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falling dollar - 3/26/2008 5:55:12 AM   
aviinterra


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A vid that recently aired on Dutch tv on the collapse of the US dollar.

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/03/19/documentary-examines.html

I believe that we shall see a lot of changes in our lives soon, I just hope not all shall be bad.
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RE: falling dollar - 3/26/2008 11:19:47 PM   
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The collapse of the dollar? You guys crack me up.

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RE: falling dollar - 3/27/2008 2:05:19 AM   
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I just want the depression to come.  The sooner it starts the sooner it will end.  I'm tired of high gas prices. 

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RE: falling dollar - 3/27/2008 2:27:22 AM   
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quote:

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I just want the depression to come.  The sooner it starts the sooner it will end.  I'm tired of high gas prices. 


... why did i think of  ....

                                                                  let them eat cake?

                                                                                                               yeah, i know it was a bad translation ...

High gas prices will just be crumb in the cake ...

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RE: falling dollar - 3/27/2008 2:57:38 AM   
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there will be No Depression.....Hell, statstically we are not in a recession....Econ. 101
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RE: falling dollar - 3/27/2008 11:23:07 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SilverMark

there will be No Depression.....Hell, statstically we are not in a recession....Econ. 101
SM



Hey SM, you know better than to tell the truth here. Much better to react hysterically to things.

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RE: falling dollar - 3/27/2008 12:03:36 PM   
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junk silver.

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RE: falling dollar - 3/27/2008 1:03:30 PM   
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I thought people were just supposed to take pills to prevent depression *hehee*

MY DOLLAR JUST COLLAPSED IN MY HAND!!!

It's alright people, I have tape.............


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RE: falling dollar - 3/28/2008 7:44:04 AM   
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I just want the depression to come.  The sooner it starts the sooner it will end.  I'm tired of high gas prices. 


This is Darcy

If you think you've got it bad you should come and fill your tank up over here! Prices have gone up over ten percent in the last few months alone, taking the avarage price of a gallon of unleaded petrol to somewhere around $12.

Plus we've been promised further increases above inflation for the forseeable future.

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RE: falling dollar - 3/28/2008 7:44:48 AM   
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I miss the Euro  .

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RE: falling dollar - 3/28/2008 7:48:37 AM   
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I'm actually happy to see the dollars value falling. It means that the prices of chinese stuff is going to go up-and there is a chance of american goods actually coming up to par in price.

The increasing oil prices will help as well-it costs a lot to ship chinese goods here on freighters. At the same time,american goods are now quite competitive with european ones-seeing as how the euro is now quite high in comparision to our currency. All things even out in time, and something that seems bad is not always so.

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RE: falling dollar - 3/28/2008 7:50:15 AM   
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But most of all, I miss the Swiss franc. Now there's a solid currency.

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RE: falling dollar - 3/31/2008 9:47:56 AM   
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Just for clarification a recession is defined as 2 zero or negative growth quarters successivly.
That isn't to say the economy isn't faded we all know that, but to say there is a coming depression or that we are as a nation experiencing a recession would be incorrect.
As an independent business owner I also feel the pinch but, at least understand the terms before you claim them to be fact.

SM


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RE: falling dollar - 3/31/2008 10:24:11 AM   
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There is always the danger that this becomes a self fulfilling prophecy with all this talk of recession. The only thing that will stop it is if consumer confidence increases and they decide to spend money rather that hoard it. It is unlikely consumer confidence will increase soon due to the amount of debt people have already taken on.

There is no plus side of a weak dollar boosting exports if no one wants to buy them. In the end you'll just turn into a service dominated industry.

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RE: falling dollar - 4/1/2008 2:54:47 AM   
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We are in a recession, but it is a bit different this time.

Of course I have to clarify that, here goes. The clinical definition of a recession has not been met. But that is because of the way the GNP is defined. That number does not take into account how the profits of non-productive industries are offsetting the loss of productive industries. It has nothing to do with trade imbalance nor offshore outsourcing of jobs.

It is a simplistic number, generated for use in the pablum fed to the American people.

The fact belie the facts. There is not high unemployment, but that figure is wrong as well. They take it from the unemployment rolls, and there are quite a few people who have run out of benefits and are no longer eligible, therefore they do not count among the unemployed in the official figure.

Some of them are considered unemployable due to the fact that the one job they do has been outsourced overseas. And there is a larger than you might think comtingent of people who really are unemployable. We have a larger percentage of truly disabled people than any other country in the world. We also have more people who are just too plain stupid to hold a job. And then there are the others, who I don't even want to talk about.

We owe, and we owe alot. We owe more than our entire population can pay in a human lifetime. We owe more than our kids can pay in their lifetime. And the wealth to pay it will never be created. That is because our currency policy actually amounts to a Ponzi scheme. And it has been that way since before most of us were born.

