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Age - Respect? - 3/23/2008 1:08:24 PM

mtl1466

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Hello to all,

I'll admit Im young, and personally in my opinion I believe that my age works to my disadvantage especially on sites such as this. People assume that Im just here to "get my rocks" off which of course isnt true. In reality I plan on writting my Sociology university thesis on the world of bdsm and how it applies to people of my age (since I have automatic feild study research, and a fair amount of knowledge already) Anyways not to drag on, but I find that people at munches and here online are unwillingly (not all but most) to talk about bdsm candidly, and often ignore me without a response at least. So my question to everyone is...Does age matter in you determining if you will respond, or effect your answers in any way?
Thanks for the imput in advance.

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RE: Age - Respect? - 3/23/2008 1:12:11 PM

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If you were to write to me and ask a question for your thesis I would be very open. Since I am collared I would not normally be contacted by you for anything else. However, I do believe that most women look for a man at least in his 30s if they are looking for a Dom, wanting to make sure that he has the maturity not to hurt them.

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RE: Age - Respect? - 3/23/2008 1:14:48 PM

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well, starting out by saying you're here to do a report won't help. most folk don't want to be examined like mold on bread. we know there are people in the world that would look at us like freaks, and we do our best to avoid them. just seems to be common curtosy. - just phoenix

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RE: Age - Respect? - 3/23/2008 1:15:06 PM

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Personally, I respond to those who demonstrate an actual desire to learn, regardless of their age.

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RE: Age - Respect? - 3/23/2008 1:15:19 PM

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Im 21 and interestingly I did an essay on BDSM for a module in sociology that I did. I found that people spoke candidly to me once I explained the reasons I was asking, my ethical code and what they could expect from me as a researcher. This is regardless of age, I think often people will be quiet about these things not due to your age but due to levels of trust, this is a personal and private thing for many and not everyone will want to divulge thier own personal experiances to someone on the internet.

In regards to your research use the search facility to look up the word age and you will find lots and lots of writing already there, of course you know that if you decide to use anyones ideas you have to get persmission but then its easy to message them and I certainly never had a problem with it, and of course gave my finished piece to all that helped to create it. Good luck with your thesis

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RE: Age - Respect? - 3/23/2008 1:18:05 PM

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lol, i could be wrong, it's happened before, still laughing- just phoenix

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RE: Age - Respect? - 3/23/2008 1:23:18 PM

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Your profile indicates that you are 19 years old. For me, that is way to close to legal age limits. Also, do you appear that you could potentially be less than 18 years old? If this is the case, it should not surprise you that people shy from you. I can think of few sins worse than children and better to error on the side of conservatism.

Another aspect is believability of your "thesis." At 19 you are most likely a sophmore at college. Not many sophmores author a thesis, this is generally reserved for seniors and most appropriately graduate students. While I do not doubt your sincerity, I do point out that to some you may not be believable.

Again, I do not want to bandy words about your honesty and sincerity. I point out, however, that your age calls in to question some of your statements.

I wish you the best of luck with your research. Remember that information provided within this forum and at munches is biased and therefore largely invalid when applying to the larger population. You will need expand your sample set greatly. Also remembering your sampling needs to be random. From the description you are using a method referred as cluster sampling. This is highly biased and not random. Further, how do you intend to quantify your research data? Why not complete a questionaire, post it, and review the responses. I, for one, would be interested in the results.

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RE: Age - Respect? - 3/23/2008 1:23:23 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: chaosforge

well, starting out by saying you're here to do a report won't help. most folk don't want to be examined like mold on bread. we know there are people in the world that would look at us like freaks, and we do our best to avoid them. just seems to be common curtosy. - just phoenix

In this regard it of course depends on your own codes of ethics. I think that research can be good becuse it helps people understand, people call others frieaks when they dont understand something, when something seems odd. A university essay doesnt get published publically unless it is exceptional and even if it does I know that we had to honour a code whereby NO personal details are put into the works whatsoever.

All research has to follow strict rules about confidentiality etc etc and you can as a research subject ask to see the work before its submitted. Unfortunatly closing yourself off wont make people not view you as freaks and it just makes for less accurate work (people will still write pieces on subjects like these, the more people who contribute the more accurate they will be) Of course on the flip side sociological pieces have the problem that no matter what methodology you use no generalisations can ever be made unless you asked ever single person practicing BDSM, and then you have the problem of definitions etc, so it will all be very subjective anyway.

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RE: Age - Respect? - 3/23/2008 1:26:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: MD1Master
Also remembering your sampling needs to be random. From the description you are using a method referred as cluster sampling. This is highly biased and not random. Further, how do you intend to quantify your research data? Why not complete a questionaire, post it, and review the responses. I, for one, would be interested in the results.

the sample is dependant on the subject, for areas such as this cluster and snowball sampling are actually perfectly valid, also there is no indication as to whether the resaerch will be quantative or qualiative if qualitive then obviously the empahisis will be on smaller groups and subjective ideas, of course if quantative then your suggestions are important, but unlike many forms of research BDSM doesnt provide a conveniant sample frame, using a website like this has drawbacks in that its largely US based and that it will not include people without a computer, of course there will be other errors in that people as pheonix said will not want to respond

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RE: Age - Respect? - 3/23/2008 1:31:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: mtl1466
So my question to everyone is...Does age matter in you determining if you will respond, or effect your answers in any way?

