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"THE Internet could soon be made obsolete." - 4/6/2008 7:18:27 AM

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What does tomorrow hold in store? I doubt that anyone here can even imagine the world of tomorrow.

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The scientists who pioneered (the Internet) have now built a lightning-fast replacement capable of downloading entire feature films within seconds.

At speeds about 10,000 times faster than a typical broadband connection, “the grid” will be able to send the entire Rolling Stones back catalogue from Britain to Japan in less than two seconds.

The latest spin-off from Cern, the particle physics centre that created the web, the grid could also provide the kind of power needed to transmit holographic images; allow instant online gaming with hundreds of thousands of players; and offer high-definition video telephony for the price of a local call.

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RE: "THE Internet could soon be made obsolete." - 4/6/2008 10:07:07 AM

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Coolness, I like the sound of that. When I was a kid, that's what they told us would happen by the year 2000. We would be able to read any book and watch any movie online in mere seconds. So it's about time. I am still waiting for my condo on the moon, my vacations to Mars, and my flying car.

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RE: "THE Internet could soon be made obsolete." - 4/6/2008 10:30:46 AM

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Replacing the Internet with a system so much faster is just one of the things that we have to look forward to. Though cars can't quite fly they have become almost bullet-proof in their reliability, and other advances are remarkable. GPS systems, for example, run-flat tires, and so on.

Vacations to Mars would require massive amounts of time, energy, and other resources, but they're possible with enough money and determination. But flying cars and vacations to Mars are some of the things people have been able to imagine - what I'm looking forward to are the unforeseeable things.

Seeing Sabre-toothed cats in zoos. That sort of thing. When I was younger computers and cell phones were the kinds of things you'd see on Star Trek, and they seemed to be that far off in the future, too.

What will younger generations have when we're old, that we can't even dream of... that will amaze us?

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Coolness, I like the sound of that. When I was a kid, that's what they told us would happen by the year 2000. We would be able to read any book and watch any movie online in mere seconds. So it's about time. I am still waiting for my condo on the moon, my vacations to Mars, and my flying car.

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RE: "THE Internet could soon be made obsolete." - 4/6/2008 10:34:47 AM

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That article doesn't describe a replacement to the internet, it merely shows the power of replacing the mesh mash of old and new technology that is the current internet with all the best and newest routers, and enough fiber to push gobs of data.

It's not a replacement though, it is just upgrading routers and adding more fiber end to end.

This is slowly happening and always has been happening in regards to the internet. 10mbps turns to 100mbps turns to 1000mbps turns to 2gbps. And so on and so forth, it's all the same thing though just constantly evolving faster connections and hardware. Just like your computer in 1999 was what 400mhz, internal bus speed of like 66mhz or 100, now you have like quad 3 ghz chips, bus speeds over 1ghz. They are both computers doing virtual the exact same thing just better computers.

Actually your computer is basicly a closed network, all the communication and what not between the different components, is essentially the same as fiber connections, and the CPU, video card, are essentially just different nodes on that closed network.

So, saying what they built is a replacement is highly misleading it is just like getting a new computer, same old shit doing the same old thing, just faster.

For a less than the cost of Iraq, we could be surfing at speeds that would blow your mind. Just lay a bunch of fiber, by all new super duper routers, get new high end servers everywhere. Instant 1 Gbps + universal connections for everyone. It'd still be the internet though.

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RE: "THE Internet could soon be made obsolete." - 4/6/2008 10:42:09 AM

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You have a point, but I believe you're missing the bigger picture.

Replace everything in the computer and you've replaced the computer. That's the idea, replacing the Internet with a system so much faster that it makes the old Internet completely obsolete. Technology is advancing so fast all around us that the things we see as the same are actually new, nothing like what they gradually replace.

And it's all taken for granted very often, as well. Isn't it.

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RE: "THE Internet could soon be made obsolete." - 4/6/2008 10:46:24 AM

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You have a point, but I believe you're missing the bigger picture.

Replace everything in the computer and you've replaced the computer. That's the idea, replacing the Internet with a system so much faster that it makes the old Internet completely obsolete. Technology is advancing so fast all around us that the things we see as the same are actually new, nothing like what they gradually replace.

And it's all taken for granted very often, as well. Isn't it.

All I'm saying is it is happening already, instead of replacing the whole system at once, it's a bit here a bit there, and so on and so forth. But in terms of the internet where it fails in comparison to computers. It is one line from phoenix to chicago gets upgraded a bit, a line from New York to atlanta get upgraded, then a small section gets upgraded somewhere, then the bell companies start running fiber to peoples houses like Verizon and AT&T are doing already.

It functions the whole time, and at no point can the internet be said to be upgraded, because it is always being expanded. Slower than I'd like but constantly being replaced none the less.

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RE: "THE Internet could soon be made obsolete." - 4/6/2008 10:51:43 AM

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Sanity,

The phenomena that you described was termed "Future Shock"
by Toffler. Perhaps you remember the book? The problem I see, is
contained in this sentence from the article:
" Although the grid itself is unlikely to be directly available to domestic
internet users, many telecoms providers and businesses are already
introducing its pioneering technologies."

I am sure that after awhile however it will be avaliable to all.

Thanks for posting this interesting article.

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RE: "THE Internet could soon be made obsolete." - 4/6/2008 10:51:50 AM

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While you're right, it is happening already, I don't think you quite understand the article. And I don't see nay need in arguing about it with you, as the article speaks well enough for itself.

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You have a point, but I believe you're missing the bigger picture.

Replace everything in the computer and you've replaced the computer. That's the idea, replacing the Internet with a system so much faster that it makes the old Internet completely obsolete. Technology is advancing so fast all around us that the things we see as the same are actually new, nothing like what they gradually replace.

