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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
You know, it's funny, if an *American* parent is convicted of a crime you never hear people protestring for (them) to be let go so that they won't be "seperated from their children."
I wonder why that is?
Enforcing our laws is not "optional".

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ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan

Wouldn't you agree that it entirely depends on the crime committed as to whether people would be 'championing' the cause of the convicted parent to be reunited with their children. I, personally, find it abhorrent that a mother is separated from her child during incarceration, however, what other options are there.

While I have been a member of CM for a number of years, it is only in recent months that I have really participated in the boards, so care to show me a link that supports your comment, Popeye?

Enforcing laws is not optional, agreed. Justice shouldn't be either.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
You know, it's funny, if an *American* parent is convicted of a crime you never hear people protestring for (them) to be let go so that they won't be "seperated from their children."
I wonder why that is?
Enforcing our laws is not "optional".

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
MissMorrigan, my anger lays with my government.
Had they been doing their job all along like they should have been doing we wouldn't be having these problems, would we?
They've been hearing from me and tens of millions of  the voters and I'm going to take it up a few notches.
When I say that enforcing our laws is not optional I'm referring to some people in government who (seem to think) that they can "cherry pick" which laws "they" want to enforce.
As for "links" these are my opinions.
Do I need a "link" to express my opinions as an American Citizen?
Maybe they do in G.B. but we don't here.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
When I say that enforcing our laws is not optional I'm referring to some people in government who (seem to think) that they can "cherry pick" which laws "they" want to enforce.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


I don't recall anyone suggesting his point (or for that matter, any more than 1% of his posts are) rational, use any known level of logic or common sense, or for that matter, appear to be the expressions of anyone with an IQ above a kumquat.

Just that they're honest and consistent.

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ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan

Popeye, of course I understand your frustration and anger. The loopholes/flaws in our respective countries is egregious. I think the overall consensus of this thread is that we want to see an end to the mismanagement of immigration issues. Politicians/people in authority have always abused their positions of power, however, don't you think that having a blanket law applicable to a minority group also has the potential to create injustices b/c all the while those directives are enforced, it disallows cases which require scrutiny on an individual basis.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
MissMorrigan, my anger lays with my government.
Had they been doing their job all along like they should have been doing we wouldn't be having these problems, would we?
They've been hearing from me and tens of millions of  the voters and I'm going to take it up a few notches.
When I say that enforcing our laws is not optional I'm referring to some people in government who (seem to think) that they can "cherry pick" which laws "they" want to enforce.
As for "links" these are my opinions.
Do I need a "link" to express my opinions as an American Citizen?
Maybe they do in G.B. but we don't here.

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ORIGINAL: SeeksOnlyOne
the point im trying to make is.......this woman also continues to have babies, never worked, was obviously mentally ill, got food stamps, ssi, welfare, and who knows what else.  she put no effort whatsoever into doing anything for her kids, except birthing them.  we also helped her when we could with hand me downs, but there was no outcry from the school when her children were taken away....it was more a sigh or relief for we knew those children were maybe going to have a chance to know love and tenderness in their lives before it was too late.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
MissMorrigan, now illegal aliens are a "minority group?"
The thing is that it's not my problem that people in foreign countries have it tough.
If that's the case then they or their governments need to change.
It's not my job as a U.S. Citizen to be providing foreign nationals with jobs, medical care, housing or anything else either in the U.S. or in their countries.
Their "reasons" for sneaking into my country are not important.
It is a federal felony to enter the U.S. other than through a legal port of entry or to overstay a visa.

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ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan

It seems there's a misdirection of anger there, Popeye. Children that are brought illegally into the US/UK by their parents aren't sneaking in, they have no choice in the matter, I'm sure you'll agree. We're all aware of the legalities, but as it's been pointed out, frequently throughout this thread, those legalities are being used against those who were raised in our respective countries and I cannot see it an act of 'justice' by then imposing such laws. There's a huge distinction between those who enter a country illegally than those who were raised there by parents that flouted the laws. "Tough shit" really doesn't cut it. As for a citizen providing houseing/medical care, etc... that's rather a moot point especially when such people have been contributing to the economy in any case.  