Come back when you're older and ask that.

Just kidding.

No, age does not matter to me. Why should it? Young or not, you're still a human being.

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RE: Age - Respect? - 3/23/2008 1:32:44 PM

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I've noticed that people (in general) tend to be more agreeable to younger subs/slaves than they do to younger doms. You shouldn't have too much of a problem.

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RE: Age - Respect? - 3/23/2008 1:40:06 PM

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I think Blanket questions on a Forum get bad results if you contact people who post on forums and ask a specific question about something I am sure you will get better responces. Also you may wish to start reading personal journal entries on this site. Mine for instance give a very extensive view into my personal background.

Reading profiles and journals and then asking personal questions while giving full disclosure about what you are doing should help to have people open up it also will take people off the defensive and tell you things that otherwise they might not.

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RE: Age - Respect? - 3/23/2008 1:43:50 PM

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'guess i see the concern of a personal code on this matter. seems a practical way to handel it. -just phoenix

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RE: Age - Respect? - 3/23/2008 1:44:00 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mtl1466

Hello to all,

I'll admit Im young, and personally in my opinion I believe that my age works to my disadvantage especially on sites such as this. People assume that Im just here to "get my rocks" off which of course isnt true. In reality I plan on writting my Sociology university thesis on the world of bdsm and how it applies to people of my age (since I have automatic feild study research, and a fair amount of knowledge already) Anyways not to drag on, but I find that people at munches and here online are unwillingly (not all but most) to talk about bdsm candidly, and often ignore me without a response at least. So my question to everyone is...Does age matter in you determining if you will respond, or effect your answers in any way?
Thanks for the imput in advance.

Age only matters in two cases for me for online communication.

#1: The purpose of why communication has started.

If someone is contacting me personally regarding a potential personal dynamic and they don't fall into the age range I am comfortable with, I will tell them so.

If they are merely contacting me for information or it is on a general board, then see #2.

#2: The age of the person needs to be 18+ (or legal age for my society which by and large is 18+ for most sexual things). I do not feel I should risk my own and my family's well being by speaking with someone whom I know is underage.

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RE: Age - Respect? - 3/23/2008 1:44:22 PM

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It depends.

This, of course, is my answer to virtually everything. I would suggest the following:

1 - Many of us value our privacy highly, so contacting me about a survey, paper, or what not is likely to get you ignored or (more likely) declined and then excoriated for your poor experimental methodology.

2 - Age, in general, is meaningless so far in my experience. There might be some level of correlation with certain positive traits, but I haven't found it in my personal interactions so far. In short, I know some really dumb young people, and some really dumb old people.

3 - However, society holds to a belief that with age comes knowledge (perhaps, but only if you try to accumulate it). So yes, social prejudice will work against you, like it or not.

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RE: Age - Respect? - 3/23/2008 2:04:11 PM

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Thanks for all the imput thus far, Ill be sure to cite this in my work cited at the end;) And great point by Lynxx, it makes sense that people would seem to be more comfortable with younger subs than doms, as younger doms you dont know how well they are with the whip yet.:) dont want to hit the ribs...with the little real time experience I have, I know that much haha.

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RE: Age - Respect? - 3/23/2008 2:07:30 PM

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See i took this as a general pondering not as what you were going to use as your research,
What is your hypothosis?
whats the question?
what responses are you looking for?
How are you standardizing it?

If this is seriously what you are going to use for your research I suggest you resign yourself for failure

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RE: Age - Respect? - 3/23/2008 2:21:26 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mtl1466

Thanks for all the imput thus far, Ill be sure to cite this in my work cited at the end;) And great point by Lynxx, it makes sense that people would seem to be more comfortable with younger subs than doms, as younger doms you dont know how well they are with the whip yet.:) dont want to hit the ribs...with the little real time experience I have, I know that much haha.

And some see someone younger as more likely to be in less control of themselves emotionally.

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RE: Age - Respect? - 3/23/2008 2:40:06 PM

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Whilst age is only a number and possibly doesn't or shouldn't be an issue, there are however a largish number of youngish ladies who just will not have anysort of intimate relationship with a man olde enough to be her father. However from a sociological aspect, the age question is often strongly influenced by ethnic mores and sociological issues. Foe example here in Australia, we are a nation who worships youth and all things young. This has been a driving force in our society for over 40 years. In general within society and certainly sociologically, it evident (and many Aussies would decry this but it is there for anyone to see), in the prevailing attitude ant if you're over 35 you are too old and not worthy unless you are of the minority who is wealthy. From my own observations and listening to people from various parts of the country, it appears that once yhou hit 50, few sub/.slaves are interested. I have a vested interest in this matter and will probably iuse this as part of a thesis I am considering..

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RE: Age - Respect? - 3/23/2008 2:47:23 PM

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Whilst age is only a number and possibly doesn't or shouldn't be an issue, there are however a largish number of youngish ladies who just will not have anysort of intimate relationship with a man olde enough to be her father. However from a sociological aspect, the age question is often strongly influenced by ethnic mores and sociological issues

Its true that Age is linked with other factors such as the society in which you are born to, for example my generation are lucky in that coming out of the demonstrations for equality in racial, gender and sexual preferance we are far more able to be open about our own desires and who we feel we are, this could certainly be a fantastic study into the growing numbers of youths activly involved in BDSM, which of course could be heavily linked to the growth of the internet and the general sexuality of modern popular culture.

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