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flash backs - 10/5/2005 11:17:53 PM   
sub4mistressnsir


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ok.. touchy subject here...
Has anyone who has been raped, had a flashback while sceneing? If so what did you do to work through it?
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RE: flash backs - 10/6/2005 12:16:28 AM   
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ok.. touchy subject here...
Has anyone who has been raped, had a flashback while sceneing? If so what did you do to work through it?
~sub


I've had submissives have flashbacks in scenes but they didn't concern rape. I've been able to spot the reaction, stop the scene and spend cuddle time every time it has happened so far. The cuddle time (and not asking) seems to work well. I've done rape role play with people who have been raped but so far we've avoided flashbacks.

I've also had flashbacks myself, but that's usually been when I'm observing a scene. Back in 1972 in Cambodia, I was tortured with a hot knife. The first couple of times I observed a branding, there were strong flashbacks from the smell (smell is a particularly strong trigger). I retreated a bit and pulled myself together. It was a willpower test but eventually I took a series of classes on branding and now I'm able to do them myself.

For me (I do not hold anyone else to this) the secret is to face the terror and make it back off.

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RE: flash backs - 10/6/2005 12:21:18 AM   
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not exactly been raped but been thru enough trauma...i do not scene unless i feel totally safe and the one time i did not, and tried to stop it, well...lets just say i should have trusted months of instinct...but that was not a scene, that was sexual assult.......anyway...it is this element of safeness that has allowed me to let go without having flashbacks or panic attacks, in fact it is one of the most relaxed times i feel...surrendered to one i trust, especially to be tied up...now, all that i have seriously played with (not including 5 min spanking scenes or the like) has known about my mental as well as physical problems and certain triggers and they have respected my limits...then again, i haven't played heavily since the assult so i don't know how i will be when i climb up there on that cross in a week and a half and let my Switch friend beat on me...will letcha know.....
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RE: flash backs - 10/6/2005 1:21:31 AM   
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I've also had flashbacks myself, but that's usually been when I'm observing a scene. Back in 1972 in Cambodia, I was tortured with a hot knife. The first couple of times I observed a branding, there were strong flashbacks from the smell (smell is a particularly strong trigger). I retreated a bit and pulled myself together. It was a willpower test but eventually I took a series of classes on branding and now I'm able to do them myself.



Yep, know exactly where your comming from John and I agree with the retreat and pulling yourself together.. It is hard but it works for me too..

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RE: flash backs - 10/6/2005 2:04:30 AM   
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<<<For me (I do not hold anyone else to this) the secret is to face the terror and make it back off JohnWarren>>>

This is what works for me, I have chased many demon into non-existance by doing an act that will cause a flashback and then working and fighting my way thru it, coming out the other side not healed but healing.

It is an extreme way to do things, however it seems to work for many folks I have talked to. It allows you to be in "control" of the terror instead of the terror being in control. My Owner also watches careful, and while he never stops an act he will talk me thru it letting me know that it is a flashback and not really "happening".

Again this is what has worked for me flashbacks are nasty things and you have to make sure that there is a safety net of sorts there for you not just after the flashback but sometimes even for a couple days as the fallout on the road of healing is sometimes pretty heavy.

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RE: flash backs - 10/6/2005 5:00:13 AM   
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Has anyone who has been raped, had a flashback while sceneing?


Yes, I have experienced flashbacks during a scene. I can never tell exactly what is going to set them off. It could be something as simple as a look, a feeling, a touch or a smell rather than a particular activity. They are intensely scary events that dictate the need for play to stop immediately when they arise.

The most important thing that I can tell you is that you need to make sure that any partners you scene with are aware of the possibility of this happening...BEFORE you play. You don't have to go into great detail of the rape, but it is important that you let them know of the possibility of this occuring and what it is that you need for them to do at that point.

Now the hard part is determining what you need for them to do. I can tell you that for myself, the first thing I need is for them to be paying close enough attention to know that something has gone very wrong in case I can not verbalize it, and to be ready and willing to immediately reign themself in and stop play. If I am bound, generally I want to be unbound NOW. Most times, hugs and cuddling are very effective but there has also been a time or two when I needed a few minutes before I could be touched at all. A calm reassuring voice is always wonderful.

