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lovewithoutfear -> RE: No Limits (3/27/2008 3:39:57 PM)
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ORIGINAL: MontrealPhoenix
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ORIGINAL: tsatske
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we have discussed this many many times on here (hopefully the lovely LA will slap down some old threads). anyone who is truly no limits is so mentally ill, he/she should not be in general society.
This is just insulting. Why do so many BDSMers feel that it is okay to insult the dynamics of others, when their own dynamics happen to be different?
On another board I sometimes visit, some vanilla has come along and registered just so he could flame, and told everyone, repeatedly:
Slavery is illegal. We fought a war to make slavery illegal.
Slavery is immoral. Human Bondage and Chattel is wrong.
There is no such thing as a slave in Todays free part of the world, (The U.S., U.K, ect.)
Words have meanings. No, I don't mean, words can mean anything you want them to, although I usually do not go around defining what words other people should use for their dynamic. But I do mean that arguments like 'slavery means no limits' are meaningless attempts to force your meanings into other peoples dynamics, and so is 'there is no such thing as no limits'.
No limits slaves have been browbeaten into being afraid to use the language that resonates most with them, because someone will come along and tell them that they should have their arms chopped off without anaesthesia, with a dull Swiss army knife, and that they (the no limits slave, not the person who suggested the Swiss army knife, don'tcha know?) are crazy. This is very much like telling slaves that they are doormats.
And we are not supposed to answer by saying that it is okay with us if Master decides to chop off our arms with a dull Swiss army knife, because that will only prove we are, indeed, crazy. Nor can we say, 'Master would never do that', because that just proves we must have talked it out, and therefore, we have limits, after all, and best be good little subbies and admit it.
All of us use symbolic language in this lifestyle. The word slave has been given new meaning by us, as lifestyles, because it is a symbolic word that resonates with us. The word Master has the same qualities.
I am a no limits slave. Master is not going to kill me or chop off my arms, but my contract says He CAN. And I am okay with that. And I am okay with you not being okay with that. No, it is not SSC. Call the SSC police if you want. Tell them to bring handcuffs, I have a bit of a steel fetish. (that was an understatement. Yet another form of symbolic language.)
It is RACK. I am aware of the risks I take, and they are consensual.
Here's another thing that some people don't like - consensual nonconsensuality. You don't need my consent today, you already have my enduring consent.
Not everyone has the same dynamic. I do not tell other people that their dynamic is wrong, or not real, or anything else. I do not try to talk people into my dynamic. If anything, I try to talk people out of it from time to time, as in, don't let anyone push you into this dynamic because it is what they want, make sure it is what you want.
And, btw, I am crazy as a bedbug, but Master knows that and agrees to deal with it. My therapist, my Master, and others who know me seem to think it is safe for me to be out in society at large, regardless of you, in your great, all seeing wisdom, thinking otherwise.
/end tirade
somehow i suspect that if you really were faced with your Master wanting to cut off your arm with anything, you would change your mind about being a no limits slave. In the theoretical is one thing, the reality of it, i suspect would be quite another.
I'm not saying that your dynamic is wrong, hey whatever floats your boat, i just don't think that if it came to this you would just hold out your arm and let him.
Uh, MontrealPhoenix, in repeating the criticisms that have already been addressed, you have just demonstrated that you missed the entire point of everything tsatske just said. The terminology is symbolic, and for those who use the terms "master and slave" to point fingers at people who use the term "no limits" and tell them they don't know what they mean by what they are saying is banal hypocrisy and just more of the browbeating this post refers to.
I was a no limits slave, till I was freed. Like tsatske and her master, he and I both knew there were things he wasn't inclined to do, although *our agreements said he could.* That was the point -- that was our kink, and I am royally tired of my kink being the kink it is OK to bash around here (well, mine and the Goreans').
Anyone who tells me I didn't or don't know what "no limits" meant, or that Sir and I could not define that term for ourselves, just the same as everyone defines other terms in this lifestyle for themselves, can shove off.
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