Termyn8or
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angel,I want to get back to you on this first, right now.
"Myself and another fellow inspected the bag that the man was so hell bent on keeping hold of. It was his daughters body, or at least some of it. until that moment I didn't even know why we were there. "
Are you talking about 1991 ?
The first thing I want to say is that I do not want to hurt you in any way. I think it a sign of strength in fact to write what you wrote. You are probably among our bravest and best, and if I were wearing a hat it would come off. I mean that, I really mean that. They tell you of all these horrible things and goings on and you are led to believe that you are doing right, possibly that you are even the hand of God or some Creator. They get you to lay down, or at least risk your life, and those who started the mess would never dream of doing so, in fact they are the most protected people in the world.
We, the civvies, will gladly stand beside you against any attacker, but back then we had not been attacked since Pearl Harbor.
I read your profile and you seem to value the truth, so that is what you get. Wars are fought over material gains. The only exception that comes to mind is the holy wars many centuries ago. How did Rome pick her adversaries ?
The land itself is a material asset. The fact of the matter is that when we aren't looking basically Israel is going to pull the wool over our eyes like they did in 1967 to further the Zionist goal of "Greater Israel". I have seen the map and they want alot. But it is clear that they do not intend to use Iraq for population much, or consider the land arable, otherwide they would not have allowed us to use depleted uranium weapons there. Yes you read that right.
Long time ago, there was a shortage of phosphorous. It was bad, and this is an element, we can't make it, not at all. The material was needed for two important things,among a few others, but the major two were TV sets, which are their modicum of control over the population, and phoshour bronze, bearings for submarines, in fact quite a few vessels that travel the sea. President Diem was not being very friendly to us and had to be removed. Thus the assassination and war. I know people who were there, and once we controlled the areas where the phosporous was located we started mining at full capacity day and night. I know people who were there.
Now Serbia, I see a parallel, but I cannot say for sure, but from what I have gleaned, and this is from all over the place, Serbia has cadmium. Cadmium is very important to any nuclear technology. It plays a very important role and therefore is important, being an element of course we cannot make it.
The only assumption I could make is that Milesovic turned on them. He wouldn't play ball anymore. He was fine up until one day. Then they moved against him. They found a way to co-opt the cadmium miner's union(s), and used that as a foothold to start a coup. Milesovic's people put it down, but then every mangled body was considered blood on his hands. If he was in the good graces of the powers that be, his ethnic cleansing would have been called restoring order and rule of law.
You think I am kidding ? Look at all the tyrannical governments we support. Look at Iraq, we PUT Saddam in power. Literally. It happened back when Iran had the hostages from the US embassy, for a hundred and how many days ? Every day on the TV there was the number of days they had been held. Where is that media blitzkrieg (sp) coverage now ?
The world thinks we are a piece of shit andf I am starting to agree. That does not take away from the sacrifice you made for our country, that stands. You acted bravely and effectively in our name and don't think for a moment that we do not appreciate what you did.And don't think for a moment that I don't understand the scars impressed on your mind by the experience. I admit that mine are not as deep.
But I know what it is, just not as severly.
I really appreciate your fortitude and honesty posting that post. It caught my eye because it gives a more down to Earth description of what war is like. I have been in a few scuffles, bad ones but nothing like that.
And the main problem I have with war is the reasons. And there is one other thing, if you value the truth, it is very likely that the child was killed with American weapons. You can naysay all you want, but it is still almost certain. You see Saddam was armed by the US previously.
So either way that is my tax dollars at work. I do not like that.
The thing is with Iraq, we started the whole fucking mess in the first place. Why ?
We started Vietnam, We started Korea, in each case tring to influence their government, while still propping up others. Why ?
I got along with the Junkman, he was tough, twenty years my senior and had a reputation. He was bad and he was tough. He was known to kick some ass. Word on the street was not to fuck with the Junkman. I got along with him, he too valued the truth, and those who he did not get along with usually had lied to him. He quit drinking eventually but I knew him before that. One day we are bullshitting and this was a day after he had a bad night kinda, he says "I looked in the mirror and asked myself why ? ".
That makes sense along with what one of the founding Fathers said, something to the effect that if you really want to test a Man's character, give him power. That came clear to me. I hadn't even heard it yet. I think it was Lincoln but I could be wrong. But the concept.
The concept of having strength and not throwing it around, it seems to elude people today.
I post this because I appreciate the work you did, risking life and limb, all that, but I have a problem with your boss. He caused that terrible experience. Not you.
Folks, this person has brought in a small glimpse of what war really is. The part of it you will not experience in the armchair. It is simply wrong to sit there and say "Yup we gotta go in" without knowing what that means.
Had the Man angel and company happened across on that road been much younger and armed, he would have engaged those members of the occupying force. You are talking bloodshed.
And if war came to us, I would be right there, but we brought war to them.Which brings us back to that question :
Why ?
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