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Smith117 -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/29/2008 8:04:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Smith: Would you please tell us just what caused Mexico to do this? thompson Well, ordinarily, I'd tell you to do your own research, but as you've not attacked me yet and you asked nicely, sure. The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (Tratado de Guadalupe Hidalgo in Spanish) is the peace treaty, largely dictated by the United States to the interim government of a militarily occupied Mexico in exchange for $15 million (equivalent to $313 million in 2006 dollars) and the ensured safety of pre-existing property rights of Mexican citizens in the transferred territories. The United States also agreed to take over $3.25 million ($68 million in 2006 dollars) in debts Mexico owed to American citizens.

domahpet -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/29/2008 8:26:09 PM)
(remember i said it seemed) very well said smith, really.[sm=applause.gif] thought out, well worded, simple, to the point, respectful and honest. i give it a 9. some people may have a problem agreeing with this ''We all are a bit prejudiced.'' or admitting to it i should say. but its good to go thru all that and get to this point.

Smith117 -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/29/2008 8:30:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domahpet (remember i said it seemed) very well said smith, really.[sm=applause.gif] thought out, well worded, simple, to the point, respectful and honest. i give it a 9. some people may have a problem agreeing with this ''We all are a bit prejudiced.'' or admitting to it i should say. but its good to go thru all that and get to this point. I used to be one who wouldn't admit to being prejudiced. However, once the word and its meaning was fully explained to me, I realized I was. I also realized it wasn't neccessarily a bad thing, so long as you don't let it rule over all of your interactions.

Maya2001 -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/29/2008 8:33:44 PM)
quote: And kicking around like a dog? I assume you're implying we do that to the illegals.......you know those? It has nothing to do with being illegal and you missed by a long shot what I was saying you were stating earlier that immigrants need to integrate themselves into society, I was providing an abstract example of what it is like for an immigrant, of how society shuns them and refuses to accept them as part of society as a result they get discouraged trying and form their own societies I came to Canada as a baby my parent were landed hungarian immigrants , even though they learned english they were shunned and not truly accepted or befriended so we became part of the german and hungarian communities where we were welcomed and accepted 45 years later many of those families are still close friend even though they are not accepted in the main stream society instead there are now new immigrant communtities around doing the same till the mainstream society finally accepts them

Smith117 -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/29/2008 8:44:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Maya2001 you were stating earlier that immigrants need to integrate themselves into society, I was providing an abstract example of what it is like for an immigrant, of how society shuns them and refuses to accept them as part of society as a result they get discouraged trying and form their own societies Then I'd say your point was too abstract to illustrate what you were trying to get across. quote: ORIGINAL: Maya2001 I came to Canada as a baby my parent were landed hungarian immigrants , even though they learned english they were shunned and not truly accepted or befriended so we became part of the german and hungarian communities where we were welcomed and accepted 45 years later many of those families are still close friend even though they are not accepted in the main stream society instead there are now new immigrant communtities around doing the same till the mainstream society finally accepts them So, you're using how your parents were treated in CANADA to talk about the way immigrants to the US are treated? Apples and organges much? I've heard MANY tales of immigrants to other countries being shunned or even hated as you described. But THIS country as a whole does not. If you come here legally, and you learn the language and you contribute, by and large this country has no problem with you. Sure, there will always be small-minded people who judge that immigrant on their accent or whatever, but a large majority or people will not. What that majority WILL not take kindly to is when those immigrants do not learn the language and do not attempt to fit in, but instead expect us to do so. THAT is what pisses most of us off.

domahpet -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/29/2008 8:44:35 PM)
smith, youve got mail

domahpet -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/29/2008 8:46:39 PM)
no more abstracts, we've finally made it out of this mess[:D]

Smith117 -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/29/2008 9:02:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domahpet smith, youve got mail I'd love to reply to you but it says you've blocked me.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/29/2008 9:16:07 PM)
Smith: "When I was growing up, I heard stories of other countries where if you walked into a bar and tried to order a drink, you'd not even be looked at unless you spoke their language. Yet here, a restaurant can put up a sign that says "english only" and they are decried for being racist. If any race can learn to speak english, how is asking customers to speak in the language that your business can understand racist? " Really? What countries would those be? And who did you hear those stories from?

lronitulstahp -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/29/2008 9:16:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 quote: ORIGINAL: domahpet smith, youve got mail I'd love to reply to you but it says you've blocked me. domah...please feel free to use my theme song. It's not even worth it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw3Z8Oa7E3Y to paraphrase Katt Williams..."What the fk do you think a hater's job is...to f**g hate...so let them do their gdamned job..."

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 12:59:32 AM)
I think it's beneficial for native English speakers to learn a little Spanish, as it is really the second language of North America. As the dollar continues falling against the Euro, travel becomes considerably more expensive. Same with the Looney. Mexico is still a relative bargain. If Mexico's standard of living gets closer to the US standard, there will be more Mexican tourists. The person who knows some Spanish has an advantage in retail. If Cuba opens up, that's a new market, and new Ami tourist destination. They speak Spanish. I can't remember a word until I have to use it, strangely enough. And I only know a little. I can't see a downside to learning some. And those who speak some Spanish can teach English words to Spanish speakers in everyday encounters. Win/win.

