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Smith117 -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 4:30:57 PM)
Dude, seriously, reduce your font size. There's not reason this little bit of text should take up as much room as it does. quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Perhaps you might want to reread what I posted in response to your statement that Mexico "gave" us this land. I have pointed out that they did not give us anything....we took it at the point of a gun. Back on point: Taken by force, taken by treaty, willingly given, it's all in the same category. They picked a fight with us. They lost. That was a consequence of that loss. I don't care about the rest. quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx If a thug sticks a gun in your mouth and demands your money are you giving it to him or are you being robbed? This point is a bit irrelavant. We didn't put a gun to their heads, the action was over. They lost the war. If you pick a fight with me, I charge you with assault. If you lose the court case, you go to jail. I don't care if you willingly went to jail or they dragged you kicking and screaming. The fact remains, you go to jail. They started a war with us. Observe: On April 24, 1846 a 2,000-strong Mexican cavalry detachment attacked a 63-man U.S. patrol that had been sent into the contested territory north of the Rio Grande and south of the Nueces River. The Mexican cavalry succeeded in routing the patrol, killing 11 U.S. soldiers in what later became known as the Thorton Affair after the slain U.S. officer who was in command. A few survivors returned to Fort Brown. They lost that war. We, as the victors, took our spoils and that's that. Whether they willingly gave it or not, it is now ours.

domiguy -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 4:33:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 Things brings to mind a hilarious comment that a friend of mine made many years ago. We were all sitting around bsing and someone brought up that it was February and Black History month.....there were joking barbs exchanged and finally this friend of mine speaks up and says "yeah, we finally recognize the struggles of the black american by giving them their own month......and it's the shortest month of the year." http://www.collarchat.com/m_1689947/mpage_1/key_texas/tm.htm#1690862 Smith does seem to have some rather strange thoughts when dealing with minorities.

thompsonx -> RE: Learn English or go to jail (3/30/2008 4:36:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gemini1766 I'd like to see the children of the US attending US schools learn to use English properly. It is sad when you look around and the language is so abused and ruined that you understand a ESL speaker with 1 years time with the language far better than your own children. Gemini: Do you mean "like whateeever....don't be bringin' me down dude and harshin' my mellow. Whydoncha get off my trip and let me be me" It is a sure thing that we are getting old when the kids music is too loud,their hair looks funny and we don't understand a fucking thing they say[;)] thompson

Smith117 -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 4:37:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy Smith does seem to have some rather strange thoughts when dealing with minorities. Why is that, do you think? Because I laughed at a joke? Perhaps a purchase of a sense of humor is in order. Now I know what to get you for Christmas. Funny, a black man like DL Hughley or Chris Rock makes constant white jokes and the blacks all laugh and it's just supposed to be funny. Let a white guy make a joke and oh noooooooooo he's a racist. Bullshit.

Smith117 -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 4:39:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx I believe that is called the "texas two step"...you did not answer my question. Actually, it's called irrelevance. I didn't tell you my answer because it's a personal thing for everyone. I'm not here to debate the pros and cons of prejudice, nor do I want to sit here and think up good examples and bad examples. The answer you seek is different for everyone and it's something everyone must live with in themselves. I live with mine just fine. Can you say the same?

Smith117 -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 4:41:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Smith: It would seem a simple thing to do to simply ask for the manager. If he cannot solve your problem a call to corporate headquarters. You see BK is in business to sell food to who ever will pay them. They want your money and will respond to your needs. If BK finds that they have employees who cannot get your money in the most expeditious manner you may rest assured that that employee will be looking for another job...dare I say "pronto" thompson No, I shouldn't have to do that. It's an AMERICAN eatery in an AMERICAN city in an AMERICAN country. The person behind the counter should speak english. To get the manager involves takes away from the "fast food" concept that it is supposed to be operating under. Not to mention, I'm sure most will agree that you don't piss off those who handle your food. Yeah, I might win the battle with the manager, but I can't see into the kitchen and don't know what the hell they're doing to my food.

