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RE: What is the difference? - 4/2/2008 11:42:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: notnewnotexp

For one thing, I have yet to understand what the difference is between being a "dominant man" and being a great big baby!  I mean, what else do you call someone who always has to have his way?  Domme's have to have their own way as well.  It's part of being the Dominant.

There is so much talk on here about how a man should be strong, and that the only way he can be strong is to dominate a woman, to have her under his power.  Like in all the years and years before.  But, with evolution, isn't it possible that now the strong men are the ones who don't need to have a woman under their control?  That they can feel strong and manly with a woman who they feel is equal to them?  And maybe the so-called dominant men are going the way of the neanderthal because in the overall scheme of time, nature has figured out that it doesn't work very well and is moving on.  Are you reading the same forum I am?

I also think it is so self-serving of people on here who are always saying, "We are so much better than vanilla people. Vanilla people could NEVER understand the deepness that we feel in a D/s relationship..."  I've always thought that was a load of crap.  I know plenty of people in vanilla relationships who are very happy and have deep and fulfilling lives.  Once again, are you reading the same forum I am?  When I see coments about Vanilla people not understanding something it's usually related to the fact that they don't understand WIITWD

I know that I will have lots of fuming people wanting to tell me where I can go.  But I am actually looking for well-thought-out, rational answers.
I'm not fuming, I just think you're full of it.  Your profile says you joined to learn and to participate in the forums, but this is only your 3rd post in a year.  The forum IS  NOT the men who send you irritating obnoxious e-mails.



I usually don't flame OPs, especially ones who read as Vanilla and appear to be novices, but she presents herself as someone who's been around the boards a while.  Perhaps I choose totally different threads to read, but she's posting in the General forum and I can't help but think she must be very selective in her reading or she's refering to the men who e-mail her and not the forum.  I find her post about as annoying as the e-mails I get from people saying they read my profile but obviously haven't.

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RE: What is the difference? - 4/3/2008 2:03:50 AM   
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Well I think Redhead gave a great answer .. though virtually all the answers were on the money! I'm both Domme and sub (so am I only half a great big baby??) ... and it's SO not about getting your own way on either side! A good Dominant who accepts the authority freely given has to make good decisions based on both their needs and those of their sub. Being a good sub takes a lot of strength, personal courage and discipline to put someone else first. It actually makes for 2 LESS selfish people than most of those I see in vanilla relationships (I'm including 2 vanilla marriages here). As for depth of relationship, well, speaking strictly from My own experiences ... the main reason D/s relationships are deeper is because so much more HAS to be talked about in order for it to work, to function as a power exchange. There's really not the room for secrets that often exist in vanilla relationships. And there's not the snatching back and forth of power under the table ... it's all ON the table. Add to that the trust needed to put your life in someone's hands ... well you really NEED to know them well for that!

I'm really thinking the OP hasn't been reading very widely, needs to do a lot more research, needs to meet some REAL MEATLIFE bdsmers ... and maybe, just maybe, some light will dawn. Hope so!

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RE: What is the difference? - 4/3/2008 2:42:13 AM   
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i didnt choose D/s it chose me, as in the case of everyone here.  i could have gone through life not taking the chance to be myself, ignored it and remained constantly unfulfilled.

the sucessful D/s relationships are built on trust, respect and communication and at the risk of being accused of vanilla bashing, i got none of that with any of my vanilla men.  everything is out in the open, every little thing discussed, every corner of yourself is shared and every part of you nurtured and valued.  works for me.

as a submissive woman my strength, intelligence and personal power is something my dominant wants and enjoys, he isnt there to squash it, far from it, he wishes to encourage me to be more of who i already am.  He is an intelligent, creative, imaginative, funny guy he doesnt need to sulk, mood out, strop or sulk to get what he needs from me, all he has to do is ask.  there are no power struggles, no confusion over who is who in the relationship, he gets what he wants and i get what i want by proxy.

its just a way of life, like any other but the components have to fit for it work well.

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RE: What is the difference? - 4/3/2008 6:41:28 AM   
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Thank you, MaamJay.  *smiles*

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RE: What is the difference? - 4/3/2008 7:01:10 AM   
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I was going to be flippant and tell the OP,  that well thought out rational answers are few and far between in theses forums. You however prooved me wrong and ruined my post. I will not easily forgive you. I'm sure it's against the SOP.

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RE: What is the difference? - 4/3/2008 7:31:00 AM   
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The main problem with your question is that you're looking at Dominance as a male characteristic--and, as an 'outmoded' male characteristic, as well.
 
You are aware (or, perhaps, you aren't!) that there are Dommes, as well as Doms?
 
Dominants (of whatever gender) shouldn't be (and usually aren't) looking for "dominion over all", just dominion and/or control over certain, specific aspects of their particular submissives' lives.  D/s is power exchange, in which one partner freely gives up some control, and the other freely assumes that control.  For things to work, the submissive, however, must continually make the decision to give up control--and remains free to take it back at any time.
 
D/s is a relationship, and--like any other type of relationship--works best when both partners freely choose to do T/their parts to make it work.

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ORIGINAL: notnewnotexp

What is the difference? After exploring what I was thinking could be for me, I am beginning to determine that a "dominant" guy is probably not what I am looking for.  For one thing, I have yet to understand what the difference is between being a "dominant man" and being a great big baby!  I mean, what else do you call someone who always has to have his way? There is so much talk on here about how a man should be strong, and that the only way he can be strong is to dominate a woman, to have her under his power.  Like in all the years and years before.  But, with evolution, isn't it possible that now the strong men are the ones who don't need to have a woman under their control?  That they can feel strong and manly with a woman who they feel is equal to them?  And maybe the so-called dominant men are going the way of the neanderthal because in the overall scheme of time, nature has figured out that it doesn't work very well and is moving on. I also think it is so self-serving of people on here who are always saying, "We are so much better than vanilla people. Vanilla people could NEVER understand the deepness that we feel in a D/s relationship..."  I've always thought that was a load of crap.  I know plenty of people in vanilla relationships who are very happy and have deep and fulfilling lives. I know that I will have lots of fuming people wanting to tell me where I can go.  But I am actually looking for well-thought-out, rational answers. Thank you for your time.