NorthernGent -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 2:04:46 AM)
General reply: Would anyone like to discuss the OP? Assuming they've commited a crime, is the judge doing them a huge favour?

Smith117 -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 4:02:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster Smith: "When I was growing up, I heard stories of other countries where if you walked into a bar and tried to order a drink, you'd not even be looked at unless you spoke their language. Yet here, a restaurant can put up a sign that says "english only" and they are decried for being racist. If any race can learn to speak english, how is asking customers to speak in the language that your business can understand racist? " Really? What countries would those be? And who did you hear those stories from? Japan for one, and the story came from my father when he was overseas stationed in Okinawa.

thompsonx -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 7:17:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 quote: ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster Smith: "When I was growing up, I heard stories of other countries where if you walked into a bar and tried to order a drink, you'd not even be looked at unless you spoke their language. Yet here, a restaurant can put up a sign that says "english only" and they are decried for being racist. If any race can learn to speak english, how is asking customers to speak in the language that your business can understand racist? " Really? What countries would those be? And who did you hear those stories from? Japan for one, and the story came from my father when he was overseas stationed in Okinawa. Smith: I don't know when your father was in Okinawa but I spent a little time there and I never found a bar that would not serve you if you spoke English. I guarantee you if there were one we would have gone there and changed it. The reason being was that we outnumbered them. Japan on the other hand had Japanese only bars. It was not a function of if they would serve you if you spoke Japanese it was a function of you could not get in if you were not Japanese. These bars represented maybe 1/10 of 1% of the bars. thompson

thompsonx -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 7:32:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Smith: Would you please tell us just what caused Mexico to do this? thompson Well, ordinarily, I'd tell you to do your own research, but as you've not attacked me yet and you asked nicely, sure. The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (Tratado de Guadalupe Hidalgo in Spanish) is the peace treaty, largely dictated by the United States to the interim government of a militarily occupied Mexico in exchange for $15 million (equivalent to $313 million in 2006 dollars) and the ensured safety of pre-existing property rights of Mexican citizens in the transferred territories. The United States also agreed to take over $3.25 million ($68 million in 2006 dollars) in debts Mexico owed to American citizens. Smith: Your statement that I asked you to clarify was that Mexico "gave" the land to the U.S. Your response to my question states clearly that the U.S. forced Mexico to "give" this land to the U.S. This would seem to strain the meaning of the word. How do you justify the use of the word give if the party doing the giving has a gun to his head? I am sure you are aware that the U.S. had tried to buy California from Mexico for $50,000,000 (1.1 billion in 2006 dollars) which Mexico declined. The U.S. then proceeded to take by force what they could not buy. Instead of California for 1.1 billion they got California,Arizona,Nevada,New Mexico,Texas and parts of Oklahoma and Colorado for 313 million in 2006 dollars. Roughly six times the land mass for about one third the original offer that was declined. I am sure you have done your research and know that the 68 million in claims were paid off at pennies on the dollar and that many were dismissed by the courts as having no merit. So please let us not be disingenuous as to how the land was acquired. I have no problem with a country who creates an empire and proudly claims its position as an imperial power. Don't you find it disingenuous in the extreme to thug another country out of its land and then claim that it was given freely. thompson

thompsonx -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 7:44:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent General reply: Would anyone like to discuss the OP? Assuming they've commited a crime, is the judge doing them a huge favour? NG: The article states that they had assaulted and tried to rob some people. They were charged and convicted of conspiracy. It would seem to be a bit of a disconnect here. It is obvious that we do not have all the data. It is clear that the judge and the DA did have all the data thus the charge and conviction on the conspiracy charge and not the much more serious charges that were alleged in the article. It would appear on the surface of things that the judge opted for a sentencing program that reflected the actual seriousness of the conviction. In short he felt that there was nothing of merit to the case but offered the convicted persons a method of punishment that would benefit them and the state. Why some would automatically assume the worst with not a shred of evidence confounds me. All we have to go on is the article cited. The judge and the DA were there for the whole shitteroo and had access to all of the data. I have seen no follow up suggesting that the DA was unhappy with the verdict. thompson

thompsonx -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 7:53:30 AM)
quote: I used to be one who wouldn't admit to being prejudiced. However, once the word and its meaning was fully explained to me, I realized I was. I also realized it wasn't neccessarily a bad thing, so long as you don't let it rule over all of your interactions. Smith: Just what part of being prejudice do you think is a good thing or in your words "not a bad thing"? thompson

domahpet -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 9:22:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw3Z8Oa7E3Y ha Ha HA! try being the only little girl on an indian reservation with hair like that! big fun. ill tell ya!

domahpet -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 9:23:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent General reply: Would anyone like to discuss the OP? Assuming they've commited a crime, is the judge doing them a huge favour? since the OP says theyre here legaly, then yes he is. and saving money at the same time.

domahpet -> RE: Learn english or go to jail (3/30/2008 9:26:34 AM)
nevermind, i got it ;)

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