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RE: Past relationships... - 3/22/2008 2:50:26 PM   
Real_Trouble


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This, to me, is something of a catch-22 situation on the surface.

On one hand, I believe it to be unequivocally true that if you do not tell people about these things, and do not communicate clearly what the issues are, that you will end up with a clusterfuck.  They really do need to be out in the open, and if you are able to discuss them honestly, you are going to be doing both yourself and your Dom a huge favor.  Even the best Doms are not complete mind-readers; those truly intent on keeping secrets can almost always keep ones that cannot be easily verified, so long as they are held by one person.  You need to communicate.

On the other hand, you do risk alienating or pushing people away with this kind of knowledge.  Some people are not looking for this kind of thing, or do not want to deal with the baggage of other people; in truth, that is their decision to make, not yours.  Lying to them or hiding things so that they do not have to make it will, ultimately, be damaging in the long run to both of you, though.

So you need to tell the truth, but in doing so, you take a risk.

Now, with regard to how to do this... there is never a good time, but all you have to do is not pick a really bad time.  As long as something disasterously bad did not happen, make it clear you want to talk, and give at least some idea of what you want to talk about.  The real key is being able to communicate as clearly as possible, and being able to be realistic and honest about what you are saying.  I have one friend who likes to write a speech for herself before she does these things, because it helps her stay grounded; some kind of congitive trick like that might help if this is a charged issue.

Obviously you need trust as well.  You will have to decide when you feel comfortable on that one.

Also, a good point by CalifChick:

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Do you really want to be with someone who would judge you for what happened to you in the past? Do you really want to have a relationship with someone where you don't feel safe enough that you have to keep that big secret?


If you cannot share these things, or sharing them leads to the end of a relationship, it was not a relationship worth being in.  This, of course, assumes you built up some trust first.  If I was at a first encounter / contact and someone fired away with their entire life to me including all of their deep, dark secrets, I'd seriously doubt their ability to be discreet and trustworthy.  So take what I'm saying here in context...

But with regard to the not speaking thing - there are a myriad of reasons this could be the case, and attempting to guess blindly is not a good thing.  Be patient, see what happens.  If he vanished, he vanished, and you need to move on.  There is no point chasing, for the reasons in the paragraph above; now, I know that's easy to say and hard to do emotionally, but you have to be able to do that.  I've been in that kind of rough situation myself (the smart things vs. what I want on an immediate level), and I have consistently decided towards the former.  It has made me unhappy in the short term but happy in the long term every time I've done it, and I'd much rather that than the reverse.

Best of luck, and for once, I mean that.

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RE: Past relationships... - 3/22/2008 4:05:27 PM   
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RE: Past relationships... - 3/22/2008 4:10:54 PM   
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*waves at John & Libby*  hope y'all are well!! 

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RE: Past relationships... - 3/22/2008 4:54:17 PM   
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*waves at John & Libby*  hope y'all are well!! 


We're great.  We'll be at Beyond Leather in Florida in a few weeks and the third edition of Loving Dominant just came out... this time Libby is listed as co-author on the cover

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RE: Past relationships... - 3/22/2008 4:54:50 PM   
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Now its 2/3 weeks later and not a word has been said...I can understand in that my pushing him away has hurt him, and that maybe he needs sometime to figure out his feelings/views on this..but now there is no contact between us and I feel as if he has moved on, and I'm none the wiser if this was over the past relationship issue? my behaviour? or a combination of them both?


If he can't deal with what you told him...why would you want him???  Move on

I was  severe physically/mentually abused by my ex husband and I made sure my doms knew  the details  early on before play ever began that way they would know what areas on play may become an issue and where my head is at.