Smith117 -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 4:44:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Maya2001 Smith ....How do the first european settlers differ from the illlegal immigrants??? Did not first first europeans come and help themselves to what was a available, even if it meant taking advantage ? was their reasons not much the same as the Mexican's as in wanting a better life for themselves? You can say that the europeans fought and won the land for themselves but how many years did it take and how many men women and children had to come over first before they did so, did not the indian come to hate then just like the US resident hate the mexicans that are coming in and occupying the US? And did they not do the same as what the Mexicans are doing expecting the indians to learn their tongue? and make allowances for their culture? Over many years the methods of warfare has changed in some ways the mexicans have launched their own warfare instead of like the first europeans whose warfare included taking land by force or trickery by selling for beads for land of fur, the mexicans are winning their war by obtaining rights for themselves, government assistance or citizenship papers inorder to be able to claim land for themselves. . Kind of starting to look like history is repeating itself , the only real difference between then and now are the faces and the methods but the part that is the same is they are moving in, claiming the bounty of the land and calling it home in the desire for a better life. It is simply a war that does not involve a lot of bloodshed, though possibly in time enough tensions will rise that bloodshed could occur on a large scale I've already covered this in my other post. The fact is, a conquered people does not dictate the path of a nation. However you look upon what the settlers did, it's done, period. There's no sense debating it now. If you want to allege the mexicans are trying to do the same, you're wrong. They are not "leaving" mexico. They're coming here and working, and then sending their money back to their "real home" where their families live. That's nowhere near the same thing. If you still contend that this is a form of invasion, then I will contend that we should then treat it as such. That means no "anchor babies," no assistance, and we round up every single one and ship them back.

Smith117 -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 4:45:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Maya2001 Smith the same problem exists if I go to northern Onatro or some areas of Quebec, the french canadian are bilingual but will often ignore an english speaking canadian I spent a couple years living in a small community in Ontario and faced this issue several times even though I knew the people were able to speak english. A lot of people I know including american citizens have had troubles with waiters and waitresses and other service staff in Quebec refusing service because one spoke english to them even they are fluent in English., this kind of issue occurs in many countries where multiple distinct languages exist it is not just a US issue So that makes it okay? Because it happens in canada? I am not getting the point of your post, sorry.

thompsonx -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 5:08:20 PM)
This point is a bit irrelavant. We didn't put a gun to their heads, the action was over. Oh but we did. They lost the war. They lost a war that we started. They started a war with us. Observe: On April 24, 1846 a 2,000-strong Mexican cavalry detachment attacked a 63-man U.S. patrol that had been sent into the contested territory north of the Rio Grande and south of the Nueces River. The Mexican cavalry succeeded in routing the patrol, killing 11 U.S. soldiers in what later became known as the Thorton Affair after the slain U.S. officer who was in command. A few survivors returned to Fort Brown. They lost that war. We, as the victors, took our spoils and that's that. Whether they willingly gave it or not, it is now ours. American soldiers attack Mexican soldiers in Mexico and claim that they are the victims...how quaint. You are aware that Texas (all of Texas) was at that time part of Mexico. Now please before you start to bluster that Texas became a sovereign nation in 1836 and part of the U.S. in 1845. Lets look at the facts. Sam Houston captures General Santa Ana the president of Mexico. It happened at the battle of San Jacinto on the plains of St. Hyacinth. The two of them go Houston's tent and proceed to get hammered on opium. Houston comes out and tells everyone that they now own Texas. Lets assume for a moment that Dubya(he is the commander and chief of the armed forces and the president of the U.S. just like Santa Ana was) on one of his jaunts to Iraq gets his ass captured. Is it possible for him to give any part of the U.S, to the Iraqis? No all treaties need to be agreed to by the senate....same same in Mexico. Mexico never relinquished title to Texas. When president Polk annexed Texas into the union he was told by all parties that it would lead to war with Mexico. Polk went ahead and annexed a part of Mexico (the Mexican state of Texas) and then sent the army under Zachary Taylor to poke a stick in someones eye to see if he could not instigate a war. The plot gets thicker. Remember when I told you about ambassador Pinsette going to Mexico to negotiate the sale of California. That would be because gold had been discovered. At a place called Placerita canyon just north of Los Angeles and a sample had found its way to the government assay office in Washington DC. Where a fella named Jefferson Davis attached a hand written note to it telling the president that every effort should be made to acquire California for the U.S. (you can find a copy of this at the Bancroft library in San Marino California) That is why the same year another ambassador was dispatched to Columbia to negotiate a treaty to allow the U.S. to build a rail road across the isthmus of Panama (which was part of Columbia). This can be found in David McCullough's book about the Panama Canal "Path Between the Seas" It is not too difficult to connect the dots. The U.S. has no need for a rail road across Panama since she has no land touching the Pacific Ocean. This is called imperialism. If you don't like don't do it. If you do like it then stand up and be proud of being an international thug. But puuuleeeeeze do not piss on my head and tell me it is raining. Would you hazard a guess as to why,since we had conquered Mexico, we did not take the whole country? thompson

