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RE: Goodbye fair Britannia. - 4/2/2008 3:34:30 PM   
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Romans go home !

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RE: Goodbye fair Britannia. - 4/2/2008 3:41:11 PM   
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All startlingly new ideas.  Ho hum.  It's just whinge, whinge, whinge, with some people.

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RE: Goodbye fair Britannia. - 4/2/2008 3:42:23 PM   
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Nationalism is bad mmmkaayyy....  God forbid that you may be proud of your country!!!

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RE: Goodbye fair Britannia. - 4/2/2008 3:43:28 PM   
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Moloch, you're Russian right?  Are you proud of Russia?

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RE: Goodbye fair Britannia. - 4/2/2008 3:54:53 PM   
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RL, the Romans only came because they heard Londinium was paved with streets of gold, and that they could all claim housing benefit !!

Anyhow, what did the Romans ever do for us ?



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RE: Goodbye fair Britannia. - 4/2/2008 3:56:04 PM   
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Moloch, you're Russian right? 



He is? Oh my goodness  .

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RE: Goodbye fair Britannia. - 4/2/2008 3:59:24 PM   
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Moloch, you're Russian right?  Are you proud of Russia?

By blood Im Russian, but I am an American and proud of it.

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RE: Goodbye fair Britannia. - 4/2/2008 4:05:36 PM   
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I'm the real Rebel, those on the left are stuffed shirts!
I wonder how you say that in French?

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RE: Goodbye fair Britannia. - 4/2/2008 4:14:13 PM   
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RL, the Romans only came because they heard Londinium was paved with streets of gold, and that they could all claim housing benefit !!

Anyhow, what did the Romans ever do for us ?



They taught you how to wash. Without them, there would be no Boot's.


God, i love a woman in Boots Kittin

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RE: Goodbye fair Britannia. - 4/2/2008 4:19:55 PM   
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How sad that fervent patriots can't come up with anything worthwhile to rally around, something that actually stirs a bit of feeling.  How come they could come up with this emblem in 1672 but no-one seems able to do so now?  A poverty of ideas, I think.



It's because patriosim is a poor idea in times of peace. It only makes remote sense during times of (real) conflict. But I will give you that at least, patriotism is a reasonably honourable sentiment... Just about...

It's stupid senseless nationalism that I will ridicule until my last breath. This grotesque posturing in the name of a fucking country... makes me sick  .


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Why is that I wonder?

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RE: Goodbye fair Britannia. - 4/2/2008 4:30:02 PM   
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Oh yeah, Marianne not Arriane! Thought it sounded a bit fucked!

Truth is, they've been striking alternative 50 pence coins for ages (the only one that has Britannia on) and only a simpleton would believe that any meaningful sense of nationhood is tied up in an image on one coin.  Changing to the Euro maybe, not changing a picture on a 50 pence piece.

The Gainsbourg thing is pretty good but not his best.  I still like Bonnie and Clyde but sadly, my French is hopeless so I never can get the lyrics.

Re. Vercingetorix - he was the recognised King of a vast and vastly important province to the Romans.  There was actually enough cachet in his title that he was kept alive to be paraded before the citizens of Rome, hence a commemorative coin.  Boudicca was a very minor figure by comparison, chieftain to a small part of an insignificant backwater - Britain.

Again - there isn't a link between her and Britannia, who was in any case only adopted as a symbol over 1500 years after she was snuffed out. 

How sad that fervent patriots can't come up with anything worthwhile to rally around, something that actually stirs a bit of feeling.  How come they could come up with this emblem in 1672 but no-one seems able to do so now?  A poverty of ideas, I think.

True Vercingoterix was a renowned leader at the time, of a rich nation, but he was paraded in Rome because  he gave himself up to the Romans to avoid the slaughter of his people, who incidently were led away as slaves.

Boudicca, did not quit, she fought to the end for what she believed to be right, rebellion against a treacherous invader who threatened her people. Do you not think the Romans would have liked to take her alive for a similar fate to the Gaul ? It was the Romans pleasure to display those that have troubled them, parade before Rome to show  the vanquished.

Britannia, a backwater, if that is so, why did the Romans come here? Could it be that Julius Caesar was intriged whilst battling with Vercingetoix, wondering where the Gauls were getting their supplies from. Across the channel, a rich nation to be plundered. Still a backwater, why did they stay here for the best part of four hundred years?  True, the land of the Britons were behind those of Gaul, this is not to do with insignificance, but the migrating ice sheets, it was colder here for longer.

If you still think Britannia was a backwater, I suggest you check your history.


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RE: Goodbye fair Britannia. - 4/2/2008 4:38:19 PM   
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Anerin, the reason the Romans stayed 400 years was because they were stuck at Dover, waiting for a poxy ferry !!

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RE: Goodbye fair Britannia. - 4/2/2008 4:47:05 PM   
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You crack me up Politesub.

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RE: Goodbye fair Britannia. - 4/2/2008 5:25:37 PM   
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"U.S.A!, U.S.A!, U.S.A!"
Kitten, funny, all the leftists hate the U.S. but they all want to live here.
Why is that I wonder?



I couldn't possibly answer you; I'm spot on in the middle of the righteous path - politics are far below me ;-p .

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RE: Goodbye fair Britannia. - 4/3/2008 2:35:56 AM   
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I thought Britannia first appeared on British coinage in Charles II reign and was modelled on his voluptuous mistress, Nell Gywnn.

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RE: Goodbye fair Britannia. - 4/3/2008 2:41:32 AM   
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Cool. Rule Britannia is one of the most embarrassing songs ever. About time it got flushed down the toilet of history.


I guess it wasn't embarrassing when we did rule the waves but now we bearly rule the English Channel (those dastardly French!).

At least it existed in an imperial age when patriotism was considered laudable and every country aspired to ruling the world. Today when only the ignorant and the vicious are patriotic, to take such songs seriously is just so uncivilized..

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RE: Goodbye fair Britannia. - 4/3/2008 4:08:06 AM   
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For all your Britannia numismatical information ; http://24carat.co.uk/britanniaframe.html

Whats interesting, is that this image seems ever to have had two related purposes, those being to legitimise some regime or another as British and to draw the people to allegiance with the regime through the regime's identification with Britain. As such, its recurrence over history is indicative of times when there might be found grounds for dissent.

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RE: Goodbye fair Britannia. - 4/3/2008 4:54:17 AM   
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Today when only the ignorant and the vicious are patriotic, to take such songs seriously is just so uncivilized..



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RE: Goodbye fair Britannia. - 4/3/2008 6:34:28 AM   
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Today when only the ignorant and the vicious are patriotic, to take such songs seriously is just so uncivilized..



God Save the Queen

Anarchy in the UK

Going through a punk phase  .


A phase I've been going through for the last 32 years according to my ex who said I really should leave my yoof behind but between her and a little cock tease, I realised I wanted it back and took it back and now I live happily ever after. Alone with my music, paints and whoever cares to join me for a night.

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RE: Goodbye fair Britannia. - 4/3/2008 6:36:22 AM   
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Was that an invite  ?

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