My first play scene was over 25 years since relationship ended with my husband, the last thing I had expected was to end up with a flash back  during my first flogging and having to stop the play and he held till I calmed down , but my dom knew and understood and we talked about why that flash back happened,   for me the thumping sensation of the flogger  on my back  triggered the sensation of being hit with a fist and I fell apart,   he convince me that that he would never do anything to physically harm me and that I as the sub had the power to decide and end play ,that basically he could not dominate/flog me without my consent and any time I found it too much for me I would always have the power to end play, once I accepted that in my head I was able to relax in our next session and he start off the flogging lighter and spent more time dragging it over me to create a more sensual feel, that session I ended up really getting off on and it became an exciting pleasurable experience rather than something I felt I had to endure.  He would not have been able to make it such a pleasant experience for me if he did not understand  what had happened in my past and had not taken the time to talk to me to understand why I reacted as I had, his words of advice letting me know that flogging was not like some form of punishment that I must endure and  letting me know that as a sub I actually had the power in our relationship made a huge impact on being able to retry  another flogging  and allowed a negative experience to become a very positive one.  A worthwhile dom will take your fears and past experiences into consideration to help make experiences the best they can  and if things do not go as expected will try to understand why inorder to help make things better the next time.  Inorder for that to happen  a sub needs a dom that is very open to communication and  is willing to discuss and understand past experiences, a dom that is self center and not willing can do more harm, so don' t think just any dom will do,  just because they call themselves a dominant, it is no different here than relationships in the vanilla world  some men will be caring and considerate and others are assholes  who are looking for an easy score, they come in all different flavours here ... make sure to find one who is willing to listen who will respect you and cares for you as a person first and foremost.



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RE: Past relationships... - 3/22/2008 5:01:52 PM   
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*waves at John & Libby*  hope y'all are well!! 


We're great.  We'll be at Beyond Leather in Florida in a few weeks and the third edition of Loving Dominant just came out... this time Libby is listed as co-author on the cover


wow! Excellent! I'll have to get another copy (since mine is STILL in storage in L.A..lol)


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RE: Past relationships... - 3/22/2008 5:40:11 PM   
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Hi Everyone,

Again thanks for all your varying replies. I just wanted to make one thing clear I didn't tell him this straight away, as indicated in a reply that I may have blabbed my whole life story in day one. We've been in contact for about 7 months, although I will be honest a couple of times I did walk away from him, mostly because I realised how I was feeling about him and that was quite scary, and unexpected. Now, although were not really talking I still feel the same, if not stronger. (Ironic huh) Whilst we weren't in touch I still missed him/thought about him.

When I did tell him about my past it wasn't in any attempt to make him feel sympathy towards me, or that it was really an issue to any type of d/s relationship we'd have. Mostly it was because I didn't want to get into a situation of playing/doing a scene together and have me freak out because he did something to trigger something from my past and for him to feel bad about the fact I had, all because he didn't have the knowledge about why I did.  There are really only two things that I can see being a trigger. These were in my hard limits and that is still the same when I told him what they were.

Nor did I give masses of details about what happened, how it happened, how I felt, the communication was just this happened, I dealt with it, it doesn't affect my submission, and nothing that you do is wrong, in fact the opposite is its amazing. So amazing is it that I'm not sure how I will feel about doing anything like this with someone else..hence why I'm drawn to him. I also communicated that I needed more reassurance than most, and that this is the reason why I find it harder to trust than others. 

I also understand if that means he is no longer interested. But I don't want to be in a situation like I'm in, where I've said I will commit to him, have done so, and am doing so...when I feel like he's not interested...maybe I need that reassurance thing. I don't know. I've asked him to let me know where I stand, and will now take a back seat...time will tell me if he's interested in me still. And I know if he isn't, it will be really hard, but thats just the risk isn't it.

Anyway, just wanted to update everyone. Please feel free to continue to share your views and experiences...always welcome.

Submissfi

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RE: Past relationships... - 3/22/2008 7:06:59 PM   
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When would you tell a vanilla person you were dating about your past? Why would a Dom be any different?

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RE: Past relationships... - 3/22/2008 8:04:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: submissfi

Hi Everyone,

Again thanks for all your varying replies. I just wanted to make one thing clear I didn't tell him this straight away, as indicated in a reply that I may have blabbed my whole life story in day one.


If you mean my post, let me clarify by saying I didn't believe you had done such a thing.

I have seen people do it, however (once to me!), and it can be problematic.  At no point did I mean to imply you did so, however.

Just want to make sure that was clear.  Enjoy.


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RE: Past relationships... - 3/22/2008 8:23:38 PM   
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Sounds like you could do with a little more work on your boundaries. Actually, we all could but that's a digression.

The thing is that is perfectly all right for you to say "I feel comfortable doing x, y and z but not a, b, and c." Without going into why in detail. If a guy asks, and you don't get the feeling he's looking for wanking material, then it's okay to say "due to some past experiences which I don't feel comfortable talking about yet". If he pushes, then he isn't the one for you.

