light in accelerators.

But that is cheating. And it don't change the outcome. Again apparent but hoaxing, and we desire actual, but could live with 80% of it if we were forced to, I should think, at least for a long time. 

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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/25/2008 12:50:55 PM   
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Cool article Mnot.  As I read it, it is refering to a flow of matter, nutrinos and particles, not atoms or more complex.  And particles can exhibit the wave duality thing, allowing it to get around the mass increasing as they speed up.  Similar effect is considred to have happened in the first billaseconds of the universe, the "Expansion Phase".  It went way faster than light, in a complicated method that I don't grasp the full math of, but made sense when I read it along with charts and equations. 

I think we should investigate the science of stopping things.  What would happen if something were actually stopped(or slowness approaching full stop)  (Remember our whole galaxy is hurtling through space at several hundred thousand miles an hour).


Luck,


Another article about them blasars was saying that when they measured an old one that particles that have been traveling to earth from one of them made it 4 minutes behind the others, and thought that the quantum foam may have been fucking with them. 

Regarding the other, the stop the insanity thing,  then we would see what one divided by zero is mathematically, or very near it before we all cakked.

The idea with the gaseous jet tho, taken all together it had a ponderous mass and was clipping right the fuck along.  Well, we are also component parts of nutrinos and protons and electrons that are somehow coagulated......that is the thought of it.

Decoupling mass somehow is gonna be an interesting trail to follow.


Beam me up, Scotty, gonna be a hell of a ride. 
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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/25/2008 12:59:49 PM   
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There is alot of other cool shit there.

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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/25/2008 5:19:10 PM   
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But the trouble is still there, there is no ponderable known or unknown that exceeds the speed of light, because at best, it would look massive (like lying with your face in the dirt and the earth is massive) and look like it is standing still, and at worst, we could never, ever detect it. 


Sure we can.  goog meyl, he demostrated it, also doddard dememonstrated it.  That is the Tesla long wave.  He is reported to have felt really bad that he had to fly to germany I think to correct one of his heros Mr Hertz, and Mr Hertz acquiesced but strangely enough it never made it to any of the texts.  Well except the underground ones.  Certain people want to have their certain heros at any cost.

It is nearly exactly 1.5 times "c", the speed of light and like ky's post it is nearly instant across a galaxy.  There is no speed limit.







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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/25/2008 6:47:54 PM   
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here are some links for you;

meyl shows tesla longitudinal electricity transmission in 2003
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4615804709108706714

http://www.etzs.de/onlineshop/product_info.php?products_id=6

Digital Scalarwave-Device    9.860,00 EUR
http://www.etzs.de/onlineshop/product_info.php?products_id=24

http://www.meyl.eu/go/index.php?dir=45_Video&page=1&sublevel=0





Now we dont want to foeget of course that MIT using einteiners tem waves failed and couldnt even run a laptop across the room.


there is no speed limit.

teslas long waves are like a galaxy long peice of wire.  As soon as you pull on one end the other end moves too.  Nearly instant.

as far as uses are concerned 1 watt transmitter power can transmit through a mountain.




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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/25/2008 7:45:06 PM   
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Ron, I believe a black hole can suck in light, therefore is faster than light, also during Nova on absolute zero, when they were liquifying helium, they said the laser light was slowed down in the chamber, which makes me think that its possible, but man is far from it. Perhaps more in the way of magnetics?

still in our lifetime solar is worth it.

I think they were talking about achieving a Bose-Einstein Condensate (just shy of stopping an atom).  Check out issues of Discover magazine fer more details.

thornhappy

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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/25/2008 10:01:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		1.5 times the speed of light is not anywhere close to instant accross the galaxy.  At 1.5c it would take 9 months just to get to Alpha Centauri.

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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/26/2008 5:39:05 AM   
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But the trouble is still there, there is no ponderable known or unknown that exceeds the speed of light, because at best, it would look massive (like lying with your face in the dirt and the earth is massive) and look like it is standing still, and at worst, we could never, ever detect it. 


Sure we can.  goog meyl, he demostrated it, also doddard dememonstrated it.  That is the Tesla long wave.  He is reported to have felt really bad that he had to fly to germany I think to correct one of his heros Mr Hertz, and Mr Hertz acquiesced but strangely enough it never made it to any of the texts.  Well except the underground ones.  Certain people want to have their certain heros at any cost.