My ex Master would generally hold me until I calmed and then we would sit down and "debrief" after. As Gem stated....close contact and communication, sometimes for days after. I see that Gem has also suggested "forcing" the issue somewhat. While I am glad that seems to work for her it is not something I would ever do or recommend for anyone else to do. That is an entirely personal decision. Even when someone thinks they are strong enough to do that, disastrous consequences can occur that require real time and effort to come back from.

Just to qualify....the flashbacks that I have had are the product of an extremely violent rape at the age of 18. That was 25 years ago. What I am saying is that time is not necessarily the answer. I have been through all of the counseling and I have even become a counselor myself. I have listened to and helped literally thousands of women with the issue of sexual assault. MY own rape is not something that I think about very often...I don't give it much conscious thought, and even when the subject comes up there is very little emotion attached to it for me anymore. But the mind is a very funny thing and at those moments when you least expect it....BAM....there it is. The best way to deal with it is to acknowledge that it can occur and be prepared for it in advance.

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RE: flash backs - 10/6/2005 5:06:04 AM   
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RE: flash backs - 10/6/2005 7:34:21 AM   
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I've had a couple of partners suffer flashbacks.

The first time, I didn't even know he was an abuse survivor, I don't think he was fully conscious of it either or he thought he was 'over it'. In a way it was terrifying and ego stroking -- terrifying cause I'm not a therapist as I've said before but it did mean he felt safe enough with me to go to that place of pain. Got him into therapy and tried to be supportive (no more scenes) but unfortunately the person who abused him found out about the therapy and had economic power over him. It was very very bad.

The second time (or multiple times) has been with Fox. The first time was in a scene where he was starting to feel floating and that let his mental defenses down -- same mixture of feelings as before. Other times generally do not come when were are in a formal scene. Like at GLLA 2005 I woke up to find him tossing and crying in bed and reliving stuff. At those times I find that actually talking to him as "Mistress" and refering to him as my slave reassures him that he's not back in that flashback.



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RE: flash backs - 10/6/2005 7:40:36 AM   
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I am very interested in this thread as I am an abuse and rape survivor. I have done a lot of healing work and often I have wondered about the idea of play rape and if it would help me. I think it would have to be with someone I trusted absolutely. Something to think about. I have had flashbacks but not while sceneing, but I know it is a possibility and I do inform play partners so that if something happens they know.

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RE: flash backs - 10/6/2005 8:17:35 AM   
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On the issue of "play rape" I've found that being a survivor myself has made me unable to play the idenitifed role of "rapist". I've tried, I start shaking and crying or I just don't do a good job of it (how many real rapists ask the victim over and over if they are ok and having fun?).

But if its a con-noncon scene where I will have my way and do what I want, I'm fine.

For some reason taking the label of "rapist" really triggers me negatively.

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RE: flash backs - 10/6/2005 8:58:57 AM   
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Having faced rape, i don't know how healthy my reactions are but..... i like rape scenes, there are certain things that can trigger a negative reaction like a knife or something silver or shiny in the background. Strangely enough howeger i love knife play but not in a rape scene.

The only thing i can figure out is.........with the rape scene, when it is over, i am okay, i am safe, in a familiar place with a familiar partner and the ending is good. my chance to have a happy ending. Crazy? Maybe.

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RE: flash backs - 10/6/2005 9:21:04 AM   
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Thank you everyone for the wonderful insight...
I was playing with someone new... and had the flashback. I couldn't get red out and was saying plz stop.. he didn't, which made it worse..
Finally I played like I was asleep and he stopped...
Now my Sir won't do real time with me until I deal with it (whinning n pouting here)
and to think... I was just about to ask him to do a play rape scene with me....
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RE: flash backs - 10/6/2005 9:29:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sub4mistressnsir
Now my Sir won't do real time with me until I deal with it (whinning n pouting here)
and to think... I was just about to ask him to do a play rape scene with me....
~sub

OK what's his rationale behind "not meeting you offline and progressing in a relationship with you" being a good motivator and assistance to you working through past trauma?