As for the 'minority group' comment. Any group that differs from the main is considered a 'minority group'.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
MissMorrigan, now illegal aliens are a "minority group?"
The thing is that it's not my problem that people in foreign countries have it tough.
If that's the case then they or their governments need to change.
It's not my job as a U.S. Citizen to be providing foreign nationals with jobs, medical care, housing or anything else either in the U.S. or in their countries.
Their "reasons" for sneaking into my country are not important.
It is a federal felony to enter the U.S. other than through a legal port of entry or to overstay a visa.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
It is a federal felony to enter the U.S. other than through a legal port of entry or to overstay a visa.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: cjan

popeye, you live in New Hampshire so your laws may be different up there. But, as I said in an earlier post, "sodomy" which is defined as either anal or oral sex is still illegal in many, if not most states, but neverthe less, practiced by many people

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popeye:

Enforcing our laws is not "optional".

By your standard, without cherry picking, should those folks be prosecuted and face the resultant penalties ?

Cjan, I think you're missing the point, it's *our party* and they're not invited.

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ORIGINAL: cjan

I take your point and am not arguing it at all. However, along these lines, I remember a chat I once had with my father regarding my "nationality". I was born in Germany from Lithuanian parents and came to this country at the age of 2 with my parents and sister where we all, eventually became "naturalized" U.S. citizens. So, I asked my pops, "what nationality am I? American, German or Lithuanian"? His response was to ask me "if a calf is born in a chicken coop, does that make it a chicken"?

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ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan

It seems there's a misdirection of anger there, Popeye. Children that are brought illegally into the US/UK by their parents aren't sneaking in, they have no choice in the matter, I'm sure you'll agree. We're all aware of the legalities, but as it's been pointed out, frequently throughout this thread, those legalities are being used against those who were raised in our respective countries and I cannot see it an act of 'justice' by then imposing such laws. There's a huge distinction between those who enter a country illegally than those who were raised there by parents that flouted the laws. "Tough shit" really doesn't cut it. As for a citizen providing houseing/medical care, etc... that's rather a moot point especially when such people have been contributing to the economy in any case.  

As for the 'minority group' comment. Any group that differs from the main is considered a 'minority group'.

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ORIGINAL: cjan

popeye, I'm afraid I'm gonna have to hold your feet to the fire on this. Given your previous statement that " enforcing  our laws is not an option", is it ok, from your point of view, for U.S. citizens to break U.S. laws ( as in the sex laws I mentioned) but not ok for non-citizens  to disregard laws that don't suit them? Please just answer the question, sir.

As far as EPGAH's comment about breaking sex laws and illegal immigration laws being "different"( citing tax payer issues, blah, blah, etc.) is concerned, the same question applies. Is it ok or not for some people to break U.S. laws when those laws don't suit them? Or does the law and order attitude apply only to illegal aliens and others whose views we may not share ?

Simple question, no ?

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ORIGINAL: Smith117

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ORIGINAL: cjan

popeye, I'm afraid I'm gonna have to hold your feet to the fire on this. Given your previous statement that " enforcing  our laws is not an option", is it ok, from your point of view, for U.S. citizens to break U.S. laws ( as in the sex laws I mentioned) but not ok for non-citizens  to disregard laws that don't suit them? Please just answer the question, sir.

As far as EPGAH's comment about breaking sex laws and illegal immigration laws being "different"( citing tax payer issues, blah, blah, etc.) is concerned, the same question applies. Is it ok or not for some people to break U.S. laws when those laws don't suit them? Or does the law and order attitude apply only to illegal aliens and others whose views we may not share ?

Simple question, no ?

There's a huge difference in illegal sex laws vs. immigration. Illegal sex laws have already been ruled unconstitutional. Therefore, the point is moot. Even if they hadn't. It is up to the state to prove such sex even occurs, as most sex occurs behind closed doors.

Furthermore, even if so called "illegal sex" is a crime, it is a victimless crime, meaning two consenting adults in their own home may do as they wish. Illegal immigration is not a victimless crime. It strains the economy everyday and moreso each day.

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ORIGINAL: Gemini1766

How many of you would be here if this kind of shit were going on 120 years ago?
Irish, you would have been turned back.
Italian, you would have been turned back.
So may of you would have been turned back because of your family's origins.

This crap has been going on for over a century. Our country GROWS on immegration.