It is nearly exactly 1.5 times "c", the speed of light and like ky's post it is nearly instant across a galaxy.  There is no speed limit.








this post and the links you provided show nothing of the kind.  Once again you have misinterpreted the very obvious.  This is the phenomenon that allows a barb wire fence running parallel to a high power line to electrify. The pulsating electric fields cause a sympathetic but of directly opposite synch so the simpletons view is simply that electricity is being sucked out of nothingness.
But really, this is how you can crank up your car stereo so that they can hear you coming two miles away, may I suggest, "off a pig for christ" by 2livecrew. 

For a glimpse of electrons and photons and their atomic paths  in the real world, (particle or wave duality) see this very famous video on standing waves...............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxTZ446tbzE

both of these phenomenons are actually quite a bit the same at the gross level since they are reinforced sympathetic harmonic vibrations.

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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/26/2008 5:48:15 AM   
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Ron, I believe a black hole can suck in light, therefore is faster than light, also during Nova on absolute zero, when they were liquifying helium, they said the laser light was slowed down in the chamber, which makes me think that its possible, but man is far from it. Perhaps more in the way of magnetics?

still in our lifetime solar is worth it.

I think they were talking about achieving a Bose-Einstein Condensate (just shy of stopping an atom).  Check out issues of Discover magazine fer more details.

thornhappy



Do you all know those two goofs set up a company to take advantage of that B-E C?  Made refrigerators with it, but everyone was scared of it and it never caught on, we should go back to making them.

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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/26/2008 7:23:03 AM   
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this post and the links you provided show nothing of the kind.  Once again you have misinterpreted the very obvious.  This is the phenomenon that allows a barb wire fence running parallel to a high power line to electrify. The pulsating electric fields cause a sympathetic but of directly opposite synch so the simpletons view is simply that electricity is being sucked out of nothingness.
But really, this is how you can crank up your car stereo so that they can hear you coming two miles away, may I suggest, "off a pig for christ" by 2livecrew. 

For a glimpse of electrons and photons and their atomic paths  in the real world, (particle or wave duality) see this very famous video on standing waves...............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxTZ446tbzE

both of these phenomenons are actually quite a bit the same at the gross level since they are reinforced sympathetic harmonic vibrations.

Rutherford





Hey Rutherford,

You might want to go back and listen to that video again.

He specifically pointed out they got these results at 10 times near field.

That means they were 10 times beyond the distance of any possible near field "induction" to occur which is the electrical term for the pheno you are trying to point out with your barbed wire example which is more of a magnetic induction action than a trans itter action.  The tacoma bridge while a kool demostration of resonance better indicates what is going on inside the components of the receiver antenna than the process of how the energy gets to the receiver antenna which is the point of the lesson.

I thought this would be more obvious than it is apparently.

That leaves you with the problem of the power falling off at the sqaure of the distance which he also demonstrated by blocking it with his hand when in the hertzian mode and to the contrary could not block it in the tesla scalar or long wave mode. (hertzian mode is standard tv and radio style of transmission), proving that the scalar wave transfers all the power from the source and picks up energy along the way, where they measured up to 1000 times efficiency.  Now tesla claimed up to 10,000 times eff is possible using this rig.  I might just take some time and build a couple coils this summer to putz with and transmit ULF in no mans land to keep the fcc off my ass.

If you said MIT was full of shit I would probably not even bother researching it and just take you at your word knowing their track record but do you really think that 3 german universities are going to get it wrong?  They do not have a huge oil industry to protect. (and theyre not owned)

I think you need to listen that again and understand precisely what he is talking about as he is kind of difficult to keep up with sometimes as his english is a bit broken and he talks in a sort of a short hand worse than I type.

Oh btw, I once won a bet with a few of my radio buddies when I bet them that I could take my 2 kw transmitter and run it full out to a picket fence.  :)  I am no stranger to transmission and induction pheno.

Nikola Tesla

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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/26/2008 1:12:02 PM   
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1.5 times the speed of light is not anywhere close to instant accross the galaxy.  At 1.5c it would take 9 months just to get to Alpha Centauri.


well thats just for its propagation speed. 

To understand this you have to imagine a galaxy long guitar string.  When you pluck it the whole string moves across its whole length then upon letting go the whole string produces sound and makes waves at the same time.

This only really says there is a whole nuther part of space that has been ignored by science, surely wouldnt want ludicrous power lol

Its pretty dangerous stuff really when ya get up into higher power levels as tesla was claimed to have caused an explosion somewhere in newfoundland when he was fucking around in new york with it that was atomic in nature but like a fusion bomb left virtually zero radiation.  Not sure how accurate that story is tho.




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RE: Free Energy another Inconvenient Truth - 3/26/2008 1:59:05 PM   
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