thompsonx -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 5:18:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx I believe that is called the "texas two step"...you did not answer my question. Actually, it's called irrelevance. I didn't tell you my answer because it's a personal thing for everyone. I'm not here to debate the pros and cons of prejudice, nor do I want to sit here and think up good examples and bad examples. The answer you seek is different for everyone and it's something everyone must live with in themselves. I live with mine just fine. Can you say the same? Smith: You are the one who said you were prejudice and that it was a good thing. I simply asked why you thought so. You seem unwilling or unable to justify your stated position. As for myself I do not have any prejudice...I am a rational person and the people and things I dislike I have reasons for. That is what separates the rational from the irrational. thompson

calamitysandra -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 5:22:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster quote: ORIGINAL: calamitysandra Hippie, you have got mail. Got it, TY. I wonder why I can never get answers to my questions? Like this one: Smith: "When I was growing up, I heard stories of other countries where if you walked into a bar and tried to order a drink, you'd not even be looked at unless you spoke their language. Yet here, a restaurant can put up a sign that says "english only" and they are decried for being racist. If any race can learn to speak english, how is asking customers to speak in the language that your business can understand racist? " ME: "Really? What countries would those be? And who did you hear those stories from?" I'm guessing that you have been to another EU nation. Has that ever happened to you? I have done some travelling in and out of the EU, yes. Let me see ... -UK, no real data on that, as I do speak English. However, on my first trip, at 14, I asked a black guy working in an icecream parlour for two balls of chocolate. A honest mistake, really! However, my guest sister never let me live that one down. -Netherlands, no problems at all. Very friendly and helpfull, regardless of the language I spoke. -Belgium, never any problems. -Spain, all good. -Hungary, I did have trouble finding somebody who understood me at times, but all were friendly and tried to help. -France, well, I did encounter some difficulties there. But as soon as people realised you were trying, and at least using some French phrases, they suddenly did understand. -Tunesia, never, ever any problems. -Dom. Republic, all fine. Over all, there might be some stumbling stones, but honestly, if you show a bit of respect and at least try to learn some tidbits like "yes", "no", and "thank you" all should be good. Now, I do not want to deny that there might be a pub somewhere where you will have trouble getting served if you only speak the language of a country which has a long standing enmity, but that should be more of the one off that proves the rule. However, I do think it would be wise for immigrants to learn the language of their new homecountry. Yes, the USA has no official language, but English is recognized by the most. In the same vein I would think it prudent for those in states with a large part of hispanic speaking people, to learn Spanish as well. Culture is an ever ongoing evolvement, and it seems that now those southern states are evolving more into a hispanic culture. If you live there, deal with it and learn the language. It goes both ways. On another note, have I started immaginating things, or has your new thread been yanked?

