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RE: Please don't look away - 3/25/2008 2:31:59 AM

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Don't you think it's about time people stopped fighting the Second World War?

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RE: Please don't look away - 3/25/2008 7:09:36 AM

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in response to my drunk driving xtra. people cry over 4000 people who have served and died for their country yet more than 10000 people die every year from drunk driving and very little of the pouplation gives a crap .........

so why give a crap about 4000 over 5 years......

yes it is a callous way to look at it but OFW

Maybe we could give a crap about both?

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RE: Please don't look away - 3/25/2008 7:11:09 AM

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Thank you for your post and perspectives, Term. Much to think about.

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RE: Please don't look away - 3/25/2008 7:22:50 AM

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It isn't that simple, Tee. If the site gets regular updates, there are 4000 names on there. Are you suggesting that every parent and/or widow is endorsing this??? A significant percentage? A few Cindy Sheehan wannabees who assume they can speak for everybody?

Those names don't belong to that organization.

It's a matter of public record, TH. Do you believe they should be kept from public view? Wouldn't that connote shame?

These are parents and families, not people putting faces on t-shirts for profit...how can they be exploiting their own? And don't they have a right to speak from this perspective? (And don't we have some sort of imperative to hear them?)

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RE: Please don't look away - 3/25/2008 7:24:54 AM

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tee you're a hottie !!

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RE: Please don't look away - 3/25/2008 7:28:16 AM

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As for the political side, I hate this war. I come from a military family, I have One brother there now, Another that may be going in a few months (he will leave for bootcamp a week after his 18th birthday), several close cousins that are there, countless childhood friends, and several close friends. Everytime I hear about more deaths in Iraq, My heart stops, until I can be sure everyone in my prayers is safe. Then I feel extreme guilt for having that 'thank god it hasn't touched ME' feeling.
I hate this war, However, I would never ever fault the soldiers for it. They didn't ask to be taken away from their fmilies, but they have gone, because they made a commitment. I do not support this war, but I support the soldiers.

and personally on another topic, would love to slap the SHIT out of those Westboro baptist church hatemongers that protest the soldiers funerals. I am usually a pretty peaceful, to each his own type of person, but I would like to take a high voltage cattle prod to those creeps.

[Emphasis added] Scarlett, I spoke to the t-shirt remarks you made in response to TheHeretic. To what I have bolded above, I have to strenuously call bullshit. Why would you write that here? Do you know anyone, anyone who blames the troops for this war? Is it your suggestion that these parents and families of the dead are blaming their sons and daughters? Shame.

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RE: Please don't look away - 3/25/2008 7:37:28 AM

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Do you know anyone, anyone who blames the troops for this war?

Sure. Quite a few, although few will admit it publicly.

NorthernGent believes the troops are at fault, as just one example of someone who believes that, and is willing to publicly state such.

There are enough who say they don't, yet act otherwise, like yeast in bread of the anti-war movement.

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RE: Please don't look away - 3/25/2008 7:50:14 AM

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Ok. I'm buying that, because I've been reading his stuff on gender. It's hard to believe some of that is not trying just to be incendiary.

This war, however, is not a war in which populations of any significance display the ignorance it would take to blame the troops....not to be incendiary

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RE: Please don't look away - 3/25/2008 1:34:57 PM

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Yes, it is a "blanket" statement. And you, as anyone, are entitled to your opinion. What bothers me, though, are those folks who have and act on their opinions that send others to fight , bleed and die for them.If you think that fighting and dying for something is worth it, then, by all means, be my guest.

since were an all volunteer military, id say thats exactly what our soldiers are doing. and i thank and respect each and every one of them.

one thing i found ironic in the stats on the link was the place with the fewest casualties....it was dc. says a lot to me.

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RE: Please don't look away - 3/25/2008 3:58:56 PM

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Yes, it is a "blanket" statement. And you, as anyone, are entitled to your opinion. What bothers me, though, are those folks who have and act on their opinions that send others to fight , bleed and die for them.If you think that fighting and dying for something is worth it, then, by all means, be my guest.

since were an all volunteer military, id say thats exactly what our soldiers are doing. and i thank and respect each and every one of them.

one thing i found ironic in the stats on the link was the place with the fewest casualties....it was dc. says a lot to me.

You make a good point, however, cosider that people volunteer for a variety of reasons. For some, it's a way up and out of the welfare line, or off uneployment rolls. For others, it may be a way to provide benefits to a family that otherwise wouldn't be available to them. Others, young kids, may be ,and have been, sucked in by unscrupulous reqcruiters wo have quotas to meet and make promises they cannot, and have no intention of keeping. Still others, I'm sure, simply because they want a chance to blow shit up.

As was said earlier in this thread, I don't know of anyone who does not support the troops. There are various ways to support them and some of those ways are listed on the site the OP linked to begin with.

The point I'm trying to make is, that once one goes into the service, one has to go and do as one is ordered or go awol, or face courtmartial. The responsibility here, imo, lies with the "leadership" which badly misjudged what the consequences of invading I raq would be .W could have asked his daddy why he didn't invade Iraq during "Desert Storm". G.B.the first cleary understood the consequences and decided to be "prudent", as he liked to say.. But W, as he has said, regarding this, consulted his "Higher Father" instead and lied to the country, the U.N. and the world to further his cabals' agenda.. What a fine mess he's gotten us into, Ollie.

My concern is to stop the useless bloodshed and other costs in a cause that is already lost. The nation had this exact same debate in the last years of the VietNam war. How many died, uselely, then when it was clear to those who would see ,and certainly to those in power who had more facts and data, and how many more need die this time? I guess the answer ,my friends, is still blowin' in the wind, sadly. Breaks my heart.

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