We do not have the means to recover. Back in WW2 recovery was accomplished by war, we did not have to go in, but it was good economically, or so it seemed. It made work for the people and they were happier to be self sufficient. Even though every dime they got paid was borrowed, they still got paid.

Thing is back then they got paid to produce things, even though most was for the war, they got paid. The Cadillac plant was known as the Cadillac tank plant. They kept alot of the workers on. There were less Cadillacs and more tanks.

Well things have changed. We build cars, but how many are exported ? We build computer chips and some of them are exported and brought back in equipment with alot of value added. Why didn't we add that value ? We export some bombs, but that is not a mass market. And others really don't want our missiles and warplanes anymore because they are behind the curve.

If we can't export something, and I mean GET MONEY FROM SOMEBODY ELSE, we are screwed. Truthfully, you might not see it this way, but if our goods do not sell abroad, there is no reason for us to be in a world economy. Think about this carefully before you flame me, if we can't sell anything TO OTHER COUNTRIES we would be better off as an isolationist nation. That is simple irrefutable logic. If you always lose, find a different game.

It don't get much plainer than that.

So we can push out twenty or thirty CAT scanners a year, and they sell how many abroad ? And what do we make per, maybe thirty grand ?

But then the Chinese sell 5 million TVs here. Even if they only made a dollar apiece they are way ahead.

I do not even want to go into what we are heading for. The dollar will not recover, there is no way. They fixed it really good for us. The thing is to break the addiction. We will all have to live on less and spend more to survive, That is a fact of life, and it is not going to change.

Look for the "Made in the U.S.A." label on the things that you buy. Even if you could buy all American, you would not be helping the situation, you would only be hurting it less. And you can't do it. The last time I saw "Made in the U.S.A." it was on a box of paper clips. You can't drive a box of paper clips. You might be able to eat them, but I don't think you could quite thrive on them.

And now that we import over half of our food, that is also tied to the"value" of the dollar.

I am glad to not have kids, we are in for big trouble.

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RE: falling dollar - 4/1/2008 3:20:45 AM   
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George Soros was on the news here yesterday, advising that the post war growth period we have had for the last sixty years is now over, and we will all be much poorer in the coming years.

As a guy who makes his fortune on interpreting whats going on, he might be right. Mind you, he might also be talking us into accepting he's right because he has a cushy deal set up when we all start panicking.

And for UK viewers - this is the guy who started the run on the pound in the early 90s when we were in the ERM, that so seriously damaged us, and made him a fortune in a day. And for US viewers - I wouldnt at all put it past him to do likewise to the dollar if he sees an opportunity - remember, its his right and duty in a free market to fuck the rest of you over.

But not to worry; his foundation spends millions every year on charity work. So if and when you've been fucked over, maybe you can get some soup and second hand shoes from the same source - now there's convenience for you.

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RE: falling dollar - 4/1/2008 3:39:47 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SilverMark

Just for clarification a recession is defined as 2 zero or negative growth quarters successivly.
That isn't to say the economy isn't faded we all know that, but to say there is a coming depression or that we are as a nation experiencing a recession would be incorrect.
As an independent business owner I also feel the pinch but, at least understand the terms before you claim them to be fact.

SM




yeh its something like the vote.   as if we can really trust any of the numbers in the first place.

down 20  up 2,

repeat till nothing left. 

at least it wasnt "defined as a recession"  LOL



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RE: falling dollar - 4/1/2008 6:49:06 AM   
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George Soros was on the news here yesterday, advising that the post war growth period we have had for the last sixty years is now over, and we will all be much poorer in the coming years.

As a guy who makes his fortune on interpreting whats going on, he might be right. Mind you, he might also be talking us into accepting he's right because he has a cushy deal set up when we all start panicking.



Yanno.....I can


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RE: falling dollar - 4/1/2008 7:00:18 AM   
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Asia is financing us?  I find that hard to believe.   Everyone just relax.  
We are merely experining high inflation along with a world recession like we did when Jimmy Carter was President.  Our problems are due to a number of things such as high gas prices, high food prices, and low wages.
It will bottom itself out.  We have lived through it before, and we will live t hrough it again.
We all need to use as little fuel as we can.   Prices are determined by supply and demand.  We control the prices with the exception of imported oil.
Now, the oil hike is due to the war and the draining of resources needed to finance that.
 
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RE: falling dollar - 4/1/2008 7:20:13 AM   
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the numbers are all smoke and mirrors.

when i spend  $40  it buys what $20 used to.     $10 is the new $5, and $1  is more like 0.55.

so there ya go.

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