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RE: With supporters like this, who needs voters??? Fond... - 4/5/2008 12:44:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I will simply ask this: were we wrong to be in Viet Nam?

If the answer is yes, then it follows that anything Fonda did was probably OK given that we shouldn't have been there anyway.

If the answer is no, then you are basically buying into the USA as world cop scenario.

I find that latter position frightfully ill-informed. I support the troops more than do our supposedly patriotic Republican politicians, but I also wouldn't use them in wars on foreign soil. That's just idiocy and in my view unconstitutional. One of the many reasons I often comment that we are in a post-constitutional era. While it's possible to argue that we could have at least limited use of military forces in foreign places, I doubt that it could ever be justified on the basis of the reasons we were in Korea, Viet Nam, Afghanistan, or Iraq - just to name a few. I think all of those wars, or police actions, were against the use of military forces as stipulated in the Constitution. A stricter reading might even lead one to believe that standing armies were frowned upon.

I know some of you warmongers will be shocked to learn all of this.

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RE: With supporters like this, who needs voters??? Fond... - 4/5/2008 1:58:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, I agree we were wrong in Vietnam.   I always support our troops.  They were drafted to go.  They had no choice.
Jane Fonda was a rich brat over there trying to cause trouble.  She has apologized to the families that were hurt by her actions later, but I doubt if that makes much difference.
Meanwhile, this side of the democratic party supports Obama.  The question is does he know, or what is he all about?
I am against the war in Iraq, but I am never against the troops.  I shake their hands each time I see one in uniform.  You should as well.

Regards, MissSCD

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RE: With supporters like this, who needs voters??? Fond... - 4/5/2008 2:18:31 PM   
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General question to all those who think Jane Fonda is a treacherous witch.

Why don't you think draught dodger Bush deserves as much vitriol



It's funny... if you are on the left, or were just young and afraid, and you decided to get a college deferment in say 1967, 68, 69, 70.... then you were doing the brave thing and being a "true" hero.

Of course, if you decided for yourself later in life that perhaps you made the wrong choice, that while America's choice to pull out of Viet Nam may have save additional lives of... well a few thousand American men , cost the lives millions of  Asian men, women, and children and doomed millions more into lives of hardship, desperate poverty, loss of property and even the very basic of human rights, all for the greater glory of "The State" and you decided to support a strong America and her military, than you are some kind of "chicken hawk, draft dodger."

Viet Nam was a noble cause against an extremist enemy. That the United States, bound by SEATO (South East Asian Treaty Organization) to fight on behalf of South Viet Nam.

Of course, the politicians of American, failed not only the American People but the peoples of Viet Nam, Cambodia and Laos by choosing to fight there part time and with half measures.

For the record, George Bush was a jet fighter pilot. One cannot just join up at your local recruiting office and sign me up. It takes courage, sound intellect and real nerve to file jets and especially, jet fighters. There are no "dumb" or "stupid" fighter pilots.

American again is fighting a noble cause against an extremists enemy. But alas, this time the are still fighting part time, although with this time it is with at least 3/4 measures.

So here is the difference....

George Bush is the elected President and Commander in Chief of U. S. Military Forces. 40 years from now Bush hopes the judgement of history does not show that for saving the lives a few more Americans, the politicians of America  do not cost the lives millions of  Middle Eastern men, women, and children and doomed millions more into lives of hardship, desperate poverty, loss of property and even the very basic of human rights, all for the greater glory of "Allah"

And Jane Fonda???

She was then and is now the exact definition of the extremist best friend, "The Useful Idiot."

She sat on a AAA battery in her pretty make up and hollywood helmet and basked in the joys of shooting down American pilots. Pilots, like... interestingly enough, John McCain. 

Ya know...it was those very pilots, and their brothers and sisters in arms, that secured for Fonda the freedom, to go there and be a useful idiot.  Somewhere in Viet Nam there was a young actress, perhaps the daughter of an acting family you tried to speak out about the abuses of the Communist Government. Her attempts probably didn't get a far as say, Jane Fonda because.... she was probably arrested, tortured and killed. And just to make sure, they probably rounded up her family and after erasing their names from anything and everything that would have identified them to history, killed them too.  