After talking to this other guy for so long, it's a pity he didn't have the balls to tell you that he has problems dealing with your past. But better you didn't start anything then him claim he was fine with it and then tell you later he's been lying the whole time.

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RE: Past relationships... - 3/23/2008 7:06:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Real_Trouble

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ORIGINAL: submissfi

Hi Everyone,

Again thanks for all your varying replies. I just wanted to make one thing clear I didn't tell him this straight away, as indicated in a reply that I may have blabbed my whole life story in day one.


If you mean my post, let me clarify by saying I didn't believe you had done such a thing.

I have seen people do it, however (once to me!), and it can be problematic.  At no point did I mean to imply you did so, however.

Just want to make sure that was clear.  Enjoy.



Hi Real_Trouble,

No I wasn't under any impression thats what you were meaning. I just wanted people here to realise I didn't speak of what I experienced/went through in my past. I just said that the relationships had been abusive and what areas, ie...physically, verbally, sexually. No mass of details at all. Hope I didn't offend. Submissfi

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RE: Past relationships... - 3/23/2008 7:19:51 AM   
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Sounds like you could do with a little more work on your boundaries. Actually, we all could but that's a digression.

The thing is that is perfectly all right for you to say "I feel comfortable doing x, y and z but not a, b, and c." Without going into why in detail. If a guy asks, and you don't get the feeling he's looking for wanking material, then it's okay to say "due to some past experiences which I don't feel comfortable talking about yet". If he pushes, then he isn't the one for you.

After talking to this other guy for so long, it's a pity he didn't have the balls to tell you that he has problems dealing with your past. But better you didn't start anything then him claim he was fine with it and then tell you later he's been lying the whole time.


Hi DesFIP,

Thanks for your reply. I've worked hard to understand my boundaries, and have clearly communicated what they are. He is aware of these, and they haven't changed since my telling him of my past..they are still the same. He never asked about why I had these limits. I merely explained to him about it so that it could help him to understand my behaviour and why I needed more from him. I said I need to tell him something but it had to be when the time was right...(hmmm am now thinking perhaps the time wasn't right after all!)

He never pushed for what this was, he just said "Very well" and never spoke about it since...in fact we've not spoken since...am I being really stupid here and missing the point?..I've tried to carry on being his slave but now I'm feeling like I'm in no mans land...owned? not owned?  I'm not really going to look for another dom for a while, I'm going to take some time out from this lifestyle, sort out my head and emotions over all this...this is going to be a good few months.

I wouldn't judge him if he said he wasn't interested because of this...I just need that answer. And to be frank I think I deserve it. But am grateful I didn't get into a real situation/relationship and then find out he couldn't handle it, that would have been so much worse.

Submissfi  

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RE: Past relationships... - 3/23/2008 8:28:54 AM   
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I wouldn't judge him if he said he wasn't interested because of this...I just need that answer. And to be frank I think I deserve it. But am grateful I didn't get into a real situation/relationship and then find out he couldn't handle it, that would have been so much worse.



It is the reality of life that sometimes we will not get the answer directly from the person that we feel we deserve.  But, regardless if it comes directly or not... we do get an answer.  His silence speaks volumes of what his answer is.  Like any answer given directly, it is up to you to deal with it.  But, in the end, you can't seek closure on the issue with someone else.  You must seek closure on the issue within yourself.  No one can give you closure... you can only give that to yourself.

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RE: Past relationships... - 3/23/2008 8:42:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

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ORIGINAL: submissfi

I wouldn't judge him if he said he wasn't interested because of this...I just need that answer. And to be frank I think I deserve it. But am grateful I didn't get into a real situation/relationship and then find out he couldn't handle it, that would have been so much worse.



It is the reality of life that sometimes we will not get the answer directly from the person that we feel we deserve.  But, regardless if it comes directly or not... we do get an answer.  His silence speaks volumes of what his answer is.  Like any answer given directly, it is up to you to deal with it.  But, in the end, you can't seek closure on the issue with someone else.  You must seek closure on the issue within yourself.  No one can give you closure... you can only give that to yourself.


VERY well said

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RE: Past relationships... - 3/23/2008 4:49:13 PM   
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Personally I think the more each other knows about the other, the more communication they have with each other, the better the relationship will be.  I think it is important that you tell him this before the relationship goes too long and he might wonder or get frustrated about why you are not trusting him more.

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