thompsonx -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 5:25:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Smith: It would seem a simple thing to do to simply ask for the manager. If he cannot solve your problem a call to corporate headquarters. You see BK is in business to sell food to who ever will pay them. They want your money and will respond to your needs. If BK finds that they have employees who cannot get your money in the most expeditious manner you may rest assured that that employee will be looking for another job...dare I say "pronto" thompson No, I shouldn't have to do that. It's an AMERICAN eatery in an AMERICAN city in an AMERICAN country. The person behind the counter should speak english. That is your opinion but it is not the law. To get the manager involves takes away from the "fast food" concept that it is supposed to be operating under. You have the time to spend hours of your time complaining to those who have no ability to solve your problem and not two minutes to actually speak to someone who could solve the problem instantly. Now does that sound rational? Not to mention, I'm sure most will agree that you don't piss off those who handle your food. Yeah, I might win the battle with the manager, but I can't see into the kitchen and don't know what the hell they're doing to my food. In this country you have every right to go in the kitchen and inspect the process. At BK the kitchen is clear to be viewed from the order counter. If they do something to contaminate your food you could retire for life on the proceeds of the settlement.

lronitulstahp -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 5:25:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 quote: ORIGINAL: Maya2001 Smith ....How do the first european settlers differ from the illlegal immigrants??? Did not first first europeans come and help themselves to what was a available, even if it meant taking advantage ? was their reasons not much the same as the Mexican's as in wanting a better life for themselves? You can say that the europeans fought and won the land for themselves but how many years did it take and how many men women and children had to come over first before they did so, did not the indian come to hate then just like the US resident hate the mexicans that are coming in and occupying the US? I've already covered this in my other post. The fact is, a conquered people does not dictate the path of a nation. pssst... Smith, over here.... be honest...just between the two of us....do you get a little hard-on every time you say "a conquered people"? i bet you do...i'm right, right????

domahpet -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 5:54:19 PM)
oh Iron, youre such a nasty girl! (really tho, do you smith? ;) )

Smith117 -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 10:01:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp pssst... Smith, over here.... be honest...just between the two of us....do you get a little hard-on every time you say "a conquered people"? i bet you do...i'm right, right???? Nope, I simply state a fact. What gets me hard is when I use pure, un-adulterated logic to win an argument and those who oppose my viewpoint have little left to fall back on besides personal insults or try to in some way demonstrate that I'm not what I claim. I'm not proud of what happened to the native americans. I can say, without a doubt that "my people" had nothing to do with it. As I've pointed out before "my people" came over in the 1930's, fleeing a germany they wanted no part of. Their offspring later joined the service and fought against the nazis, etc. I can say, though, that while I am not proud of what happened to the native americans....I do not apologize for it either. What happened, happened and then my family tree came over a couple of centuries later. I simply point out what happened to them because what happened then and what is happening now are not the same things, not even remotely.

Smith117 -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 10:05:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx That is your opinion but it is not the law. Funny, I don't recall saying it was the law. I did say it wasn't right though. quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx You have the time to spend hours of your time complaining to those who have no ability to solve your problem and not two minutes to actually speak to someone who could solve the problem instantly. Now does that sound rational? Your opinion on solving the problem and mine differ. And if you think complaining isn't rational....you're probably not in the right country. People complain every day here. And I am certainly no different. Complaining airs greivances and gets things out in the open. I certainly won't hold this stuff in, that only hurts me in the long run. quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx In this country you have every right to go in the kitchen and inspect the process. At BK the kitchen is clear to be viewed from the order counter. If they do something to contaminate your food you could retire for life on the proceeds of the settlement. That's not the point. None of what you said is even on point. The point is, if I'm in America, in an American city and state, I should be able to order my food without learning a second language.