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RE: With supporters like this, who needs voters??? Fond... - 4/5/2008 2:22:34 PM   
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Yes, I agree we were wrong in Vietnam.  


Why?

Only Europens, Japanese and South Koreans deserved to live in countries free to choose or not to choose Communism?

Again, we were bound by treaty to support South Viet Nam and failed them miserably.

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RE: With supporters like this, who needs voters??? Fond... - 4/5/2008 2:33:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		    In responce to this entire thread: The reasons for our involvement in Vietnam, Afganistan, and Iraq, are and were valid. The prosecution of those wars werepoor to say the least. It is odd how we hear nothing in the media about success, just the daily body count.
   The lunitic Left, to include the ilk of Jane fonda, Michael Moore, The Baldwin Brothers, Rosie O'Donnell, Barbara Streisand, Dan Blather, and the rest of the mainstream media, cannot handle a United States in which it's citizens are proud, and care about things called "values", or "security".
   i simply say "Piss on them", and offer the following link:

Jane Fonda A.K.A. Hanoi Jane

Respectfully,
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RE: With supporters like this, who needs voters??? Fond... - 4/5/2008 2:58:43 PM   
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General question to all those who think Jane Fonda is a treacherous witch.

Why don't you think draught dodger Bush deserves as much vitriol



It's funny... if you are on the left, or were just young and afraid, and you decided to get a college deferment in say 1967, 68, 69, 70.... then you were doing the brave thing and being a "true" hero.

Of course, if you decided for yourself later in life that perhaps you made the wrong choice, that while America's choice to pull out of Viet Nam may have save additional lives of... well a few thousand American men , cost the lives millions of  Asian men, women, and children and doomed millions more into lives of hardship, desperate poverty, loss of property and even the very basic of human rights, all for the greater glory of "The State" and you decided to support a strong America and her military, than you are some kind of "chicken hawk, draft dodger."

Viet Nam was a noble cause against an extremist enemy. That the United States, bound by SEATO (South East Asian Treaty Organization) to fight on behalf of South Viet Nam.

Of course, the politicians of American, failed not only the American People but the peoples of Viet Nam, Cambodia and Laos by choosing to fight there part time and with half measures.

For the record, George Bush was a jet fighter pilot. One cannot just join up at your local recruiting office and sign me up. It takes courage, sound intellect and real nerve to file jets and especially, jet fighters. There are no "dumb" or "stupid" fighter pilots.

American again is fighting a noble cause against an extremists enemy. But alas, this time the are still fighting part time, although with this time it is with at least 3/4 measures.

So here is the difference....

George Bush is the elected President and Commander in Chief of U. S. Military Forces. 40 years from now Bush hopes the judgement of history does not show that for saving the lives a few more Americans, the politicians of America  do not cost the lives millions of  Middle Eastern men, women, and children and doomed millions more into lives of hardship, desperate poverty, loss of property and even the very basic of human rights, all for the greater glory of "Allah"

And Jane Fonda???

She was then and is now the exact definition of the extremist best friend, "The Useful Idiot."

She sat on a AAA battery in her pretty make up and hollywood helmet and basked in the joys of shooting down American pilots. Pilots, like... interestingly enough, John McCain. 

Ya know...it was those very pilots, and their brothers and sisters in arms, that secured for Fonda the freedom, to go there and be a useful idiot.  Somewhere in Viet Nam there was a young actress, perhaps the daughter of an acting family you tried to speak out about the abuses of the Communist Government. Her attempts probably didn't get a far as say, Jane Fonda because.... she was probably arrested, tortured and killed. And just to make sure, they probably rounded up her family and after erasing their names from anything and everything that would have identified them to history, killed them too.  


You do know that in 1954 the USA opposed unifying elections in Vietnam because they feared the Vietnamese would back Ho Chi Min? Doesn't that suggest the USA was afraid of democracy it claims to always be fighting for?