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RE: What is the difference? - 4/3/2008 9:05:53 AM   
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I know some great guys who prefer their wives to take the lead in the relationship. I know some great guys who prefer to take the lead. And I know some great guys who prefer an egalitarian relationship. And I know women who fit into each of those categories.

Why assume that everybody has to be the same damn thing. There's more than enough room in this world for people to enjoy different things. Or do you also believe that if you dislike curries, then everyone else ought to dislike curries? De gustabus non disputandem.

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RE: What is the difference? - 4/3/2008 9:30:06 AM   
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I kind of understand where the OP is coming from. I might not word it quite the way she did, but I have at times felt that the intelligent, caring, etc., Dom is eluding me. I get emails from some pretty strange characters calling themselves "Dom."  I also get thoughtful, intelligent emails from Doms - if only they weren't hundreds or thousands of miles away. I also see some pretty awesome posts in the forums by Doms - again they are far away and/or involved with someone else.

I don't see most references to vanilla on the boards as "bashing."  The references in many cases are about situations that are different between BDSM and non-BDSM relationships. The fact that we are more comfortable in BDSM relationships is going to color our remarks.

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RE: What is the difference? - 4/3/2008 9:40:36 AM   
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Muahahahahahaha!  You have been foiled by the...um....well thinkingest....um....rational?!!.....*ggls*  oh nevermind

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RE: What is the difference? - 4/3/2008 9:48:03 AM   
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OP... the one thing I've learned, a well written profile can weed out a lot of people you would not find desirable.  I read about women getting hundreds of emails... I get a few and the few that I get are usually (if they've read my profile) at least in my ball park range of interest. 

I think the power exchange thing, if you dont' have someone more experienced to bounce ideas off of is very confusing at first.  I am a feminist (I thought I'd out myself there -- oh and I don't hate men) and some of the stuff I see, read, etc don't fit quite well with my view of the world.  But then again, the larger culture in general doesn't always sit well for me personally. 

There are great people out there.... believe me.... and it's really satisfying when you find someone you are compatable with.

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RE: What is the difference? - 4/3/2008 11:38:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: notnewnotexp

What is the difference?After exploring what I was thinking could be for me, I am beginning to determine that a "dominant" guy is probably not what I am looking for.  For one thing, I have yet to understand what the difference is between being a "dominant man" and being a great big baby!  I mean, what else do you call someone who always has to have his way?

Al Gore

There is so much talk on here about how a man should be strong, and that the only way he can be strong is to dominate a woman, to have her under his power.  Like in all the years and years before.  But, with evolution, isn't it possible that now the strong men are the ones who don't need to have a woman under their control?  That they can feel strong and manly with a woman who they feel is equal to them? 

Why can it not be that a woman is your equal, but chooses to surrender control to you? That is a dynamic at work, in government, in the military, etc. Ever hear of the concept of a flawed group that had "too many chiefs and not enough Indians? " (OK...stop that politically correct smirking out there over the Indian thing...it's just a saying :) )

And maybe the so-called dominant men are going the way of the neanderthal because in the overall scheme of time, nature has figured out that it doesn't work very well and is moving on.

......you sure you're not a frustrated male troller who struck out more times than a DH against NL pitching? Neanderthal?...lol....they were the ultimate in the "high-brow" sorts of folks...

I also think it is so self-serving of people on here who are always saying, "We are so much better than vanilla people. Vanilla people could NEVER understand the deepness that we feel in a D/s relationship..."  I've always thought that was a load of crap. 

OK..I am with you on that.....but then I also do not know anyone in the D/s world, with any degree of intellect or knowledge on the subject, who believes as you claim they do. That sort of "we're better than you" stuff tends to be flowing from insecure people who have to tear others down to feel good about themselves - a trait I might add that is hardly limited to the D/s world....it's there in everything from grade school interactions among kids, to pro sports players, to Hilary Clinton... (ducking...)......

I know plenty of people in vanilla relationships who are very happy and have deep and fulfilling lives. I know that I will have lots of fuming people wanting to tell me where I can go.  But I am actually looking for well-thought-out, rational answers. Thank you for your time.


I agree with you, as I too know many vanilla people who are perfectly happy....The points were valid enough to stand as a legit query.....

DS4

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RE: What is the difference? - 4/3/2008 12:35:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz

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RE: What is the difference? - 4/3/2008 4:35:02 PM   
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Yes foiled, and virtually speechless. "I bet you wear sensible shoes."  I hope you have a sleepless night thinking of the havok you have caused.  Tsk Tsk.

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RE: What is the difference? - 4/3/2008 5:43:35 PM   
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Just be careful in your life of SWEEPING generalizations.  They have a way of coming back and smacking you in the hiney!! **ouchies**

Yes, vanilla relationships can be fulfilling.  Interestingly enough, I opt to stay here.  Is there a reason you are angry about that??

Hope you find what you are looking for!

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RE: What is the difference? - 4/3/2008 11:17:46 PM   
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When you meet people in the lifestyle who can show you by their actions what the difference between being a Dominant/Master and being domineering, then you'll have a much clearer understand of healthy Ds/Ms relationships.

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RE: What is the difference? - 4/3/2008 11:26:46 PM   
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The short answer to this thread would be......

Narcissists suck-and not in good ways.

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