And it's all taken for granted very often, as well. Isn't it.

All I'm saying is it is happening already, instead of replacing the whole system at once, it's a bit here a bit there, and so on and so forth. But in terms of the internet where it fails in comparison to computers. It is one line from phoenix to chicago gets upgraded a bit, a line from New York to atlanta get upgraded, then a small section gets upgraded somewhere, then the bell companies start running fiber to peoples houses like Verizon and AT&T are doing already.

It functions the whole time, and at no point can the internet be said to be upgraded, because it is always being expanded. Slower than I'd like but constantly being replaced none the less.

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RE: "THE Internet could soon be made obsolete." - 4/6/2008 10:52:27 AM

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What will younger generations have when we're old, that we can't even dream of... that will amaze us?

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RE: "THE Internet could soon be made obsolete." - 4/6/2008 11:16:45 AM

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I'm sorry but the origin of the internet was the US Military as a way to make disabling it much more difficult than simply taking out the Pentgon and such. It began it's life as a network between all the US CONUS bases to enable the transmission of orders and such to flow between all active sites even if one or many were taking out, thus ensuring survivability of command and the ability to function with the "head cut off". It also involved the networking of many universites that worked with the military, as well. This original system was ARPA.

The Birth of the Internet. Yes, you can make a distinction between ARPA and the launch of what we know as the internet today, but the fact remains, it was a military endevor to begin with.

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RE: "THE Internet could soon be made obsolete." - 4/6/2008 11:27:21 AM

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From the dictionary:
a vast computer network linking smaller computer networks worldwide (usually prec. by the). The Internet includes commercial, educational, governmental, and other networks, all of which use the same set of communications protocols.

That was the original definition but today, the protocols (at the link layer) differ from medium to medium all carrying a common protocol at the transport layer. Beyond the transport layer, the protocols change again depending on the application, (SIP/MGCP/H.323 for voice vs HTTP for web traffic vs proprietary protocols from various vendors).

As the term "internet" was just a short form of "interconnected networks" then it really stands for any such group of connected networks. As such NeedsToUSeYou is correct. However, I believe Sanity is referring to changes in the way link and transport layers operate and as such is something technically different but towards the same purpose. In the end we will probably call it the internet as the term really has no technical meaning for us but a functional meaning instead.

To the techheads, IP (the higher layer protocol used to define what the internet is from a technical standpoint) has serious drawbacks in things like multi-casting data which tends to break as it crosses various routers. To those, something completely different would make it more feasible for streaming media where a single packet destined to 100 users would exist as a single packet until the end routers where it would be duplicated intelligently to reach the individual requesters. The type of technology would greatly increase the capabilities for delivering content.

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RE: "THE Internet could soon be made obsolete." - 4/6/2008 11:33:22 AM

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Coolness, I like the sound of that. When I was a kid, that's what they told us would happen by the year 2000. We would be able to read any book and watch any movie online in mere seconds. So it's about time. I am still waiting for my condo on the moon, my vacations to Mars, and my flying car.

Richard Branson, CEO of Virgin, is looking for people to go to Mars and live there. Just a thought. Of course it is a one-way flight. LOL

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RE: "THE Internet could soon be made obsolete." - 4/6/2008 4:01:37 PM

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I would like to see more of a merging of technologies. The cable is hooked to the TV already. With a small hand held device like some of the new pull out keyboards on cell phones why do we need a computer? The TV could be made with a memory storage device inside to download onto.

The phones...egads do we need all this on a phone? Pictures, music, surfing the web...well sure if you are away from home I guess.

Just think how much space we could save in our homes without extra screens, a desk, etc.

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RE: "THE Internet could soon be made obsolete." - 4/6/2008 5:56:59 PM

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but it wont hit the home clientel for atleast 10 years. 10mb cable is the standard now and will be for some time because it is cheap for companies and easily made money because of monopoly. here in toronto you got 2 major companies...rogers which is in usa called comcast and you have cogeco.

bell offers dsl. dsl is not nearly as fast as cable (around here) and is shit connections and gets disconnected OFTEN. cable on 24-7/365 only in severe ice storms and wind storms it get disconnected.

the faster speeds are not affordable to a normal household. and it costs a fucking TON of cash for companies to replace the fiber.

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RE: "THE Internet could soon be made obsolete." - 4/6/2008 6:23:48 PM

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Nice start. I'm more interested in seeing direct nueral to computer connections however, and effective interfaces for those.

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RE: "THE Internet could soon be made obsolete." - 4/6/2008 6:26:41 PM

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Nice start. I'm more interested in seeing direct nueral to computer connections however, and effective interfaces for those.

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too much of matrix watching eh?

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RE: "THE Internet could soon be made obsolete." - 4/6/2008 6:39:26 PM

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Never seen it.

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RE: "THE Internet could soon be made obsolete." - 4/6/2008 6:46:37 PM

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All that new technology, and it will still be mainly used to watch porn.

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RE: "THE Internet could soon be made obsolete." - 4/6/2008 6:46:40 PM

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Really, is it impossible? I've heard of technology that's being developed that's not far off that mark already. Brainwave readers, tracking the intentions of people in crowds, looking for criminal-minded individuals, and other things. Why wouldn't computer developers continue to make substantial progress in that direction?

God only knows what certain governments already have...

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RE: "THE Internet could soon be made obsolete." - 4/6/2008 6:53:46 PM

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There is a place in myself where I could see mind in a steel body. Analytical......long lasting, tireless.....powerful.

But could passion live in such a body? Would the transition destroy the soul? Only time will tell.

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