Dwight Eisenhower “I have never talked or corresponded with a person knowledgeable in Indochinese affairs who did not agree that had elections been held as of the time of the fighting, a possible 80 per cent of the population would have voted for the communist Ho Chi Minh as their leader.”
 
What was you saying about an evil regime?

Oh I forgot. About youngsters making mistakes in their youth. It is alright for a chicken like Bush to be rehabilitated and not alright for someone with conviction to be rehabilitated? You obviously like to rehabilitate people who you find it convenient to rehabilitate, lily livered or not but someone who showed a bit of guts, is way too far gone for rehabilitation.

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RE: With supporters like this, who needs voters??? Fond... - 4/5/2008 4:12:31 PM   
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Dwight Eisenhower “I have never talked or corresponded with a person knowledgeable in Indochinese affairs who did not agree that had elections been held as of the time of the fighting, a possible 80 per cent of the population would have voted for the communist Ho Chi Minh as their leader.” 

 
Ike appears to have been far too sensible for today's political climate.
To equate the removal of Saddam with the homicidal assaults launched against VietNam is absurd.
In neither case are the troops who are called upon to "do the dirty work" culpable.

That is what you who hate Hanoi Jane fail to grasp.

 

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RE: With supporters like this, who needs voters??? Fond... - 4/5/2008 5:05:19 PM   
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   In responce to this entire thread: The reasons for our involvement in Vietnam, Afganistan, and Iraq, are and were valid. The prosecution of those wars werepoor to say the least. It is odd how we hear nothing in the media about success, just the daily body count.
  The lunitic Left, to include the ilk of Jane fonda, Michael Moore, The Baldwin Brothers, Rosie O'Donnell, Barbara Streisand, Dan Blather, and the rest of the mainstream media, cannot handle a United States in which it's citizens are proud, and care about things called "values", or "security".
  i simply say "Piss on them", and offer the following link:

Jane Fonda A.K.A. Hanoi Jane

Respectfully,
slave_ brian_MissSCD


This post sounds like a MissSCDspork......

There`s no need for this....

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RE: With supporters like this, who needs voters??? Fond... - 4/5/2008 5:23:15 PM   
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Viet Nam was a noble cause against an extremist enemy. That the United States, bound by SEATO (South East Asian Treaty Organization) to fight on behalf of South Viet Nam.

The Vietnam war was many things, but "noble" is a bit of a stretch.
  1. There is nothing "noble" in sanctioning the assassination of an erstwhile ally's President.
  2. There is nothing "noble" in manufacturing a justification to escalate American involvement in an essentially internal civil conflict.
  3. There is nothing "noble" about bombing the North Vietnamese people "back to the Stone Age"

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Of course, the politicians of American, failed not only the American People but the peoples of Viet Nam, Cambodia and Laos by choosing to fight there part time and with half measures.

Arguably true. 

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For the record, George Bush was a jet fighter pilot. One cannot just join up at your local recruiting office and sign me up. It takes courage, sound intellect and real nerve to file jets and especially, jet fighters. There are no "dumb" or "stupid" fighter pilots.

The skills and abilities of a competent jet fighter pilot do not necessarily translate into the skills and abilities needed to successfully lead a nation.  Bush is no moron, but neither is he a prudent and perceptive President.  Bush II is a pale imitation of Bush I.


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RE: With supporters like this, who needs voters??? Fond... - 4/5/2008 5:49:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not seeing any intelligent reasons to disagree with anything Fonda did.

If people invaded the U.S. with the same agenda as we went into Viet Nam we'd welcome someone like Fonda to help us expose that fraud to the world. That's really the end of the subject.

Supporting the troops is not the same as being an insane warmonger. When you deal in death and misery all over the world be ready for the chickens to come home to roost. Sadly, we allow our troops to be the most visible agents of that death and misery. I support things like the G.I. Bill that help our fighting men and women transition back into the world. I support their having excellent healthcare and mental health services. To be honest, I want to jack the price of war so high that we shall always be very careful before we enter into one ever again.