Smith117 -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 10:09:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Oh but we did. They lost a war that we started. American soldiers attack Mexican soldiers in Mexico and claim that they are the victims...how quaint. You need to read up on your history. I researched it well before I posted. They attacked us first, not the other way around. Do a little research to avoid looking foolish. I even PASTED the first "attack" in the war and as you can plainly read, it was them attacking us. The rest of your post was as irrelevant as it was inaccurate. Unless you were there when the treaty was signed, you have no idea what happened. The information on record is what I go by. If you'd like to show me your time machine so we can go back and watch them "get hammered on opium" then fine. Otherwise, it's useless to argue historical facts with someone who refuses to acknowledge them.

dcnovice -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 10:43:36 PM)
quote: I can say, though, that while I am not proud of what happened to the native americans....I do not apologize for it either. What happened, happened and then my family tree came over a couple of centuries later. I simply point out what happened to them because what happened then and what is happening now are not the same things, not even remotely. I see something of a parallel, actually. European settlers came to a place where they weren't invited or wanted and changed the culture significantly. Today's illegal immigrants are coming to a place where they weren't invited and are (to some extent) not wanted and are changing the culture significantly.

thompsonx -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/31/2008 1:48:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 You need to read up on your history. I have and I shared with you the history. That you choose to ignore the facts of history is your business. I researched it well before I posted. They attacked us first, not the other way around. You seem content to ignore the fact that this action took place in Mexico. Do a little research to avoid looking foolish. I even PASTED the first "attack" in the war and as you can plainly read, it was them attacking us. As was clearly pointed out to you the attack took place in Mexico. One only looks foolish when they ignore the facts. The rest of your post was as irrelevant as it was inaccurate. If you would like to verify the validity of my statements you might want to read "Duel of Eagles" by Jeff Long isbn0688072526 it is extensively footnoted so that you can check all of the sources. Unless you were there when the treaty was signed, you have no idea what happened. That is why we have history books. The information on record is what I go by. Then if you would care to read the sources quoted you will find your error. If you'd like to show me your time machine so we can go back and watch them "get hammered on opium" That data is found in"Papers of the Texas Revolution 1835-36" ten vols. John H. Jenkins published 1974 by presidial press, taken from the "Diaries of Sam Houston" then fine. Otherwise, it's useless to argue historical facts with someone who refuses to acknowledge them. I have told you where the facts are to be found. If you refuse to read and acknowledge them that is your business.

thompsonx -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/31/2008 2:04:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx That is your opinion but it is not the law. Funny, I don't recall saying it was the law. I did say it wasn't right though. It is interesting that in the "those damn illegals thread you rant on and on about the law and against "what is right" now you argue the opposite. Why the inconsistency? quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx You have the time to spend hours of your time complaining to those who have no ability to solve your problem and not two minutes to actually speak to someone who could solve the problem instantly. Now does that sound rational? Your opinion on solving the problem and mine differ. And if you think complaining isn't rational....you're probably not in the right country. People complain every day here. And I am certainly no different. Complaining airs greivances and gets things out in the open. I certainly won't hold this stuff in, that only hurts me in the long run. It is obvious that our approaches to problem solving differ...I am in favor of one that actually works while you seem content with one that does not. Curious how you change my post from suggesting that you complain to someone who can do you some good to saying that I am against you complaining. Why do you do that? quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx In this country you have every right to go in the kitchen and inspect the process. At BK the kitchen is clear to be viewed from the order counter. If they do something to contaminate your food you could retire for life on the proceeds of the settlement. That's not the point. None of what you said is even on point. The point is, if I'm in America, in an American city and state, I should be able to order my food without learning a second language. I pointed out how you could accomplish your goal and you seem disinclined to do so. You seem more interested in complaining to those who cannot solve your problem than in actually addressing the solution to your problem which is to speak to management.

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