Flashbacks can actually be helpful for someone to work through their previous abuse. I don't recommend dominants come in and start trying to fix things on their own, but having supportive and secure relationships with others is always key when you're trying to work through and grow beyond huge issues.

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RE: flash backs - 10/6/2005 11:06:15 AM   
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OK what's his rationale behind "not meeting you offline and progressing in a relationship with you" being a good motivator and assistance to you working through past trauma?

Flashbacks can actually be helpful for someone to work through their previous abuse. I don't recommend dominants come in and start trying to fix things on their own, but having supportive and secure relationships with others is always key when you're trying to work through and grow beyond huge issues.

He feels that right now is not a good time to scene, until I come to grips with my flashback.. he is there for me online or on the phone if I need to talk... and if I asked he would prob. be here with me now.
honestly I had thought I had worked through it.
and in my way of thinking.. telling me no r/t play is a good motivator..

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RE: flash backs - 10/6/2005 11:10:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sub4mistressnsir
He feels that right now is not a good time to scene, until I come to grips with my flashback.. he is there for me online or on the phone if I need to talk... and if I asked he would prob. be here with me now.
honestly I had thought I had worked through it.
and in my way of thinking.. telling me no r/t play is a good motivator..

A) Then why aren't you asking to meet?

B) Why does he see things in terms of "its either cyber or its play"? Progressing in a relationship means a LOT more than just playing and if he's serious about getting to know you, I can't see why this would stop you from meeting and getting to know eachother offline.


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RE: flash backs - 10/6/2005 11:18:30 AM   
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A) Then why aren't you asking to meet?

B) Why does he see things in terms of "its either cyber or its play"? Progressing in a relationship means a LOT more than just playing and if he's serious about getting to know you, I can't see why this would stop you from meeting and getting to know eachother offline.


Sir and I talk alot online... cheaper than the phone.. it is not just cyber... Sir is the one I have been with for awhile.. He is not the same person that I had the flashbacks with... For the most part we both work long hours, which is why I am not asking.. when he gets home from work he should rest...

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RE: flash backs - 10/6/2005 12:15:22 PM   
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Sir and I talk alot online... cheaper than the phone.. it is not just cyber... Sir is the one I have been with for awhile.. He is not the same person that I had the flashbacks with... For the most part we both work long hours, which is why I am not asking.. when he gets home from work he should rest...

Well if you guys are content that's ultiamtely what matters.

But your relationship isn't progressing as fast or as deeply as it would offline and hw you get to know eachother NOW will indicate what the relationship is going to be in the long term.

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RE: flash backs - 10/6/2005 5:21:27 PM   
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Yep, know exactly where your comming from John and I agree with the retreat and pulling yourself together.. It is hard but it works for me too..


Well i dont. What if what you THINK you are seeing and you truely believe it so, isnt what you are really seeing?

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RE: flash backs - 10/6/2005 5:33:15 PM   
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Cool thread. i know for ME, personally, that when my thinking goes haywire it is best not to touch me, come near me, or anything. If ones does, i will likely think you are trying to kill me. Had one guy that held me down, lets say the night ended with the neighbors breaking down my door (as i screamed and screamed) and eventually me begging police officers to arrest me "so i can just feel safe"

You all talk of flash backs as something you can see through. The two big events i had, i wasnt able to see through. i dont understand how you can face something when what you see isnt really happening. i dont understand the coping method for this. i would like too

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RE: flash backs - 10/6/2005 6:01:17 PM   
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Yep, know exactly where your comming from John and I agree with the retreat and pulling yourself together.. It is hard but it works for me too..


Well i dont. What if what you THINK you are seeing and you truely believe it so, isnt what you are really seeing?


For me? No with a flash back, the scene changes and I'm back in Nam ... 'nuff said. and yes as ES commented it's PTSD, I've learned to deal with it and am very aware of the warning signs....... In some cases, its a noticible build up od agitation and anger as I slip into combat mode or I find myself emotional and howling my head off if I'm reliving some of my guys dieing in my arms. (its why I dont watch a lit of 'nam movies" too close to home.)

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