But no, I don't consider our troops heroes. They kill their own, slaughter innocents, and generally behave like an invading force - which is to say, they behave badly. That's what we send them different places to do. I didn't invent the term collateral damage but it has a meaning some of you warmongering types should contemplate. It means that when you fight a war innocent people pay the price. And that is almost always the case.

To the soldiers I will spare this amount of understanding: when they are engaging the enemy in circumstances approximating near total chaos I could not personally hold them responsible for shooting almost anything that moves to protect themselves. That's the job politicians send them around the world to perform. It is purposeful.

But please spare me the indignation when soldiers are sent somewhere and then called baby killers. It's a fact of war. That's the job.

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RE: With supporters like this, who needs voters??? Fond... - 4/5/2008 6:17:45 PM   
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For the record, George Bush was a jet fighter pilot. One cannot just join up at your local recruiting office and sign me up. It takes courage, sound intellect and real nerve to file jets and especially, jet fighters. There are no "dumb" or "stupid" fighter pilots.


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For the record, George Bush skipped over other ,more qualified men who were ahead of him in line.

For the record, George Bush wasn`t a pilot when he joined the guard,another hurdle his dad eliminated for him.At the time,you had to be a pilot "before" you joined,not after.

For the record, George Bush didn`t finish his stint and was AWOL during a time of war.

For the record, George Bush didn`t submit to a required physical and without his dad,would have been sent to fly jets in Viet Nam.

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For the record ,John Kerry joined the Navy voluntarily,served heroically and was swift-boated because he was against the war and a democrat.

So yes, there is a difference....

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For the record,George Bush was a cheerleader in collage.

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RE: With supporters like this, who needs voters??? Fond... - 4/5/2008 6:30:04 PM   
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For the record ,John Kerry joined the Navy voluntarily,served heroically and was swift-boated because he was against the war and a democrat.

Kerry was an opportunist who manufactured three Purple Heart awards to get in and out of danger as fast as he could, then went before Congress and accused pretty much the whole US Army of committing atrocities in Vietnam. 

He joined voluntarily, and he did serve in Vietnam.  Heroic?  Hardly. 


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RE: With supporters like this, who needs voters??? Fond... - 4/5/2008 6:33:29 PM   
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For the record ,John Kerry joined the Navy voluntarily,served heroically and was swift-boated because he was against the war and a democrat.



Not according to the actual men and officers who served with Kerry.

When he searched for men who served with him to stand by his run, he got five.

100's of the other men who served with his unit in Viet Nam at the time joined the swuft boaters.

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RE: With supporters like this, who needs voters??? Fond... - 4/5/2008 6:50:46 PM   
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For the record ,John Kerry joined the Navy voluntarily,served heroically and was swift-boated because he was against the war and a democrat.

Kerry was an opportunist who manufactured three Purple Heart awards to get in and out of danger as fast as he could, then went before Congress and accused pretty much the whole US Army of committing atrocities in Vietnam. 

He joined voluntarily, and he did serve in Vietnam.  Heroic?  Hardly. 



When his boat was fired upon,he turned ~towards~the fire and charged the shore.

He and his men would give chase and kill the enemy on foot.

You done that lately?......Ever?

We`ve hashed out the truth about his war record,but not before his charactor assasination by the right.

How`s that hewo Bush work`n out as POTUS?


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RE: With supporters like this, who needs voters??? Fond... - 4/5/2008 9:36:12 PM   
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General question to all those who think Jane Fonda is a treacherous witch.

Why don't you think draught dodger Bush deserves as much vitriol



It's funny... if you are on the left, or were just young and afraid, and you decided to get a college deferment in say 1967, 68, 69, 70.... then you were doing the brave thing and being a "true" hero.

Of course, if you decided for yourself later in life that perhaps you made the wrong choice, that while America's choice to pull out of Viet Nam may have save additional lives of... well a few thousand American men , cost the lives millions of  Asian men,
How so?


women, and children and doomed millions more into lives of hardship, desperate poverty, loss of property and even the very basic of human rights,
I spent a couple of years in Viet Nam and saw first hand what sort of freedom the people of South Viet Nam enjoyed...What I saw was that they enjoyed the freedom of any serf.  The had the freedom to do exactly as they were told or else.  They had no voice in the election of their leaders.  The U.S. chose who was to rule South Viet Nam.  When we tired of this one or that one we simply had them murdered.


all for the greater glory of "The State" and you decided to support a strong America and her military, than you are some kind of "chicken hawk, draft dodger."

Viet Nam was a noble cause against an extremist enemy. That the United States, bound by SEATO (South East Asian Treaty Organization) to fight on behalf of South Viet Nam.

This simply is just not the case at all.  The U.S. installed a puppet regime in the south and then had them invite us in.
The Geneva accords of 1954 called for a free election to be held which both the U.S. and South Viet Nam refused to hold because it was clear that Ho Chi Minh would win by a land slide.
When Ho Chi Minh died in sept. of 69 the South Viet namese government declared a "national day of mourning".


Of course, the politicians of American, failed not only the American People but the peoples of Viet Nam, Cambodia and Laos by choosing to fight there part time and with half measures.
Half measures?????  We sent over three million men there.
We dropped more bombs there than we did in all of WW II.
They are still deactivating land mines we sowed the country with.
We defoliated their country with agent Orange.
We killed millions of their people.
We bombed their infrastructure into oblivion.
We terror bombed their schools,hospitals and residential zones.
Half measures????by whose yard stick ...Pol Pot?


For the record, George Bush was a jet fighter pilot. One cannot just join up at your local recruiting office and sign me up. It takes courage, sound intellect and real nerve to file jets and especially, jet fighters.
He did not seem to have enough of that courage to actually fly enough to stay on "flight status"

There are no "dumb" or "stupid" fighter pilots.
I would imagine the a list of stupid fighter pilots could be assembled without much effort.  Maybe we could start the list with "Ace McCain"  the number two spot could be a toss up between dubya and rummy.
 

American again is fighting a noble cause against an extremists enemy. But alas, this time the are still fighting part time, although with this time it is with at least 3/4 measures.
If you think that rape pillage and plunder are "noble causes"


So here is the difference....

George Bush is the elected President and Commander in Chief of U. S. Military Forces.
Not true...American presidents are appointed not elected.  They are appointed by the electoral college which is in turn appointed by the legislature.  Which is itself elected from a preselected list of candidates which we are allowed to pick from....just like the commies.

40 years from now Bush hopes the judgement of history does not show that for saving the lives a few more Americans, the politicians of America  do not cost the lives millions of  Middle Eastern men, women, and children and doomed millions more into lives of hardship, desperate poverty, loss of property and even the very basic of human rights, all for the greater glory of "Allah"
How about we let the Arabs decide what they want for themselves.  Isn't that what freedom and democracy are all about?  The Iraqis have less freedom and democracy now than they did under "So Damned Insane"

And Jane Fonda???

She was then and is now the exact definition of the extremist best friend, "The Useful Idiot."

She sat on a AAA battery in her pretty make up and hollywood helmet
Actually that was a NVA helmet not Hollywood.

and basked in the joys of shooting down American pilots.
Actually she was sitting on a gun that was protecting a sovereign nation from attack by a foreign power that had not declared war on them.
 
Pilots, like... interestingly enough, John McCain. 

Ya know...it was those very pilots, and their brothers and sisters in arms, that secured for Fonda the freedom, to go there and be a useful idiot.
How does a war of aggression and aggrandizement translate into protecting any of "Hanoi Jane's" constitutionally protected rights?


 Somewhere in Viet Nam there was a young actress, perhaps the daughter of an acting family you tried to speak out about the abuses of the Communist Government. Her attempts probably didn't get a far as say, Jane Fonda because.... she was probably arrested, tortured and killed. And just to make sure, they probably rounded up her family and after erasing their names from anything and everything that would have identified them to history, killed them too.  
I am sure this scenario exists in your mind but do you have any data to substantiate it?


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RE: With supporters like this, who needs voters??? Fond... - 4/5/2008 10:17:54 PM   
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Forces. 40 years from now Bush hopes the judgement of history does not show that for saving the lives a few more Americans, the politicians of America  do not cost the lives millions of  Middle Eastern men, women, and children and doomed millions more into lives of hardship, desperate poverty, loss of property and even the very basic of human rights, all for the greater glory of "Allah"

Do you have any (impartial) statistics? About lives lost in lets say one year during and after Sadam’s Regime? I suppose economic standards are also so unbelievably better than before? Iraq has become a veritable new Eden, all peace and prosperity :D - God given peace of course as it is stated in every speech. Freedom and democracy is a God’s gift, no doubt about that. Of course not that bed Allah God person, but our fine Christian God person. Though there is no democracy in the Bible … even slaves are advised to be god slaves..  but hey, there must be a red line at least with st.Peter’s office up there so he mast know better.

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Ya know...it was those very pilots, and their brothers and sisters in arms, that secured for Fonda the freedom, to go there and be a useful idiot.  Somewhere in Viet Nam there was a young actress, perhaps the daughter of an acting family you tried to speak out about the abuses of the Communist Government. Her attempts probably didn't get a far as say, Jane Fonda because.... she was probably arrested, tortured and killed. And just to make sure, they probably rounded up her family and after erasing their names from anything and everything that would have identified them to history, killed them too.  

Or all of them could have just stayed home …

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RE: With supporters like this, who needs voters??? Fond... - 4/5/2008 10:25:59 PM   
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When his boat was fired upon,he turned ~towards~the fire and charged the shore.

He and his men would give chase and kill the enemy on foot.




          Gee.  A brand new officer who thinks he's John Wayne.  That's not a good thing, O59.

     You're confusing heroism with stupidity, valor with vanity.  Such a tactic might succeed by surprise, but before very long at all, you charge right into an ambush, get all your men killed, and the enemy captures the boat.  And if the guy in charge on the shore is smart and experienced, you get your command wasted the first time you do it.

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RE: With supporters like this, who needs voters??? Fond... - 4/5/2008 10:51:06 PM   
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Why?

Only Europens, Japanese and South Koreans deserved to live in countries free to choose or not to choose Communism?

Again, we were bound by treaty to support South Viet Nam and failed them miserably.


Well as I don’t know much about this, just surfed a little now let me ask a few questions about how does the freedom of Vietnam’s people to chose communism (or not) relate to US military intervention? Why the partition happened at the first place, why the scheduled elections in ’56 never happened .. ? Why the US were the only ones not to sign the Geneva agreement after the first war and the (French and US ) marionette president of the south Vietnam refused to have elections as agreed before when the TEMPORARY demarcation line was formed, with Eisenhower stating that in the elections were held 80% of people would vote for the communists? That is an infesting conception of freedom of choice FOR or against communism. I suppose here to it was all about avoiding more deaths in the name of the Communist God Person..  :D Of course conveniently of the military personal killed only a very small fraction was from the US military, but who really cares for the yellow worshipers of the Communist God Person or the US/French Gimmimoneygimmiguns God Peron. Not counting the civilians. But we had to give freedom. Even if we have to kill them all. Of course all pure altruism, nothing to do with our interests.  As our Christian God Person tells us clearly.  “if a sinner dares not to share your political and social values take a gun and shot him dead than force his tribe to follow you or kill them all” Mt 23:56

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RE: With supporters like this, who needs voters??? Fond... - 4/5/2008 10:53:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sbrianMissSCD
cannot handle a United States in which it's citizens are proud, and care about things called "values", or "security".

Well, maybe security just a little more than values  

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RE: With supporters like this, who needs voters??? Fond... - 4/6/2008 6:29:43 AM   
MissSCD


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I would never have thought it, but I have just about decided to throw in the towel and vote for McCain.  I cannot stand these two democrats any longer.
 
 
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ORIGINAL: sbrianMissSCD
cannot handle a United States in which it's citizens are proud, and care about things called "values", or "security".

Well, maybe security just a little more than values  


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